Stamina or Magicka nightblade?

Cathexis

Rerolling a new character, wondering which is better... Stam or mag nb?

I've been thinking magicka for cloak spam.

Septimus_Magna

Stamina builds are getting nerfed with the block and dodge-roll changes.
Cloak is getting buffed/fixed and will have very few drawbacks.

I think magicka NBs will be pretty strong, race choice would be: Altmer, Breton or Bosmer.
Personally I chose Bosmer for the 21% stam regen and stealth damage buff.
It might not be the best race for magicka builds but I like the stamina regen and stealth dmg bonus is nice with Cloak and Concealed Weapon (and Prox Deto later on).

Xael

Cathexis wrote: »

Rerolling a new character, wondering which is better... Stam or mag nb?

I've been thinking magicka for cloak spam.

Both are fine, both will be good after the patch. Think longterm and take the middle road as far as races go so you can switch seamlessly between both playstyles. Also wait for the patch notes to see the racial changes. I have a feeling they didn't mention all the race changes they are doing.

LegionGemini

So is bosmer viable for both? Or is there a better race that can be used for both?

Xael

LegionGemini wrote: »

So is bosmer viable for both? Or is there a better race that can be used for both?

Bosmer is good for the sneak attack bonus and the stamina regen.
Imperial is good for the overall stats.
Personally I would wait until they post the PTS patch notes this week and you can see the new racial changes. That would be the best thing to do if racials matter to you.

Olen_Mikko

They have their pros and cons.

Play style and build is crucial when rating which one is better, magicka or stamina.

I have both and if i want to kill someone quickly and only take down 1 at a time, i have khajiit stam-nb build solely on crit-burst attacks from stealth. I can't handle against many, because i lack survivability, even thou i do much damage.

When i want to survive little better and be able to run away, i have breton magicka-nb, with big mana pool, so i can spam cloak, some spell resistant buffs and buff my speed to get away if necessary. I don't do much damage to single target, but i can handle 1 vs. 3-4 players and maybe even kill a few, since i have mana pool to cast some healing.

So, i usually play with magicka, since i can enjoy it a little better and solo kill better. If i want to run in protection of zergs, i choose stam nb and pick out the weakest.

revonine

I played both and I LOVE magicka nightblade. Forgot to put caltrops infront of that breach? I'll stealth upstairs and take out siege weapon users one by one. Add destructive touch with an inferno staff to blow people off keep ledges for serious fun.
For PvE you won't do as much damage as a stamina user but you'll have more survivability if you add a restro staff.

Ezareth

My build has been butchering magicka nightblades pretty easily but I guess it depends on your playstyle. Want to play from the shadows the whole time you PvP you'll want magicka. Want a powerful and versatile fighter, try stamina.

I agree, wait to see the racial changes before choosing.

GreenSoup2HoT

As a stamina nb, I can just throw piercing mark on you if your a magicka nb. If you purge it ill keep putting it on. I use steel tornado as well. So it would be hard for you to cloak around me.

Just something to look out for against Stamina Nb's.

However they do look fun as all hell. You can run into Zerg's by accident and cloak none stop and get hidden. It look's really fun.

I would switch over but i would miss Steel Tornado and Ambush. I'm sort of hybrid because i stack more magicka regen to cloak/fear more often. To one their own.

Don't forget, stamina nb's get vigor ic patch.

I'm an imperial so i can make the switch. Depend's really how the new set's come into play. Were gonna find out the new meta tomorrow xD

TheBull

I play both. Sunshine my redguard Stam NB is awesome in so many ways. From two shotting anyone and never being seen to tanking up and being damn near unkillable. She's very versatile.

My new (2 1/2 weeks) magicks High Elf NB Early Bright is amazing. All day long I here the karate kid song playing in my head. She destroys stam NBs. They don't have a chance in hell. She's able to support with bubbles and heals and burst.

Imo you can't go wrong either way OP. NBs are the most versatile class when it comes to play styles. Even if you picked a stam race you can make a great magicka NB and vice versa.

NBs have a high skill cap though. There is a large gap between good ones and bad ones. It will take you time to get good either way you go.

Ezareth

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

As a stamina nb, I can just throw piercing mark on you if your a magicka nb. If you purge it ill keep putting it on. I use steel tornado as well. So it would be hard for you to cloak around me.

Just something to look out for against Stamina Nb's.

