Would you like free aim with the bows?

BigBoi314

I know I'm not the only one that would like to have free aim back with the bows, or at least a toggle option for free aim. The shooting with the bows is just too easy, plus I like to aim for the head. Tell me what you guys/gals think.

lathbury

I don't care

it wouldnt work why would you use a bow when your expensive leathal arrow may miss and by its flight time will miss. when you could use a destro staff and have all your skill hit all the time? this is an MMO not a single player RPG or FPS.

Aett_Thorn

No, I wouldn't like free aim or a toggle option

Free aim with bows/staves (because you'd need to include those as well) would just lead to severe frustration whenever you got into a heavy lag situation. all of the checks that bows would need would likely even add more lag to those situations.

Plus, then you'd have people complaining that because there is more skill involved, that they should do more damage, even though they themselves asked for this kind of system.

Vorpal_Spork

Everything should be aimed or they shouldn't call it an Elder Scrolls game. The badly disguised tab targeting was very disappointing.

BigBoi314

Yes, I'd like free aim or a toggle option

lathbury wrote: »

it wouldnt work why would you use a bow when your expensive leathal arrow may miss and by its flight time will miss. when you could use a destro staff and have all your skill hit all the time? this is an MMO not a single player RPG or FPS.

I never had a problem on Skyrim, why would it be a problem now?

Aett_Thorn

No, I wouldn't like free aim or a toggle option

BigBoi314 wrote: »

lathbury wrote: »

it wouldnt work why would you use a bow when your expensive leathal arrow may miss and by its flight time will miss. when you could use a destro staff and have all your skill hit all the time? this is an MMO not a single player RPG or FPS.

I never had a problem on Skyrim, why would it be a problem now?

MMO =/= single player game.

MisterJimothy

BigBoi314 wrote: »

lathbury wrote: »

it wouldnt work why would you use a bow when your expensive leathal arrow may miss and by its flight time will miss. when you could use a destro staff and have all your skill hit all the time? this is an MMO not a single player RPG or FPS.

I never had a problem on Skyrim, why would it be a problem now?

this is an MMO not a single player RPG or FPS <-- He just said the reason. The programming and capabilities of an MMO and an RPG are very different.

Take a look at this comic: http://xkcd.com/1425/

This same concept is why something like this can't be easily done in an MMO format.

lathbury

I don't care

wish I could find the comment I made when I called this. I knew we would have console players come here asking why they cant 1 shot headshot everything its because mmo's are different.
also there is another thread on this already on the first page of the forums.

BigBoi314

Yes, I'd like free aim or a toggle option

Aett_Thorn wrote: »

Free aim with bows/staves (because you'd need to include those as well) would just lead to severe frustration whenever you got into a heavy lag situation. all of the checks that bows would need would likely even add more lag to those situations.

Plus, then you'd have people complaining that because there is more skill involved, that they should do more damage, even though they themselves asked for this kind of system.

You wouldn't need it on staves,

Aett_Thorn wrote: »

BigBoi314 wrote: »

lathbury wrote: »

it wouldnt work why would you use a bow when your expensive leathal arrow may miss and by its flight time will miss. when you could use a destro staff and have all your skill hit all the time? this is an MMO not a single player RPG or FPS.

I never had a problem on Skyrim, why would it be a problem now?

MMO =/= single player game.

Doesn't matter. But about what you said that people would complain about them being able to do more damage, the basic attack could use a very slight buff.

BigBoi314

Yes, I'd like free aim or a toggle option

lathbury wrote: »

wish I could find the comment I made when I called this. I knew we would have console players come here asking why they cant 1 shot headshot everything its because mmo's are different.
also there is another thread on this already on the first page of the forums.

I'm not talking about 1 shot headshots, I just liked aiming for the head.

Aett_Thorn

No, I wouldn't like free aim or a toggle option

BigBoi314 wrote: »

Aett_Thorn wrote: »

Free aim with bows/staves (because you'd need to include those as well) would just lead to severe frustration whenever you got into a heavy lag situation. all of the checks that bows would need would likely even add more lag to those situations.

Plus, then you'd have people complaining that because there is more skill involved, that they should do more damage, even though they themselves asked for this kind of system.

You wouldn't need it on staves,

Aett_Thorn wrote: »

BigBoi314 wrote: »

lathbury wrote: »

it wouldnt work why would you use a bow when your expensive leathal arrow may miss and by its flight time will miss. when you could use a destro staff and have all your skill hit all the time? this is an MMO not a single player RPG or FPS.

I never had a problem on Skyrim, why would it be a problem now?

MMO =/= single player game.

Doesn't matter. But about what you said that people would complain about them being able to do more damage, the basic attack could use a very slight buff.

Why wouldn't you need it on staves? So staves shouldn't need to lead the target, but bows should? Why does that make any sense? Shouldn't all ranged attacks follow the same system? If not, you are unnecessarily gimping one weapon type over another.

Yes, it does very MUCH matter that this is an MMO versus a single target game. Keeping track of just one player that doesn't need to transmit data to any other computer versus a system that needs to process hundreds of player movements per second makes it very, very different.

Elsonso

No, I wouldn't like free aim or a toggle option

An option would have to default to the way it is today, which means that almost everyone would use the default. People who turned it off would forget they turned it off, or not realize what it did, or not notice that they turned it off accidentally and would complain that bows were worthless. I think that only a few would turn it off and leave it that way deliberately, probably mostly PVE players. If they were not good at aiming, count them as solo players because "do you have free aim turned off" would definitely come up in a group when the others notice the bow/staff guy isn't hitting anything.

