NIGHTBLADES--Magicka or Stamina?

Mhylton44142

I'm looking to play the role of a powerful assassin, striking from the shadows-doing a decent-good amount of DPS in both PvE and PvP. Currently, set up as a DW redguard (for stamina based DPS) and will go with Bow for second weapon; but also thought about rolling with a Breton or Altmer Nighblade to focus on Magicka DPS. In group content, looking to fill the role of DPS (not tank or healer). Does anyone have any thoughts?

Jeckll

In PvP, you can play both with great success.
For a DPS only focused build in PvE, you should use a Stamina Build. Magicka does decent damage with great healing support, but raw damage favors Stamina builds in PvE.

chevalierknight

Breten magic nightblade is strong in and out stealth stam is weak out stealth

Jeckll

chevalierknight wrote: »

stam is weak out stealth

no.

Sykis

I have played both. With the mechanics of the Magic NB, survivability seems better and damage is more sustained. Stam builds tend to be faster in terms of killing with huge crit bursts but survivability seems a little less. I like both for different reasons. If you want to use more of your class abilities then magic seems to be better as stam builds favor to weapon skills for their respective skill lines. Either way I would experiment with both to see what you like. If your unsure about stat allocation, there are many different guilds online through websites and YouTube that can help guild your path.

WyldfireWyrm

chevalierknight wrote: »

Breten magic nightblade is strong in and out stealth stam is weak out stealth

This is incorrect. Stamina NBs have better DPS potential than magicka NBs. Magicka is great for perma-stealth in PVP, but stamina still beats it in DPS. For PVE, magicka NBs have okay DPS, but stamina still beats it. PVE magicka NBs are better IMO because they can put out decent damage and do some good off-healing.

chevalierknight

WyldfireWyrm wrote: »

chevalierknight wrote: »

Breten magic nightblade is strong in and out stealth stam is weak out stealth

This is incorrect. Stamina NBs have better DPS potential than magicka NBs. Magicka is great for perma-stealth in PVP, but stamina still beats it in DPS. For PVE, magicka NBs have okay DPS, but stamina still beats it. PVE magicka NBs are better IMO because they can put out decent damage and do some good off-healing.

I didnt mean for dps i meant stronger as staying alive and as stam blades only have rally i think im right

WyldfireWyrm

chevalierknight wrote: »

WyldfireWyrm wrote: »

chevalierknight wrote: »

Breten magic nightblade is strong in and out stealth stam is weak out stealth

This is incorrect. Stamina NBs have better DPS potential than magicka NBs. Magicka is great for perma-stealth in PVP, but stamina still beats it in DPS. For PVE, magicka NBs have okay DPS, but stamina still beats it. PVE magicka NBs are better IMO because they can put out decent damage and do some good off-healing.

I didnt mean for dps i meant stronger as staying alive and as stam blades only have rally i think im right

If you meant from a survivability standpoint, you should have said that.

I would agree with you from an escape mechanics standpoint, but I don't think survivability is much different between the two resources. Magicka might take the edge once the perma-dodge roll fix is applied.

chevalierknight

WyldfireWyrm wrote: »

chevalierknight wrote: »

WyldfireWyrm wrote: »

chevalierknight wrote: »

Breten magic nightblade is strong in and out stealth stam is weak out stealth

This is incorrect. Stamina NBs have better DPS potential than magicka NBs. Magicka is great for perma-stealth in PVP, but stamina still beats it in DPS. For PVE, magicka NBs have okay DPS, but stamina still beats it. PVE magicka NBs are better IMO because they can put out decent damage and do some good off-healing.

I didnt mean for dps i meant stronger as staying alive and as stam blades only have rally i think im right

If you meant from a survivability standpoint, you should have said that.

I would agree with you from an escape mechanics standpoint, but I don't think survivability is much different between the two resources. Magicka might take the edge once the perma-dodge roll fix is applied.

Way more spell resist off heals highest damage a nightblade can do with magic det 22k at low end more if you build for it not seeing why i would play stam yeh high burst but thats about it

Xvorg

Should an hybrid be possible someday?

chevalierknight

Xvorg wrote: »

Should an hybrid be possible someday?

Never in less they bring caps back so never

PBpsy

Mhylton44142 wrote: »

I'm looking to play the role of a powerful assassin, striking from the shadows-doing a decent-good amount of DPS in both PvE and PvP. Currently, set up as a DW redguard (for stamina based DPS) and will go with Bow for second weapon; but also thought about rolling with a Breton or Altmer Nighblade to focus on Magicka DPS. In group content, looking to fill the role of DPS (not tank or healer). Does anyone have any thoughts?

In group content there is no place for that. You need to do direct sustained dps none of that shadow assassin BS.

For Nightblade Stam DPS is the best at the moment with good gear, The magicka NB is not in a good place at all at the moment for PVE dps even though it is capable of doing most content .and pull decent numbers with some pretty involved builds and rotation.

Also before anybody brings it up. No, worthless off heal, over healing is not utility it is mostly just BS.

