Templar Best Class Overall?

Metal10957

Since the patch, seems they are doing well. Not tops on DPS, but still they can do anything.

Enemy-of-Coldharbour

I just rolled a Templar and am having a blast so far.

Sallington

I played a Templar all through beta, made one at launch, and it has been my main since. The versatility of the Templar class makes it for me. And with well over 200 skill points, I can have 3 or so full specs ready to go. All I need to do is change out my gear and skill bars.

SahrotRein

This is when Templar mains finally feel like Templars are starting to be viable and are excited about it.
This is also when DK mains laugh at them cuz DK has always been viable if not the best class at some point.
Sorry guys I just feel like I had to, blame me, hate me

technohic

I really like my Templar. That said, they are good at a bunch of different things, but not great except for healing.

There are a lot of things that are annoying about the class that kind of ruins it a little bit, like the best melee attack also gives out free CC immunity and is channeled. A lot of things are channeled. Projectile speeds are slow so therefor easily dodgeable and your shield is rather weak compared to one in particular. Our best heal has a weird delay in it. One of our AOEs is weak and its buff does not seem to affect other AOEs and another is grond target, which can be useful but easily aviodable and we lack a decent AOE crowd control or any root. (One AOE has CC but the CC is single target). We have an ability called exclipse that would be really cool except it doesn't work at all if your target got CC immunity from one of the many things you use that passes it out like candy.

That said; I do love my heals and we might have the best execute in the game when you consider range.

All in all, it could use some fixing but you can make it do really well in PvP if you really work at it. In PvE I think it might be considered about the best class as NPCs do not typically dodge out of your stuff or purge your DOTs. I'm just glad I haven't been stuck in my spear charge animation for quite some time.

Tolmos

Personally I think my nightblade is better but maybe that's just me >_>

lathbury

Tolmos wrote: »

Personally I think my nightblade is better but maybe that's just me >_>

yeah I have 2 nb's and your wrong a templar will out dps you at endgame and also make an easier healer to play .
tanking is probably evens.
Having said that dk's are probably still first choice for dps and tanks at endgame.

MCMancub

lathbury wrote: »

Tolmos wrote: »

Personally I think my nightblade is better but maybe that's just me >_>

yeah I have 2 nb's and your wrong a templar will out dps you at endgame and also make an easier healer to play .
tanking is probably evens.
Having said that dk's are probably still first choice for dps and tanks at endgame.

I've seen Stam NB's hit 23k DPS in single target fights in some trials. If there's a higher damage output build in the game, please, let me know.

Curtischoy

@technohic can you elaborate on the CC immunity? What do you mean? Which skills give enemies CC immunity? How do you know which skills give CC immunity?

I have noticed that sometimes I can knock down an enemy with the spear ability (not the AE one), use some skills to dps, and then the second time I use the spear ability it does not knock him down. Same thing goes for the ability in Bow that knocks enemies back. This is the first time I have heard of this and it seems pretty darn important.

asteldian

Templar is the most versatile class which makes it the most fun to play for me. But best? No, in PvP they are likely one of the weakest, for raw dps they are outmatched, for tanking its hard to judge but for trash they lack the CC a DK has. For healing they have the best 'oh crap' heal, but for overall hps the DK likely trumps them.

GNRNCSBLSS

Metal10957 wrote: »

Since the patch, seems they are doing well. Not tops on DPS, but still they can do anything.

Not exactly true... as of right now, the highest single target DPS belongs to the magicka DK, but for AoE DPS, the stamina templar far outperforms any other class/build, on top of that, the stamina templar is in fact top single target DPS if the fight lasts a bit longer than 40seconds. Not to mention that the overall survivability is pretty impressive.

Lord Xanhorn

Templar is great but all the classes are so close that the skill of the player is what matters. A great player playing X shows that X is the best class in the game. Its remarkable how well balanced things are at the moment.

But Templars to me are just the most fun to play. All Templars all the time!

Azurulia

I really enjoy my templar for healing, and would do so with tanking as well do to the fact they actually get some solid aoe over DK's from what I have seen from skills. However to really be a solid tank, I'd have to make a second templar just for that due to attribute points.