Forcing everyone to use free aim would, as others have suggested, result in endless frustration, demands that it be removed, petitions, threats, coercion... it would be Text Box all over again. Bow and staff would rarely be seen, except by a few, probably only in PVE.

I think it would be impossible on the console. Aiming is much more touchy on the console than it is on PC. Yes, it can be done, but I expect not as widely among the players as the PC/Mac mouse people.

In the end, my feeling is that even an option is a waste of development money because adoption would be low.

Slater_Reed

No, I wouldn't like free aim or a toggle option

People keep forgetting this isnt really a true TES game, its an elder scrolls theme park mmo, i repeat, its an mmo, this isnt a TES game like skyrim, oblivion or morrowind. And in an mmo there are several things that dont enable the use of free aiming, (go watch Force Strategy gaming video about mmo combat, he says it all) In my understanding, most people getting disapointed by the game, are people that thought they were getting a new TES singl.. err multiplayer game, and not an mmo. I have played several TES franchise games before and i love them, but i knew from the start i was getting an mmo and not The Elder Scrolls: Skyrim 2.0 Multiplayer...

Merlin13KAGL

Damn limited option polls.

Other: Free aim should be an option, but supplemented with skill level and passives. Essentially, the grouping should become more focused as the line progresses, while still having some variation.

Tors

• lag wont allow for any aiming
• Consoles cant aim, then NEED auto aim, this is a console game

TequilaFire

I don't care

Tors wrote: »

• lag wont allow for any aiming
• Consoles cant aim, then NEED auto aim, this is a console game

Consoles have nothing to do with it, lag does however.
I challenge you to a 1v1 in Hardcore free aim Read Dead Redemption sir.

BigBoi314

Yes, I'd like free aim or a toggle option

A lot of these comments act as if it's impossible to create a free aim option, nothing is impossible!

R1ckyDaMan

Yes, I'd like free aim or a toggle option

BigBoi314 wrote: »

A lot of these comments act as if it's impossible to create a free aim option, nothing is impossible!

People seem to think that every MMORPG has to use the same combat mechanics and that it is would be impossible to use anything else.

Anyway this ship sailed a long time ago and the mechanics will not change at all so enjoy it as it is.

Psychobunni

No, I wouldn't like free aim or a toggle option

Yesterday morning in Cyrodiil (non prime time) I was choppy here and there, (who needs pc maintenance anymore? server resets are for sissies right ZOS?) anyway..I could not imagine trying to aim in the situations this game presents while lagging like a 98 year old grandma

EDIT: ZOS don't do toggles...options break immersion

smokes

No, I wouldn't like free aim or a toggle option

Had to vote no as this won't really work for an MMO

Single player game, or Vs PvE mobs, yea sure, but in an mmo that "time to aim" will cost you, every single time.

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FishBreath

Yes, I'd like free aim or a toggle option

Yes. Has anyone played Planetside 2? It can be done with a good game engine.

Jags666

Yes, I'd like free aim or a toggle option

A Bow is my Primary weapon (with DW daggers as alt). and it would be great if we could have free aim.

I loved the Bow mechanics and skill tree options in Skyrim and was a little disappointed with this simple point & shoot system. There is no real skill in actually using the bow.

NotSo

Yes, I'd like free aim or a toggle option

Yes. No toggle. All ranged projectiles.

Sausage

Yes, I'd like free aim or a toggle option

Id love it, but I dont think its possible. Only MMO Ive ever played with such a system was Darkfall and I loved it. I also think H1Z1 has it too, might be a reason to check it out because of it.

Forestd16b14_ESO

I don't care

Eh would be nice cause that would mean players with bow would actually learn how to use bows instead of just spamming lethal arrow but at the same time you be missing everything when trying to aim at some one.

BigBoi314

Yes, I'd like free aim or a toggle option

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Eh would be nice cause that would mean players with bow would actually learn how to use bows instead of just spamming lethal arrow but at the same time you be missing everything when trying to aim at some one.

I'm just talking about the basic attack for free aim, all the abilities should still be how they are.

lathbury

I don't care

BigBoi314 wrote: »

A lot of these comments act as if it's impossible to create a free aim option, nothing is impossible!

I think you'll find there are a lot of things that are impossible. breathing concrete for example

BigBoi314

Yes, I'd like free aim or a toggle option

lathbury wrote: »

BigBoi314 wrote: »

A lot of these comments act as if it's impossible to create a free aim option, nothing is impossible!

I think you'll find there are a lot of things that are impossible. breathing concrete for example

That IS possible...

QuebraRegra

Yes, I'd like free aim or a toggle option

i NEED freeaim with a bow! Not so much for fighting but a free aim and zoom for scouting! I cannot tell you how many times I've wanted to zoom in down the road and see a pack of NPCs or gankers waiting for me.

I could see a free aim with an area of affect bow skill (volley). The zoom/scouting bow feature shouldn't tell me exactly where a player is hidden, but could tint the view if the cross hair is within "x" meters (28-30m) of a hidden character. Some perks might be to highlight a non hidden character is within "x". Maybe even a skill (consume x stamina), so reveal/highlight a hidden player (like flare) within x range of the cross hair while zoomed.

Agreed that a free aim just for shooting would be a disaster with lag and the range issues.

DaveTheMinion

No, I wouldn't like free aim or a toggle option

I have Parkinson's and this game allows me to play and still have fun, I cannot play shooting games as all weapons come with extra recoil so for me its adventure games and nothing else, although I could be seen as having an advantage when slashing at things with button mashing speed but I chose to play the NB and although I haven't mastered the dynamics or build I am having a great time, so changing it to free aim would probably make me change my build, but that's just me.