However they do look fun as all hell. You can run into Zerg's by accident and cloak none stop and get hidden. It look's really fun.

I would switch over but i would miss Steel Tornado and Ambush. I'm sort of hybrid because i use the undaunted medium set so i myself can cloak/fear more often. To one their own.

Don't forget, stamina nb's get vigor ic patch.

I'm an imperial so i can make the switch. Depend's really how the new set's come into play. Were gonna find out the new meta tomorrow xD

Steel tornado is going to be useless against a good magicka nightblade and it leaves you vulnerable while using it against them, plus concealed weapon goes through dodge roll so any decent magicka NB will eat a stam NB running dual wield alive.

Now Sword and board on a stamina build versus a magicka NB is another story altogether ( =

LegionGemini

After having read the patch notes which do people think is stronger now? Momentum gets a cost increase and flying blade gets a slight damage nerf on top of the changes to dodge rolling. But I also didn't read anything about detect potions either so maybe magicka NB won't be as strong as people think, because it looks like magicka det has gotten a nerf too. But it feels as if the changes to the cyrodil buff mean that NB loses a lot of burst overall.

TheBull

Ezareth wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

As a stamina nb, I can just throw piercing mark on you if your a magicka nb. If you purge it ill keep putting it on. I use steel tornado as well. So it would be hard for you to cloak around me.

Just something to look out for against Stamina Nb's.

However they do look fun as all hell. You can run into Zerg's by accident and cloak none stop and get hidden. It look's really fun.

I would switch over but i would miss Steel Tornado and Ambush. I'm sort of hybrid because i use the undaunted medium set so i myself can cloak/fear more often. To one their own.

Don't forget, stamina nb's get vigor ic patch.

I'm an imperial so i can make the switch. Depend's really how the new set's come into play. Were gonna find out the new meta tomorrow xD

Steel tornado is going to be useless against a good magicka nightblade and it leaves you vulnerable while using it against them, plus concealed weapon goes through dodge roll so any decent magicka NB will eat a stam NB running dual wield alive.

Now Sword and board on a stamina build versus a magicka NB is another story altogether ( =

Look at you. Finally we agree on something. Looks like you are learning NB pretty well.

TheBull

LegionGemini wrote: »

After having read the patch notes which do people think is stronger now? Momentum gets a cost increase and flying blade gets a slight damage nerf on top of the changes to dodge rolling. But I also didn't read anything about detect potions either so maybe magicka NB won't be as strong as people think, because it looks like magicka det has gotten a nerf too. But it feels as if the changes to the cyrodil buff mean that NB loses a lot of burst overall.

I think stam NBs got hit pretty hard honestly. From mobility to dodge to regen to burst. At the same time being able to dodge concealed weapon from magicka NBs is a huge nerf.

Shilling

Khajiiti Nightblade kill everything - stamina
Breton Nightblade hide in shadows and run away - magicka
I'm currently testing a magicka build I made just to use proximity detonation for its beast DPS
proxy detonate myself, teleport strike then spam soul swallow and they just die from proxy, if not call in a ice storm

My last stamina NightBlade seemed to be based off:
Grim focus myself, snipe them a few times then stealth and ambush in then spam ambush and surprise attack and they die

What I've found, magicka are more survivable and are more AOE
Stamina kill more quickly but miss out on the cloak spam

13igTyme

I was thinking about making a Dunmer Vamp magicka NB. 9% magicka, 3% stam, Magicka and stam regen, Fire regen resist, Sneak bonuses, and toughness bonuses.

Any one have any thoughts on this?

Sharmony

Having played both, stamina is by far the more enjoyable in PvE but Magicka with invisibility is just going to be absurdly fun in Imperial City, regardless of how amazing or not it turns out to be in-line with other classes.

Sharmony

13igTyme wrote: »

I was thinking about making a Dunmer Vamp magicka NB. 9% magicka, 3% stam, Magicka and stam regen, Fire regen resist, Sneak bonuses, and toughness bonuses.

Any one have any thoughts on this?

Better off with a High Elf, will serve you better than a Dunmer.

FlounderOG

I have a nord health regen nightblade tank. Its the most obsurd build ever, but it works.

jarrandub17_ESO

What's the opinion now that IC has been out a bit?

Soulac

Both good.

