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Regeneration morph?
Azalin76
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Which one is the better one to take as a templar healer, they both seem pretty decent. Rapid regen heals more and faster, where as mutagen only heals more at low health.
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Nestor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Scanning the Resto Staff Skills, Mutagen seems to be the only one that removes a negative effect, so that is what I would pick. I might have missed something in the line that also does this.
Having said that, I don't run a Resto Staff on my Templar Healer, I just use Class Skills for Healing. However the Resto Staff has some passives that let you regen magic which a Templar needs help with.Edited by Nestor on July 15, 2015 2:58PMEnjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
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Azalin76✭✭✭Yeah templars have cleansing ritual that removes negative effects which I think is a standard for all templars thats why I figured mutagen doesn't seem as good as rapid regen, but wanted to get the public opinion first to see what most ppl run with.0
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Lynx7386✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I like mutagen as a safety net for the party, it's cheap to keep up on everyone in a group and if anyone takes some spike damage it can save them long enough to let you get another heal out. It's especially useful for non-templar healers who dont have breath of life as a burst heal.PS4 / NA
M'asad - Khajiit Nightblade - Healer
Pakhet - Khajiit Dragonknight - Tank
Raksha - Khajiit Sorcerer - Stamina DPS
Bastet - Khajiit Templar - Healer
Leonin - Khajiit Warden - Tank1 -
PBpsy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I like mutagen as a safety net for the party, it's cheap to keep up on everyone in a group and if anyone takes some spike damage it can save them long enough to let you get another heal out. It's especially useful for non-templar healers who dont have breath of life as a burst heal.
Hm. Was that fixed ? Last time I checked the bonus for mutagen only applied if the mutagen was applied after the target reached low health. meaning that it was absolutely worthless for what you are saying.
Tested it again. I only did it on myself since I didn't have someone else online but I doubt it works differently on group members. Mutagen big heal applies only to a Mutagen that is cast when under 20% if you cast it before they will only get the normal tick which is lower and slower than Rapid Regen. That means that Mutagen is not a preemptive heal or better than rapid regen in that regard. It is just small burst heal if you are lucky enough to cast it on targets at >20%.
It kind of makes sense though otherwise Mutagen would actually rival BOLEdited by PBpsy on July 15, 2015 7:38PMESO forums achievementsProud fanboiElitist jerkTrollHaterFan of icontested(rainbow colors granted)1 -
Lord Xanhorn✭✭✭✭How can you justify this skill on your bar as a templar healer. Its offers so little in comparison.I'm kind of a small deal!1 -
Try using both, mutagen is gonna be your anti execute ability and rapid regeneration is your main HOT0 -
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We'll then I don't see a reason for MutagenI like mutagen as a safety net for the party, it's cheap to keep up on everyone in a group and if anyone takes some spike damage it can save them long enough to let you get another heal out. It's especially useful for non-templar healers who dont have breath of life as a burst heal.
Hm. Was that fixed ? Last time I checked the bonus for mutagen only applied if the mutagen was applied after the target reached low health. meaning that it was absolutely worthless for what you are saying.
Tested it again. I only did it on myself since I didn't have someone else online but I doubt it works differently on group members. Mutagen big heal applies only to a Mutagen that is cast when under 20% if you cast it before they will only get the normal tick which is lower and slower than Rapid Regen. That means that Mutagen is not a preemptive heal or better than rapid regen in that regard. It is just small burst heal if you are lucky enough to cast it on targets at >20%.
It kind of makes sense though otherwise Mutagen would actually rival BOL
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PBpsy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Lord Xanhorn wrote: »How can you justify this skill on your bar as a templar healer. Its offers so little in comparison.
I as a DPS really dislike any healer that does not keep rapid regen or at least mutagen on everyone at all times because it gives me a lot more survivability and it lets me take more risk in order to maximize my damage. For this reason when I heal I make a point of having rapid regen at all times on all players even if I can keep them alive with frantic BOL spammage.ESO forums achievementsProud fanboiElitist jerkTrollHaterFan of icontested(rainbow colors granted)2 -
Azalin76✭✭✭Lord Xanhorn wrote: »How can you justify this skill on your bar as a templar healer. Its offers so little in comparison.
At low level it's a good heal until I can unlock more spells, what do you typically run on your heal bar?0 -
eventide03b14a_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I like mutagen as a safety net for the party, it's cheap to keep up on everyone in a group and if anyone takes some spike damage it can save them long enough to let you get another heal out. It's especially useful for non-templar healers who dont have breath of life as a burst heal.
