Arcane Requiem vs Dragonknight Emperor

Germtrocity

I was able to set up another duel with an emperor and managed to get in two fights before he had to go. I had a lot of fun recording and getting these fights.
I can't wait to get more of these fights in, I really do enjoy fighting Emperors / Empresses

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE_KTBkcGtI&feature=youtu.be

I hope you enjoyed watching, I definitely enjoyed making this and like I said before, I look forward to more fights like these!

inb4nerfsorc

P.S. I apologize if the music is loud, I had to turn it up higher to drown out background noise from the shenanigans going on in teamspeak.

aco5712

inb4 nerf shields
inb4 nerf NBs
inb4 nerf burst damage
inb4 MOD interference
inb4 bans
inb4 everyone else

nice vid pug

Swannkyy

Nice fights

Kloud

I think I put up as good of a fight as some of these emperors do vs you xD

Ezareth

It's been so long since I've faced an Emperor worthy of the name I almost forget what that is like. A shame you can't fight your own faction or I'd suggest heading to Chillrend for another easy win.

Nice Vid German.

Juraigr

the shield stack is over the top bring back 1.5 pls

EskimoBrother

Good *** bro

Ezareth

Juraigr wrote: »

the shield stack is over the top bring back 1.5 pls

Not the shield stack, just a poorly played DK and perfect play by German as usual.

You only have to look at his resources the entire time while fighting to understand the problem. He didn't even need to use a tri-pot which would have boosted his regen another 20%. 1/3rd of being Emp is the 70% increased resource regen yet in a 1 v 1 scenario and the right setup and CP it's *impossible* to run out of stam and mana as shown by german. He can literally spam his abilities every GCD without having to worry about resources and he doesn't need to block, only break free so on that front fighting an Emp doesn't matter.

Both times the emp died because he stopped blocking the damage and German is razor sharp on light attack/crushing shock weaving which will run anyone out of stamina including an emp unless he is built for it. Daedric curse, Crushing Shock, Mage's wrath explosion, Daedric Mines, Flawless dawnbreaker are all blockable and as a DK should be blocked.

The damage the DK did was very steady and predictable with no burst whatsoever. He never followed up CC with any sort of burst and german was never in any danger. Bat's is just a terrible ultimate for 1 v 1s.

Let me explain the issue in mathematical terms for you.

You can only execute a single ability every second. Let's say being Emperor increases your damage by 50% (in reality it is only closer to 15-20%). If your primary damage ability doesn't exceed the healing or shielding done by your opponent it doesn't matter if you're emp or not unless you can run them out of resources you're not going to kill them unless they make a mistake.

The build German uses can time several abilities to hit all at once and he's very good at lining those up. Velocious Curse, mages wrath and flawless dawnbreaker can all be time to hit at the exact same time which you'll notice is his killing combination in almost any of his fight. It's extremely bursty and if you don't block it when he lands it (especially if you're a vamp!) then you're most likely dead if he crits. He'll often line up a streak with the timing as well to CC you so you can't block the killing combo.

Just a flawless build and play on Germans part and the sort of mindless thoughtless keymashing that 1.6 has encouraged on the part of the DK.

Germtrocity

@Ezareth thanks for explaining how it happened, I definitely don't have the patience to do so and I would just as soon tell people who don't understand what is going on that it is just magic.
Also, you are too kind

Makkir

awesome vid german
You are pretty much the nicest most hated sorc in Cyrodiil....just watch DC zone chat

Waylander

Made that look a bit too easy German.

That emp seems like an alright guy, ran into him (and 3 or 4 others) a few times the other day ganking our supply line whilst we engaged EP.

Was wondering why his whip was hitting my vamp for 10k+ until someone pointed out he was the emp.

Burnworthy

GF's German.

Not going to come in here and make excuses. I think Ezareth is right on all points he brought up. And I do appreciate all the duel requests lately. I've learned quite a few things.

And Waylander, yesterday I was hitting people for 15k whips. I could only guess they're vamps w/o nirn?

Waylander

Burnworthy wrote: »

And Waylander, yesterday I was hitting people for 15k whips. I could only guess they're vamps w/o nirn?

Yeah my nb is a vamp and I don't wear nirn on anything but my dk tank (who only has 1 piece of nirn armour and a nirn weapon) because nirn is broken.

