ZoS Hates DKs - Heres Proof

vortexman11

PvP Video from the eyes of the DK we all love @Panda244

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mecbOriryg

No I lied. Not really a 2vX video, I know, sue me for false advertising, but I needed to get my own special comical point across to Zenimax for not fixing this god damn bug yet, it pisses me the hell off every time it happens, and it happens all the god damn time. Either way you guys should at least get some entertainment out of it! -Panda244

Gyudan

I think all classes are hated equally.

Teargrants

Gyudan wrote: »

I think all classes are hated equally.

Not NB.

Ghostbane

You know, this could have been the dialogue of me and mates coming home from the pub.

Good stuff.

Darkonflare15

Teargrants wrote: »

Gyudan wrote: »

I think all classes are hated equally.

Not NB.

Remember pre 1.5 days and they still have not fix shadow cloak class yet.

EIGHTS

No! ZoS hates Sorcerer and DC.

Everytime they nerf something.
Sorcerer is on the list definitely.

DC has the worst keeps design in Cyrodiil.

Emma_Overload

EIGHTS wrote: »

No! ZoS hates Sorcerer and DC.

Everytime they nerf something.
Sorcerer is on the list definitely.

DC has the worst keeps design in Cyrodiil.

As a DC Sorc, I can verify that this is true. DC probably won't even be allowed to play in the Imperial City, ever... but they'll happily charge us for the DLC!

BRogueNZ

L2P

xXNesTXx

BRogueNZ wrote: »

L2P

The best answer that they can get

Leandor

@vortexman11 did you try the crown store trick? It usually works for our dragon knights.

qsnoopyjr

ZoS hates templars

Sotha_Sil

In soviet russia, players hate Zenimax... oh wait.

Teargrants

Darkonflare15 wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Gyudan wrote: »

I think all classes are hated equally.

Not NB.

Remember pre 1.5 days and they still have not fix shadow cloak class yet.

Those days are long gone though, combat team rerolled NB & had fun w/ stam builds, now they want to switch to mag.

-The one day Fear was bugged to be blockable - hotfixed in 12 hrs. All other bugs: "wait till after console launch"
-Blink and dodge roll will be nerfed w/ huge cost increases, to match these changes in twilight zone fashion Cloak will no longer be broken by detect pots.
-Cloak will no longer be broken by gap closers/light/heavy atks cast before Cloak was cast
-Grim Focus proc decreased to 4 light/heavy atks
-W/ changes to block only siphon tanks will be able to perma block

Waylander

Great play Panda. Nice going destro caster on one bar and adding the mobility of mist form to partner with a sorc. DKs can put out so much DPS /pressure with destro.

Lionxoft

Teargrants wrote: »

Gyudan wrote: »

I think all classes are hated equally.

Not NB.

Not sorc.

Lionxoft

That 17fps is OP. I /facepalm for ZOS and their pitiful game performance.

Teargrants

Lionxoft wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Gyudan wrote: »

I think all classes are hated equally.

Not NB.

Not sorc.

As per Eric Wrobel

Bolt Escape is being changed so that it will cost 50% more if you cast it in a row. This will now stack! So the cost will increase by 50%, then 100%, then 150% and so on.

JDar

You all still deserve it. You all know you rolled DK because it was easy.

qsnoopyjr

Lionxoft wrote: »

That 17fps is OP. I /facepalm for ZOS and their pitiful game performance.

Yup totally game performance.

I mean, they perfectly happy with people getting buffs on a different server and actually playing and packing another server beyond its capacity.

I mean, if this is okay with them.. They should upgrade there servers to handle SOOOOOO many people guesting and stacking on one server.

With this option, requires people to have really good computer systems AND internet.. Because more people = more things going on = People need to upgrade there systems as well as ZOS upgrading theirs.

OR

Hit the root of the problem and slap a 75% reduction on AP while guesting.
Believe it or not, Azura Star is packed because all the GUESTS it has.