As for dps, I find I am enjoying the night blade the most. However when my healer temp decides to pew pew, she does a ton of damage.

GNRNCSBLSS

MCMancub wrote: »

lathbury wrote: »

Tolmos wrote: »

Personally I think my nightblade is better but maybe that's just me >_>

yeah I have 2 nb's and your wrong a templar will out dps you at endgame and also make an easier healer to play .
tanking is probably evens.
Having said that dk's are probably still first choice for dps and tanks at endgame.

I've seen Stam NB's hit 23k DPS in single target fights in some trials. If there's a higher damage output build in the game, please, let me know.

Stam NB's at best hit about 15-17k, that 23k DPS was just a lucky run and every experienced player knows that, not saying it isn't legit, just calling it for what it is.

For stam NB reference:
http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/nb-dual-wieldbow-pve-dps-build-1-6-6/

And as for builds that continuously dish out more damage than the stam NB:

Highest single target DPS:
http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/2-0pvp-one-shot-wonder-dk-build/

HIghest AoE DPS:
http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/jabsmania-templar-stamina-dd-build-for-update-1-6/

Check the sheet for the stamina templar and you'll see he managed to get 32k DPS, just a lucky run he admits.

technohic

Curtischoy wrote: »

@technohic can you elaborate on the CC immunity? What do you mean? Which skills give enemies CC immunity? How do you know which skills give CC immunity?

I have noticed that sometimes I can knock down an enemy with the spear ability (not the AE one), use some skills to dps, and then the second time I use the spear ability it does not knock him down. Same thing goes for the ability in Bow that knocks enemies back. This is the first time I have heard of this and it seems pretty darn important.

@Curtischoy

CC immunity (crowd control immunity) means whatever has it, is immune to Knock backs, knock downs, stuns, pulls, and eclipse which is none of those things and why I gripe about it hurting eclipse. Pretty much any ability you use that has that sort of affect, will cause the target you used it on to be immune for a few seconds.

When I talk about Templars passing it out like candy; I am referring to the affect they cause on the target being much shorter than the immunity it grants.

Puncturing strikes and its morphs is the most notorious one because it does a knock back on it that lasts half a second, but then grants several seconds of immunity. They had to add that because before, you could keep repetitively knocking someone back so they could do little to get away. The problem is, they should have just gotten rid of the knock back all together. Suggestions of a snare or root have been made, but most Templars would be OK with it just being a damage ability to get rid of just giving and instant CC immunity.

Another one is the magicka versions of Piercing javelin. it just does a KB but the target immediately recovers yet again has several seconds of immunity. The stamina version however; is much better as it at least knocks them down for 3 seconds.

Blazing spear, the morph of spear shards that stuns in stead of disorients, stuns in order to do damage to the target. Problem with that is, it hurts its ability to be a damage spammer, as to keep someone in PvP actually in it, you need the stun, but the stun grants immunity so they just can walk out of it otherwise. its still great in PvE because NPCs typically don't move out of it, (save for bugged ranged NPCs if you are too close who can move while stunned by it) And in PvP, even though it is not perfect, it still has its uses as you will have opportunities where people do not have anywhere to go. It is not very strong nor useles, it just could be better. This also is a candidate for an AOE snare/root which could help from DPS to Templar Tanks but I will admit it is not awful.

And to rail on eclipse here being affected again. I love the ability but there is a huge problem. You cast it on a target once, they can still move around and heal themselves, use defensive abilities or AOE abilities and melee attacks, just not single target projectile spells (magicka based) as that will be reflected back on whoever is affected , yet it counts as a crowd control meaning that you cannot use it again at all on them until that few seconds of CC immunity wears off, or if you or anyone else had used some CC ability on them, or if they happen to be running a CC defense. I understand WHY they do this as they do not want us to be able to just keep casting it on someone repetetively. It would be an "I win button." I think the answer here would be to make it have a recourse timer to where we cannot cast it again for a few seconds in stead rather than depend on CC immunity status. This is a powerful ability on mage NPCs as they will kill themselves. In player vs player, it is obvious when the bubble is on you so it is more of a deterrent. It has been known to cause a lot of different bugs that I am not sure how many have been fixed; like dragon knights getting a speed boost when using a certain ability while under its affect. Sometimes, you as the templar get locked out of all your skills while your target channels a spell.