Nothing worse than being on a magica character and doing 50% of tooltip.

Ezareth

Burnworthy wrote: »

GF's German.

Not going to come in here and make excuses. I think Ezareth is right on all points he brought up. And I do appreciate all the duel requests lately. I've learned quite a few things.

And Waylander, yesterday I was hitting people for 15k whips. I could only guess they're vamps w/o nirn?

That's the right attitude man. Sorry my critique was a bit harsh. The day you stop admitting mistakes is the day you stop getting better as you learn the most from understanding your failures.

Maulkin

Tbf to Jurra he has a point. Although he's also a bit bitter cause his DK is dying a slow death (even more so in 1.7) and he now has to roam the land of Cyrodiil as Jurra Hex, a Sorcerer

It's not just the infinite resources. It's that infinite resources are so easy to achieve you can also add other aspects to your build.

You don't even need drinks or anything silly. With 2k regen and pots and Harness Magicka you never run out of magicka. On the same build I can have 35k magicka and 85 points in the Bastion passive. My shield stack is pushing 28k now. Against magicka builds, unless they create an enormous amount of burst they'll have a very hard time burning through that and killing me in a 1v1. Magicka DK (Emp or not) doesn't really have much burst and as such he'll have a hard time.

Now on the other hand when stamina builds can hit you with 40k damage combos from stealth, or when Magicka ProxyBlades can come out with Fear->Proxy->Soul Tether and hit you for the same....well that kinda burst creates an arms race. Big burst makes big shields necessary or you'll get one-shotted all over the place. But any class-build combo that lacks in the ability to create burst is severely disadvantaged in this world of 1.6. Especially so in duels.

Gizit

Remember when Sorc's dealt damage and did not tank anything?
or had to use blink instead of standing in the pain.

not to knock anyone's gameplay. by any means both of these players are far superior to myself.
but from when the fight started .10/sec to .33/sec shields were casts seven times in 23 seconds.

anything?

Rylana

Gizit wrote: »

Remember when Sorc's dealt damage and did not tank anything?
or had to use blink instead of standing in the pain.

not to knock anyone's gameplay. by any means both of these players are far superior to myself.
but from when the fight started .10/sec to .33/sec shields were casts seven times in 23 seconds.

anything?

Does anyone remember when nightblades could deal damage and did not tank anything?

Not to knock anyones gameplay, by any means

but in Cyrodiil every day I see nightblades hitting 20k wrecking blows, dot healing themselves with rally and vigor for over 3k Heal/second, while literally dodging everything shot at them. I mean this one time I saw one roll seven times in 23 seconds...

I mean darn, when things got hairy and he actually got hit once, I saw him spam cloak about five times and disappear to never be seen again.

Anything?

Gizit

Rylana wrote: »

Gizit wrote: »

Remember when Sorc's dealt damage and did not tank anything?
or had to use blink instead of standing in the pain.

not to knock anyone's gameplay. by any means both of these players are far superior to myself.
but from when the fight started .10/sec to .33/sec shields were casts seven times in 23 seconds.

anything?

Does anyone remember when nightblades could deal damage and did not tank anything?

Not to knock anyones gameplay, by any means

but in Cyrodiil every day I see nightblades hitting 20k wrecking blows, dot healing themselves with rally and vigor for over 3k Heal/second, while literally dodging everything shot at them. I mean this one time I saw one roll seven times in 23 seconds...

I mean darn, when things got hairy and he actually got hit once, I saw him spam cloak about five times and disappear to never be seen again.

Anything?

Weird i didn't see any Night Blades in this video I will watch again and see if i missed it by chance. and try and find where your post here is relevant. I will be in touch !

Ezareth wrote: »

Juraigr wrote: »

the shield stack is over the top bring back 1.5 pls

Not the shield stack, just a poorly played DK and perfect play by German as usual.

You only have to look at his resources the entire time while fighting to understand the problem. He didn't even need to use a tri-pot which would have boosted his regen another 20%. 1/3rd of being Emp is the 70% increased resource regen yet in a 1 v 1 scenario and the right setup and CP it's *impossible* to run out of stam and mana as shown by german. He can literally spam his abilities every GCD without having to worry about resources and he doesn't need to block, only break free so on that front fighting an Emp doesn't matter.

