ESO and Entitled Players

Celestrael

So something I've noticed on the forums (and something I'm frequently baited into responding to) is that many players seem to have this sense of entitlement that their playstyle should be catered to and that every piece of content that comes down the pipeline should be tailored to them specifically. Solo players (which why you play an MMO when you don't want to interact with other players is beyond me) think all the content should be able to be completed by themselves. PvE'ers think there should be a non-PvP Cyrodiil/IC because they don't want to be exposed to PvP. Casual players don't think there should be Veteran Ranks because they don't want to invest the time to earn them. PC players think they are entitled to free DLC, because reasons. There's a lot of entitlement going on, and when they don't get their way they come here and complain, bad mouth the game, doom and gloom, threaten to quit, threaten to stop giving ZOS money, this, that, and the third.

Listen. Not every aspect of a game is going to fit every playstyle. If you don't group, don't expect to experience group content. If you don't PvP, don't expect to experience PvP content. Don't expect to play DLC content if you're unwilling to subscribe or pay for it. Don't expect the best gear, best stats, best whatever if you don't want to work for it. Don't expect the developers to bend every aspect of the game and it's delivery system to you. To quote Fight Club, "“You are not special. You're not a beautiful and unique snowflake". Experience the parts of the game you're willing to participate in and quit expecting everything to be tailored to you.

Aett_Thorn

There is absolutely nothing wrong with requesting that a game that you enjoy be made more enjoyable for you. Sometimes, it just can't or shouldn't be done, but there is nothing wrong with asking.

Celestrael

The problem comes when you feel entitled to be able to do content in a way that's completely counter to what the content is. You can't PvE your way through PvP content. You can't solo your way through group content. You can't just have content for free. You can't get the best things without working for them.

People are just being ridiculous and I admittedly have been getting very impatient with them.

Rosveen

Entitlement is rapidly overtaking immersion as my least favorite word.

Grimnaur

Nevermind*

Tyrusaran

OH dear its the whinny pvp kid again -_-

@DEVS plox shut this whine troll flame thread down now

Farorin

Aett_Thorn wrote: »

There is absolutely nothing wrong with requesting that a game that you enjoy be made more enjoyable for you. Sometimes, it just can't or shouldn't be done, but there is nothing wrong with asking.

I agree, but how people ask seems to be the issue, it is less of an ask, more of a demand, a whinge, a cry and snide remarks.

I myself must confess I have been no better than the majority as of late due t being baited into responding to the whiners. I am just so sick of people complaining all the time, especially about the new DLC.

leepalmer95

Celestrael wrote: »

The problem comes when you feel entitled to be able to do content in a way that's completely counter to what the content is. You can't PvE your way through PvP content. You can't solo your way through group content. You can't just have content for free. You can't get the best things without working for them.

People are just being ridiculous and I admittedly have been getting very impatient with them.

The thing is people are 'entitled' (hating that work myself) to play the game how they want. People do pve through cyrodiil, people do solo group content (i do it myself) , you can get some of the best things without any work.

Also i'm not exactly sure what your impatient about

Leandor

Tyrusaran wrote: »

OH dear its the whinny pvp kid again -_-

@DEVS plox shut this whine troll flame thread down now

Reported for insulting behaviour and trolling in response to a very reasonably neutrally written post.

Celestrael

This is technically whining about whiners, but really it's getting out of hand. I find myself nearly constantly in the position of defending ZOS and the game in general against consistently negative people with huge entitlement complexes. Sure there are things wrong, and constructive criticism, suggestions, etc are important and encouraged... but a lot of these threads are just outright pitiful. And I guess this thread will troll the ones who are a part of the problem. But I stand by the post.

Turelus

I have to agree with you OP. Sadly this is the way of the MMO/Gaming world now.

People don't understand it's not all about them, that the game is not developed entirely for them or should be balanced around their skill levels or play time.

In EVE Online generally we would just tell people to HTFU, not sure the mods would let us get away with that here.

Junipus

Just stay away from these forums. Easiest way to deal with all the BS and nonsense is to play the game and leave people to complain amongst themselves here. At least you know from ZOS' history that they never listen to players so you can forget having to defend sanity on here.

Celestrael

You even see it with the maintenance schedule. OMG I CAN'T PLAY AT 5AM EST BECAUSE OF MAINTENANCE!!!! WHY COULDN'T THEY DO IT SOME OTHER TIME!?! Obviously ZOS is going to perform maintenance when the fewest number of players are going to be affected by it. If that happens to be during your prime gaming hours, that's just the way it is. ZOS always lets you know like a week ahead of time when the maintenance is going to be so you can plan accordingly.

DamagedInc666

Celestrael wrote: »

You even see it with the maintenance schedule. OMG I CAN'T PLAY AT 5AM EST BECAUSE OF MAINTENANCE!!!! WHY COULDN'T THEY DO IT SOME OTHER TIME!?! Obviously ZOS is going to perform maintenance when the fewest number of players are going to be affected by it. If that happens to be during your prime gaming hours, that's just the way it is. ZOS always lets you know like a week ahead of time when the maintenance is going to be so you can plan accordingly.