Didn't want to type it all out but that is a part of the issues. Other ones would be Breath of life; our infamous big heal morph of rushed ceremony, has been called lethargic ceremony as there is a delay from cast to when the heal actually lands. It has also been reported that friendly players can dodge the heal if they happen to be dodging at the time.

Hope this helps.


EDIT: Since I felt like I just scratched the surface and there are other opinions and issues; some presented a lot more emotional than others; I felt I should link the below thread. If you want a LOT of reading; this is almost like a historical record of all the Templar issues

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/161959/templar-skills-bugged-made-useless-ignored/p1

bertenburnyb16_ESO

templar was always good for healing or tanking, thats what I used mine for, solo content they were always just fine (but well sole pve content is walk-in-the-park-easy-mode) now atleast I can hold my own better in a 1v1, but not really planning to use it him for top notch dps

Curtischoy

@technohic Wow, thanks for the great response. I'll be reading that link.

Skwor

NO, PVP weakest class by far.

PVE average, maybe the best jack of all trades but absolutely not the best balanced.

As far as healing, not even the best healing as DKs can out heal in many cases.

So the class does not even perform the best in it's signature skill, pretty lame actually.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

On a purely mathematical stand point we Templars probably are the weakest ... however ... potentially a Templar in the right hands could be the biggest weapon of all. My current set up is 40 health/ 10 magic, all heavy armor and duel staves. I use breath of life as my always heal (most people don't) and practiced incantation as my "oh crap" heal. Very few people even use it. I use the triple fire ball often because of the 1580 crit bonus then follow it up with radiant oppression for potentially 20k+ damage. Is it the most DPS, no. Is it close enough, darn right.

I use the same set up in PVE and PVP. I should be going over 1000 career PVP kills today.

asteldian

Azurulia wrote: »

I really enjoy my templar for healing, and would do so with tanking as well do to the fact they actually get some solid aoe over DK's from what I have seen from skills. However to really be a solid tank, I'd have to make a second templar just for that due to attribute points.

As for dps, I find I am enjoying the night blade the most. However when my healer temp decides to pew pew, she does a ton of damage.

No need to roll a new Temp. Magicka Templar tanks are rock solid and I think better than stamina tanks simply because if you go stamina tank you just feel like a poor man's DK. I have 37 magicka/25 health but could easily put more in magicka if I wanted and still be at 30k health (and I am Redguard so no health passives). In fact when going all out health style tank for blazing shield, despite the magicka heavy attribute split I sit at 37k health without PvP buffs. So even all points in magicka could leave me enough health.

Tan9oSuccka

Is this PVE only?

I do alright in PVE as a Templar, but is vastly underpowered in PVP.

Reznique

PVP oriented Khajiit stamina (stealth) Templar works great!
(Why Khajiit? YOLO)

GNRNCSBLSS

Skwor wrote: »

NO, PVP weakest class by far.

PVE average, maybe the best jack of all trades but absolutely not the best balanced.

As far as healing, not even the best healing as DKs can out heal in many cases.

So the class does not even perform the best in it's signature skill, pretty lame actually.

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/jabsmania-templar-stamina-dd-build-for-update-1-6/

^^^^^

To you, and many others, Stamina Templar is currently the highest AoE DPS class in the game. For single target DPS, magicka dk does better, but if the fight lasts longer than 40 seconds, stamina templar wins again... Please know what youre saying before you say it lol

lathbury

MCMancub wrote: »

lathbury wrote: »

Tolmos wrote: »

Personally I think my nightblade is better but maybe that's just me >_>

yeah I have 2 nb's and your wrong a templar will out dps you at endgame and also make an easier healer to play .
tanking is probably evens.
Having said that dk's are probably still first choice for dps and tanks at endgame.

I've seen Stam NB's hit 23k DPS in single target fights in some trials. If there's a higher damage output build in the game, please, let me know.

alcasts jabs mania build will out dps any stam build you care to bring i have hit 79k dps on my nb but silly bursts dont count manticora serpent mage or warrior parses are what matter.