Both times the emp died because he stopped blocking the damage and German is razor sharp on light attack/crushing shock weaving which will run anyone out of stamina including an emp unless he is built for it. Daedric curse, Crushing Shock, Mage's wrath explosion, Daedric Mines, Flawless dawnbreaker are all blockable and as a DK should be blocked.

The damage the DK did was very steady and predictable with no burst whatsoever. He never followed up CC with any sort of burst and german was never in any danger. Bat's is just a terrible ultimate for 1 v 1s.

Let me explain the issue in mathematical terms for you.

You can only execute a single ability every second. Let's say being Emperor increases your damage by 50% (in reality it is only closer to 15-20%). If your primary damage ability doesn't exceed the healing or shielding done by your opponent it doesn't matter if you're emp or not unless you can run them out of resources you're not going to kill them unless they make a mistake.

The build German uses can time several abilities to hit all at once and he's very good at lining those up. Velocious Curse, mages wrath and flawless dawnbreaker can all be time to hit at the exact same time which you'll notice is his killing combination in almost any of his fight. It's extremely bursty and if you don't block it when he lands it (especially if you're a vamp!) then you're most likely dead if he crits. He'll often line up a streak with the timing as well to CC you so you can't block the killing combo.

Just a flawless build and play on Germans part and the sort of mindless thoughtless keymashing that 1.6 has encouraged on the part of the DK.

He is a very well played Sorc, but i challenge to question if he actually had to pay attention to his health instead of a shield would it be a different story in which weaving is not as simple because self preservation would also be key. Without the risk of anything hurting your shields for at least 4 attacks, its a simple object to say you know what, light attack, crushing, light attack, heavy attack. ability ability ability. without that sense of urgency to dodge roll an incoming or create distance from a melee attacking person.
like i said prior, nothing against his game play i would be interested to see this type of play style pan out without the harness magic and hardened ward insurance policy. that is all. Hell i use the shields on my sorc. however i know the reason i win fights is not because i can weave, however because i can trust i wont get hurt while doing it.

Juraigr

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Tbf to Jurra he has a point. Although he's also a bit bitter cause his DK is dying a slow death (even more so in 1.7) and he now has to roam the land of Cyrodiil as Jurra Hex, a Sorcerer

It's not just the infinite resources. It's that infinite resources are so easy to achieve you can also add other aspects to your build.

You don't even need drinks or anything silly. With 2k regen and pots and Harness Magicka you never run out of magicka. On the same build I can have 35k magicka and 85 points in the Bastion passive. My shield stack is pushing 28k now. Against magicka builds, unless they create an enormous amount of burst they'll have a very hard time burning through that and killing me in a 1v1. Magicka DK (Emp or not) doesn't really have much burst and as such he'll have a hard time.

Now on the other hand when stamina builds can hit you with 40k damage combos from stealth, or when Magicka ProxyBlades can come out with Fear->Proxy->Soul Tether and hit you for the same....well that kinda burst creates an arms race. Big burst makes big shields necessary or you'll get one-shotted all over the place. But any class-build combo that lacks in the ability to create burst is severely disadvantaged in this world of 1.6. Especially so in duels.

I'm starting to hate my sorc I miss my DK I won't knock Ezareth on anything he said german had flawless burst however most of the fight it.was him stacking his shields at least that's.how I saw it, reason I will always say bring back 1.5 is softcaps you could never reach the insanely stupid levels of dmg and sustainability you just mentioned not possible now any tool can do it, the game as.it.is especially favours sorc's and nb anyone saying otherwise but yeah good play german

Ps I hate my sorc Wtb 1.5

Joy_Division

Rylana wrote: »

Gizit wrote: »

Remember when Sorc's dealt damage and did not tank anything?
or had to use blink instead of standing in the pain.

not to knock anyone's gameplay. by any means both of these players are far superior to myself.
but from when the fight started .10/sec to .33/sec shields were casts seven times in 23 seconds.

anything?

Does anyone remember when nightblades could deal damage and did not tank anything?

Not to knock anyones gameplay, by any means

but in Cyrodiil every day I see nightblades hitting 20k wrecking blows, dot healing themselves with rally and vigor for over 3k Heal/second, while literally dodging everything shot at them. I mean this one time I saw one roll seven times in 23 seconds...