Vastorus91

I run a Two hand and DW combo. Two hand being my Buff bar and DW being my primary, I use Flawless Dawnbreaker for my main bar to the 8% Damage buff. So, Rally and Relentless give me 25% more damage with heals and Flawless stacks 8% more onto that for a total of 33% more damage. I weave with Surprise attack and light attacks. Secondly, I keep meteor on my buff bar as my main ultimate attack which has excellent instant and follow up DoT. Combine that with the DW DoT and you can sustain decent leveling DPS. Once you get enough points CP than you can ditch the Two and replace it with a bow and stack crazy DoT's with Metoer and spam Surprise attack.

It's a a lot, and very different for some people... So, I went with many suggestions and built it into my own. Hope this helps!

WyldfireWyrm

PBpsy wrote: »

Mhylton44142 wrote: »

I'm looking to play the role of a powerful assassin, striking from the shadows-doing a decent-good amount of DPS in both PvE and PvP. Currently, set up as a DW redguard (for stamina based DPS) and will go with Bow for second weapon; but also thought about rolling with a Breton or Altmer Nighblade to focus on Magicka DPS. In group content, looking to fill the role of DPS (not tank or healer). Does anyone have any thoughts?

In group content there is no place for that. You need to do direct sustained dps none of that shadow assassin BS.

For Nightblade Stam DPS is the best at the moment with good gear, The magicka NB is not in a good place at all at the moment for PVE dps even though it is capable of doing most content .and pull decent numbers with some pretty involved builds and rotation.

Also before anybody brings it up. No, worthless off heal, over healing is not utility it is mostly just BS.

I personally don't feel like magicka nightblades are as bad off as you make it sound. I agree stamina nightblades are in a better place, but I've experienced magicka nightblade off healing when I was the main Templar healer. During low DPS encounters it allowed me to focus on just burst healing and a little DPS, which made the run feel much smoother. I'm not sure snout veteran content though.

PBpsy

WyldfireWyrm wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

Mhylton44142 wrote: »

I'm looking to play the role of a powerful assassin, striking from the shadows-doing a decent-good amount of DPS in both PvE and PvP. Currently, set up as a DW redguard (for stamina based DPS) and will go with Bow for second weapon; but also thought about rolling with a Breton or Altmer Nighblade to focus on Magicka DPS. In group content, looking to fill the role of DPS (not tank or healer). Does anyone have any thoughts?

In group content there is no place for that. You need to do direct sustained dps none of that shadow assassin BS.

For Nightblade Stam DPS is the best at the moment with good gear, The magicka NB is not in a good place at all at the moment for PVE dps even though it is capable of doing most content .and pull decent numbers with some pretty involved builds and rotation.

Also before anybody brings it up. No, worthless off heal, over healing is not utility it is mostly just BS.

I personally don't feel like magicka nightblades are as bad off as you make it sound. I agree stamina nightblades are in a better place, but I've experienced magicka nightblade off healing when I was the main Templar healer. During low DPS encounters it allowed me to focus on just burst healing and a little DPS, which made the run feel much smoother. I'm not sure snout veteran content though.

I would have agreed some time ago but then I have experienced the VR14 Templar magicka DPS. Similar damage which is not stellar but good and much simpler to pull off.It however makes my NB look pathetic in terms of utility. I passively increase spell damage to the group 100% of the time, i provide shards constantly and I can go in a BOL frenzy if stuff turns bad. or the healer fell asleep. That is utility, a fairly inconsequential HOT and a small crit group buff doesn't even compare.. The templar is also quite a bit resilient compared to a LA NB. You should see how much smoother that feels.

The NB utility was crippled in 1.6+ . Using Veil now means even larger drop in dps and using Ring of Preservation is out of the question.

ahampelb14_ESO

what about a PVE tank NB? I don't care if I'm not 100% maxing my PVP but I want to get the best out of tanking PVE when I group with my friends

GreenSoup2HoT

Vastorus91 wrote: »

I run a Two hand and DW combo. Two hand being my Buff bar and DW being my primary, I use Flawless Dawnbreaker for my main bar to the 8% Damage buff. So, Rally and Relentless give me 25% more damage with heals and Flawless stacks 8% more onto that for a total of 33% more damage. I weave with Surprise attack and light attacks. Secondly, I keep meteor on my buff bar as my main ultimate attack which has excellent instant and follow up DoT. Combine that with the DW DoT and you can sustain decent leveling DPS. Once you get enough points CP than you can ditch the Two and replace it with a bow and stack crazy DoT's with Metoer and spam Surprise attack.

It's a a lot, and very different for some people... So, I went with many suggestions and built it into my own. Hope this helps!

Literally waiting for the Vigor change so i can do this. I hate using rally. Vigor is all i will ever need.

Not sure if i will go DW/DW or DW/Bow. (stamina nb)

My build (Once IC hit's)
bar 1: dark cloak, Vigor, killer's blade, surprise attack, ambush, soul harvest
bar 2: relentless focus, piercing mark, double take, steel tornado, flying blade, clouding swarm.

If i used a bow. (Once IC hit's)
bar 1: Dark cloak,Steel Tornado, killer's blade, surprise attack, ambush, soul harvest
bar 2: relentless focus, piercing mark, double take, poison injection or snipe , vigor, clouding swarm.

Hopefully their is more skill change's that completely change what i run.