Those other servers???
Just a waste of space, no point in playing them, just a buff server.
All one color, nobody messes with them..
They all stack on one server..
Expect lag to happen when everyone ignores every other server and plays on one server.

Lionxoft

Teargrants wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Gyudan wrote: »

I think all classes are hated equally.

Not NB.

Not sorc.

As per Eric Wrobel

Bolt Escape is being changed so that it will cost 50% more if you cast it in a row. This will now stack! So the cost will increase by 50%, then 100%, then 150% and so on.

Heaven forbid you can't run away without a penalty of some sort. Is that all you've got as to why ZOS hates sorcs? Yet crystal frags will still have it's same relative power (afaik) when compared to other abilities which it's currently hitting 19k+. I've never been hit by another ability for that much which wasn't an execute, from stealth or had a cast time.

Everyone can argue why their class is being shunned and it's really a waste of time to discuss but nerfing Sorc's ability to peace out with next to no penalty was necessary. Escape mechanics in general regardless of class or game for that matter are bull crap anyways. There's no reason why someone should be able to disengage whenever they want. If you're spending more time watching people run away than getting kills or being killed then that is complete garbage pvp.

Lionxoft

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

That 17fps is OP. I /facepalm for ZOS and their pitiful game performance.

Yup totally game performance.

I mean, they perfectly happy with people getting buffs on a different server and actually playing and packing another server beyond its capacity.

I mean, if this is okay with them.. They should upgrade there servers to handle SOOOOOO many people guesting and stacking on one server.

With this option, requires people to have really good computer systems AND internet.. Because more people = more things going on = People need to upgrade there systems as well as ZOS upgrading theirs.

OR

Hit the root of the problem and slap a 75% reduction on AP while guesting.
Believe it or not, Azura Star is packed because all the GUESTS it has.

Those other servers???
Just a waste of space, no point in playing them, just a buff server.
All one color, nobody messes with them..
They all stack on one server..
Expect lag to happen when everyone ignores every other server and plays on one server.

AP is worthless though unless you plan on making an emp push. It doesn't really buy anything of value and it can't be exchanged for XP or any other form of character progression besides the AvA skill lines which that ends at a point as well. I don't even pay attention to the green numbers anymore because it's just not a handy currency for me personally.

Teargrants

Lionxoft wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Gyudan wrote: »

I think all classes are hated equally.

Not NB.

Not sorc.

As per Eric Wrobel

Bolt Escape is being changed so that it will cost 50% more if you cast it in a row. This will now stack! So the cost will increase by 50%, then 100%, then 150% and so on.

Heaven forbid you can't run away without a penalty of some sort. Is that all you've got as to why ZOS hates sorcs? Yet crystal frags will still have it's same relative power (afaik) when compared to other abilities which it's currently hitting 19k+. I've never been hit by another ability for that much which wasn't an execute, from stealth or had a cast time.

Everyone can argue why their class is being shunned and it's really a waste of time to discuss but nerfing Sorc's ability to peace out with next to no penalty was necessary. Escape mechanics in general regardless of class or game for that matter are bull crap anyways. There's no reason why someone should be able to disengage whenever they want. If you're spending more time watching people run away than getting kills or being killed then that is complete garbage pvp.

Please spare me the sorc QQ.

-NBs can easily bow dodge roll + speed boost sprint and keep up w/ bolt escape forever. One of those movement mechanics is being nerfed, one is not.

-Nothing hitting as hard as frags? Sure, snipe and wrecking blow don't exist I guess.

stewie_801

vortexman11 wrote: »

PvP Video from the eyes of the DK we all love @Panda244

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mecbOriryg

No I lied. Not really a 2vX video, I know, sue me for false advertising, but I needed to get my own special comical point across to Zenimax for not fixing this god damn bug yet, it pisses me the hell off every time it happens, and it happens all the god damn time. Either way you guys should at least get some entertainment out of it! -Panda244

I get entertainment fossilize spamming him just for the funny rage tells. And that day he told Zaz about it when 1 DK was doing it in the raid, so then every DK did it to him was the best. The rage tells Zaz got were hilarious.