I mean darn, when things got hairy and he actually got hit once, I saw him spam cloak about five times and disappear to never be seen again.

Anything?

Couldn't have said it better.

Ezareth

Gizit wrote: »

He is a very well played Sorc, but i challenge to question if he actually had to pay attention to his health instead of a shield would it be a different story in which weaving is not as simple because self preservation would also be key. Without the risk of anything hurting your shields for at least 4 attacks, its a simple object to say you know what, light attack, crushing, light attack, heavy attack. ability ability ability. without that sense of urgency to dodge roll an incoming or create distance from a melee attacking person.
like i said prior, nothing against his game play i would be interested to see this type of play style pan out without the harness magic and hardened ward insurance policy. that is all. Hell i use the shields on my sorc. however i know the reason i win fights is not because i can weave, however because i can trust i wont get hurt while doing it.

I fought him and a Sorc friend of his for a good 20 minutes last night on my NB with a templar friend. I killed his sorc friend when he let his shields lapse but German never did. In 20 minutes of play he never made a fatal mistake and I had zero chance to do enough damage to break through his shields without exposing my self to being killed (during wrecking blow you're completely open to attack). My NB is not really set up for insane burst damage but I'm full Legendary with a good bit of CPs and I melt sorcs the moment they make a mistake all the time. However, I'm also a sustain build which is the only reason the fight lasted 20 minutes but I never had any hope whatsoever of killing him without his internet crashing or him bugging in some way. In the end however someone is going to die and Zos decided the fight for me with the crit charge bug.

What I'm trying to say is German pays very close attention to his *shields* and I've seen them broken a few times and he never forgets to reapply them instantly. I'd have far more respect for him were he not using the inner/mundus stone exploits, but I don't question his skill as a player. It is really hard to judge sorcs right now because of the availability of so many exploits and the willingness to use them by so many players.(plenty of other threads out there to discuss this issue) When I play on my Sorc I feel that shield stacking is definitely balanced as I've never used any of these exploits and I die the moment I make a minor mistake usually. That said, I'm min/maxxing my regen and not my magicka which could also be why.

I think we need to see how 1.7 pans out before making any rash decisions. Personally I find the style of play German uses to be a bit boring to me as I *love* to dodge roll and block certain abilities instead of relying purely on shields. It makes the combat much more exciting to me, especially when it works. From a min/maxxer standpoint his build is going to be superior to mine with all things considered.

Yonkit

Joy_Division wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Gizit wrote: »

Remember when Sorc's dealt damage and did not tank anything?
or had to use blink instead of standing in the pain.

not to knock anyone's gameplay. by any means both of these players are far superior to myself.
but from when the fight started .10/sec to .33/sec shields were casts seven times in 23 seconds.

anything?

Does anyone remember when nightblades could deal damage and did not tank anything?

Not to knock anyones gameplay, by any means

but in Cyrodiil every day I see nightblades hitting 20k wrecking blows, dot healing themselves with rally and vigor for over 3k Heal/second, while literally dodging everything shot at them. I mean this one time I saw one roll seven times in 23 seconds...

I mean darn, when things got hairy and he actually got hit once, I saw him spam cloak about five times and disappear to never be seen again.

Anything?

Couldn't have said it better.

I find it's still tough as a NB like that to beat a strong sorc. Your primary damage dealers rarely break through the shields, and when they do you have but a small window of opportunity to finish them off before healing ward is cast and hardened ward is cast and the cycle repeats itself. Then again I run group builds with no offensive ultimates... so there's a handicap built in. With a bow build that can line up the burst much easier, I didn't have as many problems fighting sorcs 1v1. Now I just feel like at best I keep them at bay (since we know that most sorcs are by nature cautious creatures who rarely engage at risk to themselves).

Annnnnyways... Steel tornado OP?

vortexman11

I remember my 9k - 10k non crits on non vamps for flame lash when I was emp.... /sigh good times.

Why does no one ever ask me to duel I need practice too

CN_Daniel

He admitted to using exploits why was all that stuff removed?

Cinnamon_Spider

NPK Daniel wrote: »

He admitted to using exploits why was all that stuff removed?

I believe you're thinking of his other thread.

Mr_Nobody

Thats one of the worst emps this game has ever seen, not sure if it was an accomplishment of killing one.