That's exactly what annoys me, the other stuff I can ignore but these people have to realise that maintenance needs doing and that's that, it's like the ones who complain to ESO when PSN is down, some people's comments on the Facebook page are embarrassing, the other stuff I can easily ignore.

Nermy

I too agree with the OP, just play the feckin' game and stop complaining about it if things don't suit you completely. Life will kick you in the arse if you think you are 'entitled' to succeed without hard graft.

And Tarvy, shush about bloody EVE...

VtCwby07

leepalmer95 wrote: »

The thing is people are 'entitled' (hating that work myself) to play the game how they want. People do pve through cyrodiil, people do solo group content (i do it myself) , you can get some of the best things without any work.

Also i'm not exactly sure what your impatient about

The real problem is that more and more people feel that they are "entitled" to things in everyday life.

I agree and have no problem with things channging, but people need to realize that the world doesn't revolve around them and we don't "owe" them anything

Sithisvoid

Yeah that's called consumer feedback and it's been around since business began.

Sallington

The best is when you ask for things they advertised at launch, and then people call you entitled.

Celestrael

Feedback is great, and I'm all for fair and reasonable criticism that's delivered constructively. I'm all for suggestions that make sense and would improve the game. There's a distinct difference between offering up feedback and suggestions and demanding things cater to you/throwing a tantrum when they don't. Even most of the thread titles are enough to discredit the author (I wont outright point fingers but you need not look further than the first page).

I would spend less time on the forums, but it's one of the only ways to acquire information about the game. There's a distinct lack of external sites that have current information and up-to-date builds, etc. I've found a few but they need supplementation.

phairdon

I'd love a non pvp Cyrodiil zone. The pve side feels incomplete to me without it. Yes, I know you can do pve quests in Cyrodiil. Wanting a non pvp version is nothing to do with entitlement, nothing more than a wish, which is unlikely to ever be fulfilled.
People here are free to like or dislike any element of the game, just as we are free to agree or disagree with their point of view & visa versa. Once again, this has nothing to do with entitlement.
MMORPG does not mean players need to group. Its about choice. Want to play solo, fine. Want to group, this is fine too.

I am not a fan of pvp in this game. Does not mean I expect anyone else to feel the same way.
This game does an okay job catering to different play styles. Whether you're a "dungeoneer", only like group content, solo, pvp only, pve only or pvx (everything in game).

Has no problem with veteran ranks, nor would I if they decided to remove them.

AhPook_Is_Here

Celestrael wrote: »

So something I've noticed on the forums (and something I'm frequently baited into responding to) is that many players seem to have this sense of entitlement that their playstyle should be catered to and that every piece of content that comes down the pipeline should be tailored to them specifically. Solo players (which why you play an MMO when you don't want to interact with other players is beyond me) think all the content should be able to be completed by themselves. PvE'ers think there should be a non-PvP Cyrodiil/IC because they don't want to be exposed to PvP. Casual players don't think there should be Veteran Ranks because they don't want to invest the time to earn them. PC players think they are entitled to free DLC, because reasons. There's a lot of entitlement going on, and when they don't get their way they come here and complain, bad mouth the game, doom and gloom, threaten to quit, threaten to stop giving ZOS money, this, that, and the third.

Listen. Not every aspect of a game is going to fit every playstyle. If you don't group, don't expect to experience group content. If you don't PvP, don't expect to experience PvP content. Don't expect to play DLC content if you're unwilling to subscribe or pay for it. Don't expect the best gear, best stats, best whatever if you don't want to work for it. Don't expect the developers to bend every aspect of the game and it's delivery system to you. To quote Fight Club, "“You are not special. You're not a beautiful and unique snowflake". Experience the parts of the game you're willing to participate in and quit expecting everything to be tailored to you.

So you feel entitled to accuse others of feeling entitled. This is cute.

Sithisvoid

Celestrael wrote: »

Feedback is great, and I'm all for fair and reasonable criticism that's delivered constructively. I'm all for suggestions that make sense and would improve the game. There's a distinct difference between offering up feedback and suggestions and demanding things cater to you/throwing a tantrum when they don't. Even most of the thread titles are enough to discredit the author (I wont outright point fingers but you need not look further than the first page).

I would spend less time on the forums, but it's one of the only ways to acquire information about the game. There's a distinct lack of external sites that have current information and up-to-date builds, etc. I've found a few but they need supplementation.

I get what you mean OP i just do my best to ignore some of the more needy/demanding threads.

kevlarto_ESO

it's not just ESO it is all games and beyond, the whole entitlement thing is an epidemic that stretches into many different markets,sad really Even in free games where players have not spent one penny for some reason think they are owed a bunch of what ever, who knows /shrug

ZOS_ArtG

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