Can't forget the little ones.

SG_Celerrimus

Everyone in Tamriel seems to be a fully grown adult, and it just feels odd that everyone in the world is like instantly an adult when they are born, or it sure seems that way. So, in order to add immersion and immersiveness, and believability in the world, some children NPCs should be added around cities and towns that live in some of the houses, like normal adult NPCs do, and run around the towns and cities playing with each other, then return to their houses every now and then.

This could fit into a player housing and home dwelling DLC quite well.

NotSo

ZOS was trying super hard to get an E rating and that meant no form of violence against children could exist / ZOS didn't consider making children unkillable like Bethesda does with Skyrim and Fallout.

Children would be a cool addition. Can really change the atmoshpere when in town.

NPC walking into any building does not exist in this game (besides scripted quest events). No NPC is influenced by the day/night cycle either. I don't think torches even light themselves at night (pretty sure they burn forever).

arena25

NotSo wrote: »

ZOS was trying super hard to get an E rating and that meant no form of violence against children could exist / ZOS didn't consider making children unkillable like Bethesda does with Skyrim and Fallout.

Children would be a cool addition. Can really change the atmoshpere when in town.

Actually, ZOS tried for a T rating, but it ended up on the border between T and M. Some cases of foul language pushed it into the M category.

JamilaRaj

SG_Celerrimus wrote: »

Everyone in Tamriel seems to be a fully grown adult, and it just feels odd that everyone in the world is like instantly an adult when they are born, or it sure seems that way.

It's Waidwen's legacy, mark my words.

Gidorick

Being a 5 star forum user who joined September 2013 I would think you would know about the search function @SG_Celerrimus. This topic has been discussed and insulted ad nauseum.

Here: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/search?adv=&search=where+are+the+Children?&title=&author=&cat=all&tags=&discussion_d=1&discussion_question=1&discussion_poll=1&comment_c=1&comment_answer=1&within=1+day&date=

The ONLY response we've ever received is:

ZOS_JasonLeavey wrote: »

randolphbenoit - Why no children in the game? Feels unreal only adults and chickens everywhere...

Hermaeus Mora knows...

And we discussed that here: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/161465/no-children-in-eso-hermaeus-mora-knows-why/p1

Chaos0720

And I know I'm going to sound like some hipster radicalist, but I blame society for this (I KNOW I KNOW I'M SORRY). But because of all the incidences where people can't seem to distinguish real life from video games, it has led companies to have certain realistic things not be allowed to be added to their games (children for example because of violence against children). Not that I agree with it nor do I think they should, but I'm surprised PETA didn't try to get animal violence removed from the game.

Point being, we can blame people that cant distinguish (or won't) real life from video games. These exclusions are not oversights. They are intentional, because of organizations like the ERSB (I think tthat's it, I don't feel like googling, cause I'm lazy), monitor them very heavily on their content.

And yes, as stated they could have made them unkillable, but at that point I think we're better without them. In my opinion it would be more immersion breaking to have everyone's children be invincible, but hey Timmy, once you turn 18, people can kill you. Even if your not a bad guy.

But that's just my personal opinion. I know it's not the only opinion out there.


Maybe everyone is sterile? Lol.

tpyriformis2011

Yes, just what I want - another Braith to enrich my gaming experience.

SG_Celerrimus

Gidorick wrote: »

Being a 5 star forum user who joined September 2013 I would think you would know about the search function @SG_Celerrimus. This topic has been discussed and insulted ad nauseum.

Here: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/search?adv=&search=where+are+the+Children?&title=&author=&cat=all&tags=&discussion_d=1&discussion_question=1&discussion_poll=1&comment_c=1&comment_answer=1&within=1+day&date=

The ONLY response we've ever received is:

ZOS_JasonLeavey wrote: »

randolphbenoit - Why no children in the game? Feels unreal only adults and chickens everywhere...

Hermaeus Mora knows...

And we discussed that here: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/161465/no-children-in-eso-hermaeus-mora-knows-why/p1

@Gidorick, Being someone who has played ESO for a very long time, and has been following ZOS for quite some time, even back before they really started talking about the beta publicly, I know that when public interest is really shown, ZOS can add things into the game.