Reeko

Stamina has burst, magicka has sustain. Choose your poison.

kadar

Soulac wrote: »

Both good.

^

If there were more hours in the day, I'd have both.

JDar

Yeah they're both good, I think it's pretty well balanced now

ChefZero

Reeko wrote: »

Stamina has burst, magicka has sustain. Choose your poison.

JDar wrote: »

Yeah they're both good, I think it's pretty well balanced now

Not completely right atm. Stamblade got better burst and with s&b and 2h build they got also better survivability than magickablade .

Alucardo

Both are really good. My Magicka NB has a bit more survivability, but with the burst damage of my stam it doesn't matter too much, unless I'm greatly outnumbered.
Thinking about dropping 2h/bow for 2h/s+b and see how that plays out. Would definitely help against one of my main weaknesses at the moment: projectiles. This should greatly even the survivability out between my two builds, while still retaining good burst damage of the stamblade. Poison Injection, how I shall miss you.

twistedmonk

Alucardo wrote: »

Both are really good. My Magicka NB has a bit more survivability, but with the burst damage of my stam it doesn't matter too much, unless I'm greatly outnumbered.
Thinking about dropping 2h/bow for 2h/s+b and see how that plays out. Would definitely help against one of my main weaknesses at the moment: projectiles. This should greatly even the survivability out between my two builds, while still retaining good burst damage of the stamblade. Poison Injection, how I shall miss you.

if you have enough CPs, you can wear heavy armor, use 1h/shield + 2hander and wreck face. you'll still have the stamina regen of medium armor and magic regen of light armor from the CP skills but have the protection/hps/blocking bonuses from wearing heavy armor. win/win

with the 300 CP cap apparently going in..this is less viable I suppose. unless they grandfather you in so you can

13igTyme

twistedmonk wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Both are really good. My Magicka NB has a bit more survivability, but with the burst damage of my stam it doesn't matter too much, unless I'm greatly outnumbered.
Thinking about dropping 2h/bow for 2h/s+b and see how that plays out. Would definitely help against one of my main weaknesses at the moment: projectiles. This should greatly even the survivability out between my two builds, while still retaining good burst damage of the stamblade. Poison Injection, how I shall miss you.

if you have enough CPs, you can wear heavy armor, use 1h/shield + 2hander and wreck face. you'll still have the stamina regen of medium armor and magic regen of light armor from the CP skills but have the protection/hps/blocking bonuses from wearing heavy armor. win/win

with the 300 CP cap apparently going in..this is less viable I suppose. unless they grandfather you in so you can

Grandfathering people in would make the problem worse, as people soul never be able to catch up.

xylena

stamblade is easier to learn and has the best pvp damage capability of any class/build, surprise attack is outright OP spammable direct dps, you can always roll several times out of attack range before cloaking without worrying about stamina... but you might get bored of the roll/cloak/heal ambush/SA/spam faceroll like i did

magblade has a ton of utility and unique abilities that make it super fun, but the damage is gimped in pvp from things like hardy CP and annulment, and without the stamina to block or roll very much it's much harder to get out of aoe/cc range and into cloak range than you would think...

Lokov

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Stamina builds are getting nerfed with the block and dodge-roll changes.
Cloak is getting buffed/fixed and will have very few drawbacks.

I think magicka NBs will be pretty strong, race choice would be: Altmer, Breton or Bosmer.
Personally I chose Bosmer for the 21% stam regen and stealth damage buff.
It might not be the best race for magicka builds but I like the stamina regen and stealth dmg bonus is nice with Cloak and Concealed Weapon (and Prox Deto later on).

stamina builds, especially NP is freaking OP cuz of cheating animation canceling and macros. PvP now is killed by "oneshot" guys.

revonine

Lokov wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Stamina builds are getting nerfed with the block and dodge-roll changes.
Cloak is getting buffed/fixed and will have very few drawbacks.

I think magicka NBs will be pretty strong, race choice would be: Altmer, Breton or Bosmer.
Personally I chose Bosmer for the 21% stam regen and stealth damage buff.
It might not be the best race for magicka builds but I like the stamina regen and stealth dmg bonus is nice with Cloak and Concealed Weapon (and Prox Deto later on).

stamina builds, especially NP is freaking OP cuz of cheating animation canceling and macros. PvP now is killed by "oneshot" guys.

Animation cancelling is not cheating I think this and I don't even have a stamblade.