I can't decide who's rage tells are better though, Crassus or OMFG. Both are always golden.

Shunravi

stewie_801 wrote: »

vortexman11 wrote: »

PvP Video from the eyes of the DK we all love @Panda244

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mecbOriryg

No I lied. Not really a 2vX video, I know, sue me for false advertising, but I needed to get my own special comical point across to Zenimax for not fixing this god damn bug yet, it pisses me the hell off every time it happens, and it happens all the god damn time. Either way you guys should at least get some entertainment out of it! -Panda244

I get entertainment fossilize spamming him just for the funny rage tells. And that day he told Zaz about it when 1 DK was doing it in the raid, so then every DK did it to him was the best. The rage tells Zaz got were hilarious.

I can't decide who's rage tells are better though, Crassus or OMFG. Both are always golden.

If you tink crassus' rage tells are funny, try being in guild with him...

stewie_801

Shunravi wrote: »

stewie_801 wrote: »

vortexman11 wrote: »

PvP Video from the eyes of the DK we all love @Panda244

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mecbOriryg

No I lied. Not really a 2vX video, I know, sue me for false advertising, but I needed to get my own special comical point across to Zenimax for not fixing this god damn bug yet, it pisses me the hell off every time it happens, and it happens all the god damn time. Either way you guys should at least get some entertainment out of it! -Panda244

I get entertainment fossilize spamming him just for the funny rage tells. And that day he told Zaz about it when 1 DK was doing it in the raid, so then every DK did it to him was the best. The rage tells Zaz got were hilarious.

I can't decide who's rage tells are better though, Crassus or OMFG. Both are always golden.

If you tink crassus' rage tells are funny, try being in guild with him...

I wish I could be in TS with him. I've heard it's pretty awesome when this stuff happens.

Bromburak

Teargrants wrote: »

Gyudan wrote: »

I think all classes are hated equally.

Not NB.

Haters gonna hate , they don't evaluate and they never appreciate anything.

Everyone who played ESO from the beginning, knows that NB was broken.
No functioning skills, passives and forced by the game to play magicka builds.

If someone wants this time back, they clearly out of their mind and understand nothing from class development in ESO since this game was released.

Teargrants

Bromburak wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Gyudan wrote: »

I think all classes are hated equally.

Not NB.

Haters gonna hate , they don't evaluate and they never appreciate anything.

Everyone who played ESO from the beginning, knows that NB was broken.
No functioning skills, passives and forced by the game to play magicka builds.

If someone wants this time back, they clearly out of their mind and understand nothing from class development in ESO since this game was released.

And extrapolaters gonna extrapolate random crap I never implied. The discussion is about the state of classes now and in the future, not 12 months ago.

Do I need to remind you?

Lionxoft

Teargrants wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Gyudan wrote: »

I think all classes are hated equally.

Not NB.

Not sorc.

As per Eric Wrobel

Bolt Escape is being changed so that it will cost 50% more if you cast it in a row. This will now stack! So the cost will increase by 50%, then 100%, then 150% and so on.

Heaven forbid you can't run away without a penalty of some sort. Is that all you've got as to why ZOS hates sorcs? Yet crystal frags will still have it's same relative power (afaik) when compared to other abilities which it's currently hitting 19k+. I've never been hit by another ability for that much which wasn't an execute, from stealth or had a cast time.

Everyone can argue why their class is being shunned and it's really a waste of time to discuss but nerfing Sorc's ability to peace out with next to no penalty was necessary. Escape mechanics in general regardless of class or game for that matter are bull crap anyways. There's no reason why someone should be able to disengage whenever they want. If you're spending more time watching people run away than getting kills or being killed then that is complete garbage pvp.

Please spare me the sorc QQ.

-NBs can easily bow dodge roll + speed boost sprint and keep up w/ bolt escape forever. One of those movement mechanics is being nerfed, one is not.