Joy_Division

Yonkit wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Gizit wrote: »

Remember when Sorc's dealt damage and did not tank anything?
or had to use blink instead of standing in the pain.

not to knock anyone's gameplay. by any means both of these players are far superior to myself.
but from when the fight started .10/sec to .33/sec shields were casts seven times in 23 seconds.

anything?

Does anyone remember when nightblades could deal damage and did not tank anything?

Not to knock anyones gameplay, by any means

but in Cyrodiil every day I see nightblades hitting 20k wrecking blows, dot healing themselves with rally and vigor for over 3k Heal/second, while literally dodging everything shot at them. I mean this one time I saw one roll seven times in 23 seconds...

I mean darn, when things got hairy and he actually got hit once, I saw him spam cloak about five times and disappear to never be seen again.

Anything?

Couldn't have said it better.

I find it's still tough as a NB like that to beat a strong sorc. Your primary damage dealers rarely break through the shields, and when they do you have but a small window of opportunity to finish them off before healing ward is cast and hardened ward is cast and the cycle repeats itself. Then again I run group builds with no offensive ultimates... so there's a handicap built in. With a bow build that can line up the burst much easier, I didn't have as many problems fighting sorcs 1v1. Now I just feel like at best I keep them at bay (since we know that most sorcs are by nature cautious creatures who rarely engage at risk to themselves).

Annnnnyways... Steel tornado OP?

It's tough for any class to kill (as opposed to beat) a strong sorc. I really wish people would stop lumping shields and magicka in general with "sorcs." If we nerf shields, heals, and magicka in general because of all the complaining about sorcs, then magicka Templars and DKs will become all but useless - as it is painful to try play these specs without "zerging."

I do think sorcs are in the first tier as far as class strength (along with NBs) and I find it utterly amusing to watch them both complain how the other is OP. Sometimes I think there was a secret summit in which NBs and sorcs colluded just to keep DKs and Templars down

And, yes, Steel tornado OP.

Ezareth

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Thats one of the worst emps this game has ever seen, not sure if it was an accomplishment of killing one.

You haven't been PvPing long enough if you think that.

Master_Kas

Joy_Division wrote: »

Yonkit wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Gizit wrote: »

Remember when Sorc's dealt damage and did not tank anything?
or had to use blink instead of standing in the pain.

not to knock anyone's gameplay. by any means both of these players are far superior to myself.
but from when the fight started .10/sec to .33/sec shields were casts seven times in 23 seconds.

anything?

Does anyone remember when nightblades could deal damage and did not tank anything?

Not to knock anyones gameplay, by any means

but in Cyrodiil every day I see nightblades hitting 20k wrecking blows, dot healing themselves with rally and vigor for over 3k Heal/second, while literally dodging everything shot at them. I mean this one time I saw one roll seven times in 23 seconds...

I mean darn, when things got hairy and he actually got hit once, I saw him spam cloak about five times and disappear to never be seen again.

Anything?

Couldn't have said it better.

I find it's still tough as a NB like that to beat a strong sorc. Your primary damage dealers rarely break through the shields, and when they do you have but a small window of opportunity to finish them off before healing ward is cast and hardened ward is cast and the cycle repeats itself. Then again I run group builds with no offensive ultimates... so there's a handicap built in. With a bow build that can line up the burst much easier, I didn't have as many problems fighting sorcs 1v1. Now I just feel like at best I keep them at bay (since we know that most sorcs are by nature cautious creatures who rarely engage at risk to themselves).

Annnnnyways... Steel tornado OP?

It's tough for any class to kill (as opposed to beat) a strong sorc. I really wish people would stop lumping shields and magicka in general with "sorcs." If we nerf shields, heals, and magicka in general because of all the complaining about sorcs, then magicka Templars and DKs will become all but useless - as it is painful to try play these specs without "zerging."

I do think sorcs are in the first tier as far as class strength (along with NBs) and I find it utterly amusing to watch them both complain how the other is OP. Sometimes I think there was a secret summit in which NBs and sorcs colluded just to keep DKs and Templars down

And, yes, Steel tornado OP.

Agree on the Sorc vs NB QQ has become amusing. One OP class complaining about the other OP class
#nerf both
#buff DKs!

Lava_Croft

When a Sorcerer is the one standing still and the Dragon Knight is the one moving around.

Welcome to 1.6.