ZOS you need to put a penalty on NB vanish

Vatter

I really hope you have it already set to make this seriously OP ability cost more for consecutive uses for the Imperial City. It really should have the same treatment as streak.
People are able to spam it non stop while still being able to cause a good amount of damage. There will be no counter to it once you fix the detect potions. (mage light doesn't work) NB's are already able to just hit, vanish, hit, vanish, hit, vanish until your dead.

Also I see a lot of timed 3rd party macro users for the following combo - proximity detention, gap closer, light attack, dawn breaker of smiting. its a one shot and its starting to get really (snip) annoying.

I have video of some DC players using it tonight and will post it when it finishes uploading to youtube.

Lynx7386

My VR6 nightblade can use dark cloak / shadowy disguise exactly twice in a row, and then I'm out of magicka. That's a whopping 6 seconds of invisibility, assuming nothing breaks it.

Tell me again how this is overpowered. Maybe a magicka / bloodmage style nightblade could spam it, but what's the point? Most spell attacks cannot benefit from stealth damage bonuses, invisibility does not provide the normal stealth critical hit and stun that a sneaking stealth attack will, and you move slower while invisible just like you would while sneaking.

Also I see a lot of timed 3rd party macro users for the following combo - proximity detention, gap closer, light attack, dawn breaker of smiting. its a one shot and its starting to get really (snip) annoying.

And this has absolutely nothing to do with cloak.

Vatter

sorry but i won't be typing in the builds here for you to hop on the fotm train. if your not using it already then your in the very small minority.

Hmmm check the first word of the 2nd paragraph and get back to me once it sinks in....dont be afraid to read it a few times if you need too.

Molag_Crow

I must agree. This happens to me an awful lot, so I thought I'd record it.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=y0NIdLTlP6I

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

Vatter wrote: »

I really hope you have it already set to make this seriously OP ability cost more for consecutive uses for the Imperial City. It really should have the same treatment as streak.

OK thats it...I want the LOL button back and I want it now, this is just getting waaaayyy out of hand, they are gonna finally fix Shadow Cloak (and its Morph's) and now it needs a Nerf.... NO NO, it's finally gonna work as it should be..just handle it..

Vatter

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

Vatter wrote: »

I really hope you have it already set to make this seriously OP ability cost more for consecutive uses for the Imperial City. It really should have the same treatment as streak.

OK thats it...I want the LOL button back and I want it now, this is just getting waaaayyy out of hand, they are gonna finally fix Shadow Cloak (and its Morph's) and now it needs a Nerf.... NO NO, it's finally gonna work as it should be..just handle it..

And here we have a NB player ladies and gentleman, ready to defend this skill to the death and will stop at nothing to downplay the ability. Offering no reason why it isn't OP just saying that its going to be working "as intended".

wasn't streak working as intended? I bet you were on those forums crying for its nerf weren't you....

Or how about blazing shield pre 1.6? wasn't that working "as intended"?

How about inhale? wasn't that working as intended?

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO

My main is a NB and yet I do agree that shadow cloak should have the same increased cost system as roll dodge and streak next patch.

Atm it practically never work unless you do a couple of things before activating it (like purge and roll dodge), next patch when it actually begin to work as described it will be up there with all the other powerful defensive skills.

Btw.... Block should just have the same increased stamina cost per block as the other defenses instead of canceling stamina regen. Just to be fair.

Lynx7386

So really you're just another butt hurt sorceror

lifefrombelowb14_ESO

CrowsDescend wrote: »

I must agree. This happens to me an awful lot, so I thought I'd record it.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=y0NIdLTlP6I

I'm confused, all he did was open from stealth, he never re-stealthed.

Vatter

Lynx7386 wrote: »

So really you're just another butt hurt sorceror

wrong again 5-star-keyboard-basement-cowboy. I play the worst pvp class there is. Templar

GreenSoup2HoT

That will be a Magicka Nightblade's strength. However they will not have very much stamina for blocking or rolling. So this is really their only reliable way to mitigate damage.

As a stamina nightblade, i got like 2 cloak's in me. Which will only be used so i can heal or recover some resource. It's a pain when i try to utilize cloak for this and i am de-cloaked and killed not for lack of skill but for it not working as intended.

In my opinion, people who are smart can counter this easily. Hard CC or just Block until he reappear's. Don't leave yourself open for burst.

