[Poll] Molten Whip / Flame Lash?

SahrotRein

Hello, I've looked around and read that Flame Lash is a better PvP choice due to its heal and setting enemy off balance whereas Molten Whip is more of a PvE thing especially considering you use more Ardent Flame abilities.
I honestly do not know which morph I wanna go with. I do PvP from time to time but the thing I am confused about is when do I get healed? The tooltip says "when the enemy is off balance", but which ability causes that? Shield Charge from One Handed + Shield tree certainly does not since it stuns (tho I have seen people proc'ing Flame Lash after Shield Charge).
Also, what DK abilities allow us to proc Flame Lash right after? Ofcourse not counting blocking opponents' ability.

And if you'd be kind enough, please also comment and let me know of your experience with this ability and how you use it.

bertenburnyb16_ESO

Flame Lash

Eres wrote: »

Shield Charge from One Handed + Shield tree certainly does not since it stuns (tho I have seen people proc'ing Flame Lash after Shield Charge).

wrong, it does
if molten whip would increase all flame damage it would be worth it probably, but the free second cast + heal from flame lash is way to good compared to MW

SahrotRein

Flame Lash

bertenburnyb16_ESO wrote: »

Eres wrote: »

Shield Charge from One Handed + Shield tree certainly does not since it stuns (tho I have seen people proc'ing Flame Lash after Shield Charge).

wrong, it does
if molten whip would increase all flame damage it would be worth it probably, but the free second cast + heal from flame lash is way to good compared to MW

Thanks, good points. So I'd assume that it'd be better to use rather Invasion morph for increased stun duration just in case I wouldn't be for any stupid reason able to cast it right away. Or is Shielded Assault good enough?

Lynx7386

Go with flame lash.

SahrotRein

Flame Lash

Yeah I'll go with it, also how about Shielded Assault/Invasion morph? Is the increased stun duration significant? Because it seems like Shielded Assault doesn't let me proc Flame Lash even if I spam it right after I hit the target.

Lynx7386

I prefer shielded assault, the stun duration increase isnt significant enough to lose a damage shield.

SahrotRein

Flame Lash

Aight I've gone with Flame Lash. Tbh I've always had Molten Whip but barely ever used more than 1 of Ardent Flame abilities at once (usually Unstable Flames) and since I won't be really using this skill for PvE anyway I took the other version.
Thanks

Sithisvoid

Use both with the Molten whip morph to increase the damage of flame lash.

Teiji

Molten Whip

Molten Whip is glorious, it's always going to do more damage than Flame Lash - this much is a fact.

However as others have said, Flame Lash has much more utility - this doesn't mean we should disregard the free damage boost Molten Whip gives to Ardent Flame abilities, if you're using Molten Whip with two more Ardent Flame abilities, the benefits are going to seriously out-weigh Flame Lash'.

If your play style is more about brawling safe with sustain, Flame Lash.

If your play style is more about charging in, bare knuckled with some tape wrapped around your knuckles as you wrestle bears naked in the mountains of Orsinium, Molten Whip.

SahrotRein

Flame Lash

Teiji, in order to get the most of Molten Whip's passive I'd have to use as many Ardent Flame abilities as possible. I can see DK Standard of Might, Unstable Flames and maybe Inferno but I also want to use Shield Assault, Pierce Armor and one of Earthen Heart abilities, as for ultimate I use Devouring Swarm.
Anyway the point is that it'd be more than a decent morph if I was pure magicka DK using 2-3 Ardent Flame abilities tho I am not
You clear things out for me and since I use different abilities from different trees I might stick to Flame Lash.

Also one last question about Dragon Blood. I am aware that GDB is probably the better morph here for many builds as it restores stamina which my build might take advantage of as I use 2 stamina abilities for both PvP and PvE.
Although Coagulating Blood gives increased healing taken and in this case I'd receive the healing from Devouring Swarm, Invigorating Drain, Flame Lash and perhaps Absorb Magic.
So would it be more beneficial for me to pick up Coagulating Blood since I have many resources to regain health from? Btw, my stamina abilities are Pierce Armor and Unstable Flame (only for PvP for DPS). I use Piece Armor just once and then spam a couple of Unstable Flames. Sometimes I trade Unstable flames for Shielded Assault tho.

I'd be glad if anyone helps me about this Dragon Blood morph.

GreySix

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Teiji

Molten Whip

Eres wrote: »

I'd be glad if anyone helps me about this Dragon Blood morph.

The 20% increased stamina regeneration is nice however it's something we can receive from potions. This is also true for combining our base stamina regeneration, with the Champion System % increase to stamina regen as well as using blue drinks which regen stam & mag, which is a favourite of mine when I do tank as I can use all abilities with reckless abandon.

With that said; Coagulating blood offers increased healing received, this is great solo and also very helpful for group play, as more than one person may heal you more efficiently, yourself included. As obvious as it is, more healing received means more survivability, plus it lasts for a long time, making all future Dragon's Blood casts more effective as well as all other heals.

I've never found myself in a scenario thinking "I wish I had Green Dragon's Blood instead of Coagulating Blood." and I never will. It's really strong and has such great synergy with so many different abilities solo, as well as making heals from others more effective on you too. I always play a Warrior though so this goes without saying.