For example, the game was originally intended to be a third person only game, the public kept asking for first person, now we have first person.

Thank you very much

Chaos0720

I don't understand what how many stars has to do with anything.... I only started posting on the forums last week and I'm already at two stars.... that doesn't make me any more knowledgeable than someone with 1 or no stars.

Psychobunni

Chaos0720 wrote: »

And I know I'm going to sound like some hipster radicalist, but I blame society for this (I KNOW I KNOW I'M SORRY). But because of all the incidences where people can't seem to distinguish real life from video games, it has led companies to have certain realistic things not be allowed to be added to their games (children for example because of violence against children). Not that I agree with it nor do I think they should, but I'm surprised PETA didn't try to get animal violence removed from the game.

Point being, we can blame people that cant distinguish (or won't) real life from video games. These exclusions are not oversights. They are intentional, because of organizations like the ERSB (I think tthat's it, I don't feel like googling, cause I'm lazy), monitor them very heavily on their content.

And yes, as stated they could have made them unkillable, but at that point I think we're better without them. In my opinion it would be more immersion breaking to have everyone's children be invincible, but hey Timmy, once you turn 18, people can kill you. Even if your not a bad guy.

But that's just my personal opinion. I know it's not the only opinion out there.


Maybe everyone is sterile? Lol.

I'm on the opposite end of that, I see things like "look at the flowers" (child murder reference from Walking Dead) for one example, being written in to our "entertainment" and I tend to believe it does lead to society becoming "more accepting" of things as such. BUT that really is a back and forth that we'd likely get mod'ed for

As for ESO, I would love to see unkillable children npc's running around, but I imagine it would start an avalanche of requests. Why are there only human children? Why can't I play a child? etc, etc

They likely figured more work than worth it

Gidorick

I'm all for raising awareness on things we want in game, OP just seems like you weren't aware of the discussions that have been had. Many of these retread thread just go round-and-round with the same points and same arguments. If you haven't read the previous discussions, you may want to. What was said in those threads may spark some new thoughts on the matter.

ON-DISCUSSION COMMENT: Not having children is pretty egregious but there might just be a reason that we are not yet aware of. Obviously there were kids around because we are finding their toys. The theories run from the soulburst prevented children from being born. That doesn't quite work because the soulburst only occurs 4 years before ESO. Of course... how long into the "Events of the elder scrolls online" do we escape Coldharbour? ESO takes place in 582.. but who's to say the actual year we escaped from Coldharbour isn't more like 595?

Another theory is that we are in a Dragonbreak which means everything we do in ESO is in an alternate timeline that will eventually be wiped from ever happening. I hope this isn't the case.

NotSo

No. Shutup. I want to see khajiit children going after fish now.

Blutengel

Gidorick wrote: »

Another theory is that we are in a Dragonbreak which means everything we do in ESO is in an alternate timeline that will eventually be wiped from ever happening. I hope this isn't the case.

MIND BLOWN!

I never even thought of this! If this was the case (it don't matter to me anyways because I'm enjoying eso so much) then ZOS could pretty much do what ever they wanted even release lore breaking things. Would this really be so bad? I would not want anything over the top but it would satisfy both types of player that are torn between wanting Dragons/pink ponies to the ones wanting epic TES dark and gritty stories.

I'm going to look into this Dragonbeak thing some more because this is one of the most interesting theories I've heard that's actually in TES.

Akavir_Sentinel

Why does this topic keep getting brought up? There are no children in ESO and there never will be.

NotSo

The topic keeps coming back because there is an obvious desire for immersion. Lack of children (and elderlies) really breaks the atmosphere, imo.

Akavir_Sentinel

NotSo wrote: »

The topic keeps coming back because there is an obvious desire for immersion. Lack of children (and elderlies) really breaks the atmosphere, imo.

Rosveen

It's better to have no children at all than creepy copy-pasted clones like Skyrim.

Zershar_Vemod

Dead horse topic sadly, OP.

You'll soon see loons saying children in TESO will create real-life child murderers (that BS has literally been said on these forums by unstable, so-called, "parents").

Would be nice to see ZOS add children in this game, but sadly any chances of that happening are very low thanks to vocal morons.