All nightblade's can counter Dark Cloak with Piercing Mark, which is why i still think Stamina Night blade's 1v1 against a Magicka Nightblade would win after this patch.

Even though Rolling is some what nerfed for stamina nightblade's, you can still block. I swear no one block's on console. I'll take 2 meteor's to the face while blocking and only have half my stamina bar taken out.
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If you really hate nightblade's, have a friend group with you who is a nightblade, then he can mark target's for you.

Alphashado

I am very tired of people asking for nerfs. So many unique, interesting abilities have been nerfed to the ground in the interest of pacifying pvp players that are disgruntled about getting pwned by this or that fotm build, that each class is becoming less and less unique, and more and more bland.

I'm to the point now where I just want the classes left alone. They all have their strengths and weaknesses. A forum search can find threads full of people asking for every class to get nerfed except for their own.

JJBaboon

I don't understand how this ability is OP at all.... I use it a lot on my NB, sure. But it is still expensive, it is still draining valueable combat reasources wth each use and the skill puts out no damage on its own. By this logic, Crystal shard procs should cost more with each consecutive use since I have been beaten to death by sorcs who manage to proc it several times in a row and give me zero chance. Half the time I use this ability it is to escape a rough situation or to line up an attack combo, which is the basis for all stealth NB's. Consecutive uses of the ability drain your magicka very fast. Magika build NBs can use this to good effect, but they are wasting their reasources for their damage pool if they overuse it as it is now. Stam builds might have a couple in them and then their magicka is gone. Really not seeing how it is so overpowered...

Psychobunni

I just left PVP, and for every sorc I seen bolting...I saw 5 disappearing NB's.

So yeah, "Imperial City....Rise of the Nightblades"

It's the only class I can't play, I tried just doesn't fit my personality at all.

dday3six

Vatter wrote: »

I really hope you have it already set to make this seriously OP ability cost more for consecutive uses for the Imperial City. It really should have the same treatment as streak.
People are able to spam it non stop while still being able to cause a good amount of damage. There will be no counter to it once you fix the detect potions. (mage light doesn't work) NB's are already able to just hit, vanish, hit, vanish, hit, vanish until your dead.

Also I see a lot of timed 3rd party macro users for the following combo - proximity detention, gap closer, light attack, dawn breaker of smiting. its a one shot and its starting to get really (snip) annoying.

I have video of some DC players using it tonight and will post it when it finishes uploading to youtube.

4 attacks is not a 1 shot first and foremost. It may happen lightning fast, but 4 is not 1.

Also it's only Magicka NB's who can spam cloak, but a good Magicka NB is not going to spam it because their other abilities cost Magicka as well. They are squishy, lack reliable in class self heals, and only have a minor shield. Front loaded attack is their trade off for lacking defense. Hit and run tactics are a glass cannon's MO, and Stealth is a NB main defensive tool. If you are unaware of how to combat it, that does not make it OP. ZOS is already increasing time to kill in IC, that softens NB strike first, strike hard approach well enough, on top of the Stamina nerfs to blocking and dodge rolls.

Lava_Croft

Vatter wrote: »

I really hope you have it already set to make this seriously OP ability cost more for consecutive uses for the Imperial City. It really should have the same treatment as streak.
People are able to spam it non stop while still being able to cause a good amount of damage. There will be no counter to it once you fix the detect potions. (mage light doesn't work) NB's are already able to just hit, vanish, hit, vanish, hit, vanish until your dead.

Also I see a lot of timed 3rd party macro users for the following combo - proximity detention, gap closer, light attack, dawn breaker of smiting. its a one shot and its starting to get really (snip) annoying.

I have video of some DC players using it tonight and will post it when it finishes uploading to youtube.

No counters? How about AoE skills, gap closers, Mark Target, Flares, Engine Guardian Automaton and what not? Also, Magelight works pretty well.

leepalmer95

wait there getting rid of detect pots actually detecting?

leepalmer95

JJBaboon wrote: »

I don't understand how this ability is OP at all.... I use it a lot on my NB, sure. But it is still expensive, it is still draining valueable combat reasources wth each use and the skill puts out no damage on its own. By this logic, Crystal shard procs should cost more with each consecutive use since I have been beaten to death by sorcs who manage to proc it several times in a row and give me zero chance. Half the time I use this ability it is to escape a rough situation or to line up an attack combo, which is the basis for all stealth NB's. Consecutive uses of the ability drain your magicka very fast. Magika build NBs can use this to good effect, but they are wasting their reasources for their damage pool if they overuse it as it is now. Stam builds might have a couple in them and then their magicka is gone. Really not seeing how it is so overpowered...