-Nothing hitting as hard as frags? Sure, snipe and wrecking blow don't exist I guess.

You can't read at all Teargrants. You really do defend sorcs blindly. Let's try again.

Lionxoft wrote:

Escape mechanics in general regardless of class or game for that matter are bull crap anyways. There's no reason why someone should be able to disengage whenever they want. If you're spending more time watching people run away than getting kills or being killed then that is complete garbage pvp.

^^ This means that all escape mechanics regardless of class or game make for garbage pvp in my opinion.

and another part of the post where you didn't read at all

Lionxoft wrote:

I've never been hit by another ability for that much[/i][/b] which wasn't an execute, from stealth or had a cast time.

Wrecking blow and snipe both have a cast time. Although to this day I've never been hit by a snipe or wrecking blow for over 19k damage. Crystal frags can hit for 19k+ without using stealth and as an instant cast when proc'd which is more often than not when you cycle through buffs.

Soulac

Teargrants wrote: »

Bromburak wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Gyudan wrote: »

I think all classes are hated equally.

Not NB.

Haters gonna hate , they don't evaluate and they never appreciate anything.

Everyone who played ESO from the beginning, knows that NB was broken.
No functioning skills, passives and forced by the game to play magicka builds.

If someone wants this time back, they clearly out of their mind and understand nothing from class development in ESO since this game was released.

And extrapolaters gonna extrapolate random crap I never implied. The discussion is about the state of classes now and in the future, not 12 months ago.

Do I need to remind you?

tbh these are predictions based on stuff we heard on a live stream and aren´t even on PTS.
We barely heard anything at all or do you think they change two skills for every class and that´s it?

Septimus_Magna

Lionxoft wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Gyudan wrote: »

I think all classes are hated equally.

Not NB.

Not sorc.

As per Eric Wrobel

Bolt Escape is being changed so that it will cost 50% more if you cast it in a row. This will now stack! So the cost will increase by 50%, then 100%, then 150% and so on.

Heaven forbid you can't run away without a penalty of some sort. Is that all you've got as to why ZOS hates sorcs? Yet crystal frags will still have it's same relative power (afaik) when compared to other abilities which it's currently hitting 19k+. I've never been hit by another ability for that much which wasn't an execute, from stealth or had a cast time.

Everyone can argue why their class is being shunned and it's really a waste of time to discuss but nerfing Sorc's ability to peace out with next to no penalty was necessary. Escape mechanics in general regardless of class or game for that matter are bull crap anyways. There's no reason why someone should be able to disengage whenever they want. If you're spending more time watching people run away than getting kills or being killed then that is complete garbage pvp.

Please spare me the sorc QQ.

-NBs can easily bow dodge roll + speed boost sprint and keep up w/ bolt escape forever. One of those movement mechanics is being nerfed, one is not.

-Nothing hitting as hard as frags? Sure, snipe and wrecking blow don't exist I guess.

You can't read at all Teargrants. You really do defend sorcs blindly. Let's try again.

Lionxoft wrote:

Escape mechanics in general regardless of class or game for that matter are bull crap anyways. There's no reason why someone should be able to disengage whenever they want. If you're spending more time watching people run away than getting kills or being killed then that is complete garbage pvp.

^^ This means that all escape mechanics regardless of class or game make for garbage pvp in my opinion.

and another part of the post where you didn't read at all

Lionxoft wrote:

I've never been hit by another ability for that much[/i][/b] which wasn't an execute, from stealth or had a cast time.

Wrecking blow and snipe both have a cast time. Although to this day I've never been hit by a snipe or wrecking blow for over 19k damage. Crystal frags can hit for 19k+ without using stealth and as an instant cast when proc'd which is more often than not when you cycle through buffs.

Not all escapes are getting nerfed, cloak is getting buffed.
Also sorcs heavily rely on BE because our shields are gone with any decent burst, half a burst even if the attacker is stam based. If you think most sorcs can tank a lot of damage you're wrong, sorcs need to move in order to survive. Thats why the BE nerf will ruin pvp sorcs, we will see this on pts I can assure you.