Hm. Was that fixed ? Last time I checked the bonus for mutagen only applied if the mutagen was applied after the target reached low health. meaning that it was absolutely worthless for what you are saying.
Tested it again. I only did it on myself since I didn't have someone else online but I doubt it works differently on group members. Mutagen big heal applies only to a Mutagen that is cast when under 20% if you cast it before they will only get the normal tick which is lower and slower than Rapid Regen. That means that Mutagen is not a preemptive heal or better than rapid regen in that regard. It is just small burst heal if you are lucky enough to cast it on targets at >20%.
It kind of makes sense though otherwise Mutagen would actually rival BOL
It's not about luck. It will cast on whoever has the most damage.:trollin:0 -
WyldfireWyrm✭✭✭I haven't found the spell that beneficial as a Templar healer. There are just too many other spells that work better IMO.
- Purifying Ritual provides a small HoT (not as good as Regen) and up to 2 negative effects with a synergy heal available.
- Breath of Life provides a great panic button for those heavy hits and mob focused attacks. I personally stack enough that magicka regen and max magicka that I can spam BoL if I want and don't really need any other spells (although there are more efficient spells to use).
- Practiced incantation is a great ultimate that basically provides 6 seconds of immortality to your group.
- Repentance is an awesome, free heal that works great for mob encounters or for bosses with adds.
- Purifying Light provides a great boss or elite mob DPS tool that also provides a HoT.
The only two resto staff skills I use are Healing Ward and Siphon Spirit for a good shield and a great spell that restores health and magicka to your group just for doing what they do....attacking. I don't use Combat Prayer because the effect is too short for me to remember to constantly keep it up and it's difficult to use for groups that spread out (which is almost all of them IME).
And those are just the spells that actually heal my group. The rest of my abilities are all utility when I am the healer since I don't really do any damage. Siphon Spirit restores my group's magicka, while my Blazing Spear restores stamina, gives stamina regen, stuns one enemy and has a DoT.
Now if we were talking about a healer other than Templar, Mutagen would be the best as long as you can remember to reapply it.Edited by WyldfireWyrm on July 15, 2015 8:19PM0 -
PBpsy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »I like mutagen as a safety net for the party, it's cheap to keep up on everyone in a group and if anyone takes some spike damage it can save them long enough to let you get another heal out. It's especially useful for non-templar healers who dont have breath of life as a burst heal.
Hm. Was that fixed ? Last time I checked the bonus for mutagen only applied if the mutagen was applied after the target reached low health. meaning that it was absolutely worthless for what you are saying.
Tested it again. I only did it on myself since I didn't have someone else online but I doubt it works differently on group members. Mutagen big heal applies only to a Mutagen that is cast when under 20% if you cast it before they will only get the normal tick which is lower and slower than Rapid Regen. That means that Mutagen is not a preemptive heal or better than rapid regen in that regard. It is just small burst heal if you are lucky enough to cast it on targets at >20%.
It kind of makes sense though otherwise Mutagen would actually rival BOL
It's not about luck. It will cast on whoever has the most damage.
Hm I am not sure you understand what i meant... It's about luck in that a lot of random things may happen between you noticing that the guy is under 20% you trying to cast mutagen , mutagen activating and saving the guy. Usually when someone is at 20% things are not going that well already so the timing is very important and requires some luck. As an Oh crap button is not that great.Edited by PBpsy on July 15, 2015 8:29PMESO forums achievementsProud fanboiElitist jerkTrollHaterFan of icontested(rainbow colors granted)1 -
WyldfireWyrm✭✭✭Is regen better than reduction? Or is that situational?
What do you mean by "reduction"? I ran Rapid Regen on my Templar until I got Purifying Light, Healing Ward, Purifying Ritual and Repentance. After that, the ability just felt useless in comparison. Its good for lower levels though.Edited by WyldfireWyrm on July 15, 2015 8:42PM0 -
WyldfireWyrm✭✭✭eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »I like mutagen as a safety net for the party, it's cheap to keep up on everyone in a group and if anyone takes some spike damage it can save them long enough to let you get another heal out. It's especially useful for non-templar healers who dont have breath of life as a burst heal.
Hm. Was that fixed ? Last time I checked the bonus for mutagen only applied if the mutagen was applied after the target reached low health. meaning that it was absolutely worthless for what you are saying.
Tested it again. I only did it on myself since I didn't have someone else online but I doubt it works differently on group members. Mutagen big heal applies only to a Mutagen that is cast when under 20% if you cast it before they will only get the normal tick which is lower and slower than Rapid Regen. That means that Mutagen is not a preemptive heal or better than rapid regen in that regard. It is just small burst heal if you are lucky enough to cast it on targets at >20%.