You see thats what every stamina build does when they dodge roll/block/break free, also it's a resource use it wisely, get high regen etc... im a magicka dk and i need to use reflective/gdb a lot which takes up a lot of magicka which is my damage source.

Tonnopesce

When the IC update come out we can test if finally cloak works as intended and we can see if it needs to be rebalanced but atm if i want to vanish in the middle of a fight because the enemy outnumber me i need to cast the cloak 3-4 times before it actually works.

And regard stealth bombs... is FUN to do it. I do this tecnique on the PS4 and apparently i cannot set a macro on the gamepad.

Molag_Crow

lifefrombelowb14_ESO wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

I must agree. This happens to me an awful lot, so I thought I'd record it.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=y0NIdLTlP6I

I'm confused, all he did was open from stealth, he never re-stealthed.

True, I should have recorded him stealthing, nuking 10+ of us at once with the same ability then stealthing, stealthing, stealthing, to be continued...

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO wrote: »

Atm it practically never work unless you do a couple of things before activating it (like purge and roll dodge), next patch when it actually begin to work as described it will be up there with all the other powerful defensive skills.

and that is one of the main reasons it should be fixed..

When a DK casts Green Dragon Blood and gets hit by damage, does the green Dragon blood ability stop working.. no

When a Templar casts a heal and gets hit by damage, does the healing ability not work... no

When a Resto staff user casts a shield and the shield takes a small amount of damage, does it just fail.. no

So when I cast my Shadow Cloak (or its Morphs) with my limited amount of Magicka it should just fail if I take damage..

Ummm a NO..

This fix should have been in since the game went live on PC and only now will it be put into the game...

and to reiterate what @Lava_Croft said

"No counters? How about AoE skills, gap closers, Mark Target, Flares, Engine Guardian Automaton and what not? Also, Magelight works pretty well."

Kotaro drops the MIC...

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

Vatter wrote: »

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

Vatter wrote: »

I really hope you have it already set to make this seriously OP ability cost more for consecutive uses for the Imperial City. It really should have the same treatment as streak.

OK thats it...I want the LOL button back and I want it now, this is just getting waaaayyy out of hand, they are gonna finally fix Shadow Cloak (and its Morph's) and now it needs a Nerf.... NO NO, it's finally gonna work as it should be..just handle it..

And here we have a NB player ladies and gentleman, ready to defend this skill to the death and will stop at nothing to downplay the ability. Offering no reason why it isn't OP just saying that its going to be working "as intended".

wasn't streak working as intended? I bet you were on those forums crying for its nerf weren't you....

Or how about blazing shield pre 1.6? wasn't that working "as intended"?

How about inhale? wasn't that working as intended?

Yup here to Defend, and nope never called for Bolt Escape to be nerfed, never, Sorc's are hard as hell to catch but I never called for a Nerf.. find me a post I made saying it should be Nerf'ed..

In actuality I don't think it should have been Nerfed at all..

Funny Story, once waaay back in the day,

Jacar a Sorc and I a Nightblade were in Cyrodiil one night hunting EP and DC, we went to Cheydinhal, been there ?? well there is a Church there and a small stretch of water to get back across to the quest givers Sylvian and Victoria, I had to either swim most of it or take the bridge opening myself up either PvE combat or being visible while swimming, what does Jacar do... he Bolts right over it...thats right, right over it.. he never touches the water.. bam he is there....I was like, are you kidding me.. Jacar says to me, "just Bolt man..." I say I'm a Nightblade.. he says "Not my fault you picked the wrong class..." him= laughing, me= random expletives are said.. but I still never called for a Nerf because that's the advantage of the Sorc class...

This Khajiit winded up getting wet..

OH yeah, I never called for a Nerf to blazing shield or Inhale either... so mind your manners..

F7sus4

CrowsDescend wrote: »

I must agree. This happens to me an awful lot, so I thought I'd record it.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=y0NIdLTlP6I

Just one word: "Noob."