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Sugram22

Molten Whip 40 extra dam to all flame skills, that 40 is small number, seems useless, or is that 40 different scale, like Spell Crit rate passive that shows number of thousands but is small in %, end result just 10% crit, or does this 40 really mean just 40? then its useless, i think, txt on morph said 40

so no idea life steal morph or Molten Whip?

i do use fiery breath to & flame sword skill + i want to add shield bash to it, last skill inner light, not sure will i replace 1 with inferno, 1 of the 4 skills, if it still stops mana recovery then i think i won't use it with my magic build, heavy armor

Sugram22

flame sword i use for heal when i get lava whip, at least i plan to, i like to be DPS char more, i care about DPS not tanking, but if it (DPS) makes me Tank its OK

imredneckson

Flame Lash

I like flames lash better because of the heal it provides but if you're good on heals go molten

Sugram22

ofc if life steal morph has that effect that increases MP cost when i want to cast only that, then i don't like it, i know 1 spell that does that, sorc jolt escape or bolt escape or how was it called, cast within 4sec again & it costs 50% more MP, it just that whip will be my mane attack, specially if i go with Molten, so i will be using whip the most, F Breath is for making enemy burn, so i use it once as long as enemy is burning, recast when burn ends

Sugram22

meany want steam morph to whip, i recommend not morph, i recommend passive that uses 1 point, it converts all skills in to stamina use, well only class that wont have it is Sorc, & Templar, well with Templar it converts only Spear skills to stamina, while other classes get all & sorc none, the problem is i like some stamina morphs (with some classes), but i want to use magic with them, to have skill with same effect as the stamina morph has & use MP, u know what i mean, example lets say lash is stamina morph, i want that, but i want it to be MP morph, that's why i like if they make passive fot converting skills to stamina use, then also skills like NB assassins blade will be Psy dam when it uses stamina, DK flame will be fire so CP elemental expert will increase its dam, right new elemental expert has 0 effect on it when its morphed to stamina, nothing increases its dam then

Sharee

Runaan wrote: »

I do PvP from time to time but the thing I am confused about is when do I get healed? The tooltip says "when the enemy is off balance", but which ability causes that?

To answer that: when you use flame whip on an enemy who is off-balance, instead of flame lash, pressing the button will execute a 'powerlash' which has a different animation, does more damage, and puts a heal-over-time buff on you that will tick three times for a significant amount of healing.

Flame whip itself has the ability to put an enemy off balance, if you use it on someone stunned or rooted. The attack sequence will be, for example

talons to root -> flame lash while enemy is rooted(this will put him off balance) -> power lash(and you get the heal ticking on you)

LoreRiley

Flame Lash

Flame lash occurs on all CC and knockback even Talon spam. Its really good

Shadesofkin

Molten Whip

I don't PvP, so I use Molten.

Vynist

Flame Lash

As a magicka DK, my main source of healing comes from Flame Lash.

Make sure to keep talons up as much as you can. Flame Lash will proc much more often than you think.

willymchilybily

Flame Lash

molten whip gives like 100 spell damage to ardent flame abilities. which is fine, but only a 2-5% dps boost depending on set up. but a 10,000-12,000 heal from a using flame lash on an off balance target is a good heal and the power lash is a lot more damage.

to proc the power lash/heal you can, immobilisze/root or stun an enemy and then flame lash once. This sets the target off balance. The target can also be set off balance also by interrupting them (i believe) and by blocking a heavy attack. Once off balance the flame lash symbol changes clicking it a second time does the power lash which does more damage knocking the enemy down

Hope499

Molten Whip

I pvp a lot now, so I changed mine to Molten whip for extra DMG.

Considering I run Flames of oblivion, Burning embers and my whip on one bar, that is a ton of DPS.

i love my flame lash, but for the DPS I gave it up.

Fruity_Ninja

Vynist wrote: »

As a magicka DK, my main source of healing comes from Flame Lash.

Make sure to keep talons up as much as you can. Flame Lash will proc much more often than you think.

I've always used Molten. I'm going to change up my morph now.

So when Flame Lash procs, are there any clear visuals to indicate the proc? Sounds, visual?

old_mufasa

For PvE.. trash mobs and solo farming flame lash is great.. that heal just makes its so you can just keep going and going and going.. and.. well you get the point.. but... <--- I bet you knew that was coming...

But.. for Boss fights with no adds and CC immune mobs flame lash does nothing for you..

So you have to pick do you want the extra damage for all targets..or the utility for trash and solo mobs... that's how you have to look at it...

Talons + flamelash x2 is a potent self combo to get the proc and heal as others have stated.. plus you get the add CC of talons on everything near you.

Vynist

Flame Lash

Fruity_Ninja wrote: »

Vynist wrote: »

As a magicka DK, my main source of healing comes from Flame Lash.

Make sure to keep talons up as much as you can. Flame Lash will proc much more often than you think.

I've always used Molten. I'm going to change up my morph now.

So when Flame Lash procs, are there any clear visuals to indicate the proc? Sounds, visual?

Yes, the Flame Lash icon on your skill bar will light up and change into a different icon, very noticeable.

The flame lash heal will proc after a talons hit or fossilize hit, so keep those going and you'll get an easy 7.5k+ heal every 5 seconds.

Important note: be aggressive as a DK. Keep taloning and whipping.

ADarklore

Molten Whip

Interesting... as I only PvE but found that I don't have any healing issues against mobs so I don't see a reason for extra heals. The only time I need the extra heals are in boss fights and because of CC immunity, talons doesn't work and you can't set the boss off-balance anyway. Plus, I tend to go from Engulfing Flames which gives 7% additional damage against affected enemies into Molten Whip, which gives me even more damage to flame attacks. Combine that with Inferno Staff's Elemental Ring (also fire damage)... and that's a lot of extra damage generation. Mobs typically die before I lose much health.

threefarms

Nerf both of them.

Drakilian

If you're a Magicka build (sounds like you are) you'd be better off not using unstable flame but the other one (burning embers I think). That's all I have to say.

alkodav

Molten Whip

Molten Whip for PvE, Flame Lash for PvP imo...