It kind of makes sense though otherwise Mutagen would actually rival BOL
It's not about luck. It will cast on whoever has the most damage.
Hm I am not sure you understand what i meant... It's about luck in that a lot of random things may happen between you noticing that the guy is under 20% you trying to cast mutagen , mutagen activating and saving the guy. Usually when someone is at 20% things are not going that well already so the timing is very important and requires some luck. As an Oh crap button is not that great.
I was unaware the ability was bugged. That is good to know. I guess Rapid Regen is a better ability then until that is fixed.0 -
Azalin76✭✭✭WyldfireWyrm wrote: »Is regen better than reduction? Or is that situational?
What do you mean by "reduction"? I ran Rapid Regen on my Templar until I got Purifying Light, Healing Ward, Purifying Ritual and Repentance. After that, the ability just felt useless in comparison. Its good for lower levels though.
As in mana regen or spell cost reduction0 -
WyldfireWyrm✭✭✭WyldfireWyrm wrote: »Is regen better than reduction? Or is that situational?
What do you mean by "reduction"? I ran Rapid Regen on my Templar until I got Purifying Light, Healing Ward, Purifying Ritual and Repentance. After that, the ability just felt useless in comparison. Its good for lower levels though.
As in mana regen or spell cost reduction
As a healer, spell cost reduction is more important. The magicka regen is second most important.0 -
Azalin76✭✭✭WyldfireWyrm wrote: »WyldfireWyrm wrote: »Is regen better than reduction? Or is that situational?
What do you mean by "reduction"? I ran Rapid Regen on my Templar until I got Purifying Light, Healing Ward, Purifying Ritual and Repentance. After that, the ability just felt useless in comparison. Its good for lower levels though.
As in mana regen or spell cost reduction
As a healer, spell cost reduction is more important. The magicka regen is second most important.
ok ty, I have all of my cp in reduction now and my jewelry I usually put reduction on as well. been getting my regen from cloth armor passives.
Any recommendations on what to put cp in for the other two? mage and warrior?0 -
Lynx7386✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I like mutagen as a safety net for the party, it's cheap to keep up on everyone in a group and if anyone takes some spike damage it can save them long enough to let you get another heal out. It's especially useful for non-templar healers who dont have breath of life as a burst heal.
Hm. Was that fixed ? Last time I checked the bonus for mutagen only applied if the mutagen was applied after the target reached low health. meaning that it was absolutely worthless for what you are saying.
Tested it again. I only did it on myself since I didn't have someone else online but I doubt it works differently on group members. Mutagen big heal applies only to a Mutagen that is cast when under 20% if you cast it before they will only get the normal tick which is lower and slower than Rapid Regen. That means that Mutagen is not a preemptive heal or better than rapid regen in that regard. It is just small burst heal if you are lucky enough to cast it on targets at >20%.
It kind of makes sense though otherwise Mutagen would actually rival BOL
I feel like an idiot now, thanks, lol. I've been using mutagen across several healing characters (even my templar) for the better part of a year now, and had no idea that it wasnt actually working as intended.
Guess i'll be getting rid of that morph...PS4 / NA
M'asad - Khajiit Nightblade - Healer
Pakhet - Khajiit Dragonknight - Tank
Raksha - Khajiit Sorcerer - Stamina DPS
Bastet - Khajiit Templar - Healer
Leonin - Khajiit Warden - Tank0 -
WyldfireWyrm✭✭✭WyldfireWyrm wrote: »WyldfireWyrm wrote: »Is regen better than reduction? Or is that situational?
What do you mean by "reduction"? I ran Rapid Regen on my Templar until I got Purifying Light, Healing Ward, Purifying Ritual and Repentance. After that, the ability just felt useless in comparison. Its good for lower levels though.
As in mana regen or spell cost reduction
As a healer, spell cost reduction is more important. The magicka regen is second most important.
ok ty, I have all of my cp in reduction now and my jewelry I usually put reduction on as well. been getting my regen from cloth armor passives.
Any recommendations on what to put cp in for the other two? mage and warrior?
I don't pretend to know a ton about CPs. I just focus my points on magicka regen, spell resist, and spell cost reduction.0 -
Lord Xanhorn✭✭✭✭Mutagen, combat prayer, magelight, structured entropy....all abilities a lot of people say are must haves and they just aren't. There's really no must haves of any skills cause you can heal in so many different ways. I personally like Healing springs, Ward Ally, and BOL but there are many healers who can heal without any or all of my staples.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=qxigE-PvNUo
That's my healing build for reference.I'm kind of a small deal!0