The 19k cfrags seem a bit high if you ask me, I have 3.1k spell dmg and 33k max magicka and the highest hit in pvp was around 16k on a debuffed, non-blocking target. Meanwhile the 19-20k snipes from stealth (where the attacker is completely safe) happen each and every day. Also with the current nirn meta most cfrags only hit for around 8k, most snipes hit for at least 12k.

Lionxoft

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Gyudan wrote: »

I think all classes are hated equally.

Not NB.

Not sorc.

As per Eric Wrobel

Bolt Escape is being changed so that it will cost 50% more if you cast it in a row. This will now stack! So the cost will increase by 50%, then 100%, then 150% and so on.

Heaven forbid you can't run away without a penalty of some sort. Is that all you've got as to why ZOS hates sorcs? Yet crystal frags will still have it's same relative power (afaik) when compared to other abilities which it's currently hitting 19k+. I've never been hit by another ability for that much which wasn't an execute, from stealth or had a cast time.

Everyone can argue why their class is being shunned and it's really a waste of time to discuss but nerfing Sorc's ability to peace out with next to no penalty was necessary. Escape mechanics in general regardless of class or game for that matter are bull crap anyways. There's no reason why someone should be able to disengage whenever they want. If you're spending more time watching people run away than getting kills or being killed then that is complete garbage pvp.

Please spare me the sorc QQ.

-NBs can easily bow dodge roll + speed boost sprint and keep up w/ bolt escape forever. One of those movement mechanics is being nerfed, one is not.

-Nothing hitting as hard as frags? Sure, snipe and wrecking blow don't exist I guess.

You can't read at all Teargrants. You really do defend sorcs blindly. Let's try again.

Lionxoft wrote:

Escape mechanics in general regardless of class or game for that matter are bull crap anyways. There's no reason why someone should be able to disengage whenever they want. If you're spending more time watching people run away than getting kills or being killed then that is complete garbage pvp.

^^ This means that all escape mechanics regardless of class or game make for garbage pvp in my opinion.

and another part of the post where you didn't read at all

Lionxoft wrote:

I've never been hit by another ability for that much[/i][/b] which wasn't an execute, from stealth or had a cast time.

Wrecking blow and snipe both have a cast time. Although to this day I've never been hit by a snipe or wrecking blow for over 19k damage. Crystal frags can hit for 19k+ without using stealth and as an instant cast when proc'd which is more often than not when you cycle through buffs.

Not all escapes are getting nerfed, cloak is getting buffed.
Also sorcs heavily rely on BE because our shields are gone with any decent burst, half a burst even if the attacker is stam based. If you think most sorcs can tank a lot of damage you're wrong, sorcs need to move in order to survive. Thats why the BE nerf will ruin pvp sorcs, we will see this on pts I can assure you.

The 19k cfrags seem a bit high if you ask me, I have 3.1k spell dmg and 33k max magicka and the highest hit in pvp was around 16k on a debuffed, non-blocking target. Meanwhile the 19-20k snipes from stealth (where the attacker is completely safe) happen each and every day. Also with the current nirn meta most cfrags only hit for around 8k, most snipes hit for at least 12k.

You must have not read where I think that all escapes create a garbage pvp experience. So I'll say it again but for the third time on this thread and to the second person that hasn't read it in context. All escapes regardless of class make for boring pvp. If you're experiencing more people running away than killing or being killed then that isn't fun. For me at least. I'm sure some people disagree but I'd go ahead and guess they are runners themselves.

Again, 19k crystal frags does not require stealth, can be an instant cast and also is not an execute. Give me an example that doesn't require stealth, execute range, ultimate or has a cast time. How many times in a keep battle or objective pvp are you attacking out of stealth where you gain the stealth damage bonus regardless of class? I'm sure it's a hell of a lot less than the amount of times crystal frags can proc with buffs in that duration.