Gidorick

Zershar_Vemod wrote: »

Dead horse topic sadly, OP.

You'll soon see loons saying children in TESO will create real-life child murderers (that BS has literally been said on these forums by unstable, so-called, "parents").

Would be create to see children in this game, but sadly any chances of that happening are very low thanks to vocal morons.

wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.... wait....

wait....

wait.

So you're implying that actions in a fictional world don't automatically fill the player with urges to mimic those actions in real life?

Zershar_Vemod

Gidorick wrote: »

Zershar_Vemod wrote: »

Dead horse topic sadly, OP.

You'll soon see loons saying children in TESO will create real-life child murderers (that BS has literally been said on these forums by unstable, so-called, "parents").

Would be create to see children in this game, but sadly any chances of that happening are very low thanks to vocal morons.

wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.... wait....

wait....

wait.

So you're implying that actions in a fictional world don't automatically fill the player with urges to mimic those actions in real life?

I know, right? lol.

The parent on the crusade against apparent future child-killers was attacking anyone who said otherwise.

Gidorick

Zershar_Vemod wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Zershar_Vemod wrote: »

Dead horse topic sadly, OP.

You'll soon see loons saying children in TESO will create real-life child murderers (that BS has literally been said on these forums by unstable, so-called, "parents").

Would be create to see children in this game, but sadly any chances of that happening are very low thanks to vocal morons.

wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.... wait....

wait....

wait.

So you're implying that actions in a fictional world don't automatically fill the player with urges to mimic those actions in real life?

I know, right? lol.

The parent on the crusade against apparent future child-killers was attacking anyone who said otherwise.

On an M rated game? Say it isn't so!!

LOL. ok. sarcasm over. I hope there is a legitimate lore reason for there not being kids. Same as I hope there are legitimate lore reasons for fire and ice horses.

I know I hope in vain.

But I still hope.

NotSo

The kids are on fire. Gotta keep them all deep in the snow.

Vorpal_Spork

SG_Celerrimus wrote: »

Everyone in Tamriel seems to be a fully grown adult, and it just feels odd that everyone in the world is like instantly an adult when they are born, or it sure seems that way. So, in order to add immersion and immersiveness, and believability in the world, some children NPCs should be added around cities and towns that live in some of the houses, like normal adult NPCs do, and run around the towns and cities playing with each other, then return to their houses every now and then.

This could fit into a player housing and home dwelling DLC quite well.

Agreed. I saw a baby crib in the game and it reminded me how fake the world is.

NotSo

Requesting some npc's craddle their babies.

Noomfy-Mop

Blutengel wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Another theory is that we are in a Dragonbreak which means everything we do in ESO is in an alternate timeline that will eventually be wiped from ever happening. I hope this isn't the case.

MIND BLOWN!

I never even thought of this! If this was the case (it don't matter to me anyways because I'm enjoying eso so much) then ZOS could pretty much do what ever they wanted even release lore breaking things. Would this really be so bad? I would not want anything over the top but it would satisfy both types of player that are torn between wanting Dragons/pink ponies to the ones wanting epic TES dark and gritty stories.

I'm going to look into this Dragonbeak thing some more because this is one of the most interesting theories I've heard that's actually in TES.

It's hard to say but if ZOS are smart they WONT do anything lore breaking.
I made a thread about a week ago asking people where they think ESO is headed expansion wise, new playable races, new abilities etc. and it was quite clear.. Quite blindingly clear actually that people didn't want new races, they didn't want a lvl cap increase and they most definately did NOT want anything that contradicted elder scrolls lore.
Some went as far as to say that if something lore breaking was introduced that they'd frisbee their copy of ESO out the window.. Which, honestly, I don't think affects anyone but them. ZOS already has your money. You can do what you want with the game now. they don't care. It just means that you'll have to buy another copy when you realise how much you miss the game and ZOS wins again lol ;P


http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/186991/anyone-else-waiting-for-eso-to-take-the-path-of-wow-not-become-wow-2#latest

A link to the thread I made if anyone's interested at all.

Zershar_Vemod

Vorpal_Spork wrote: »

SG_Celerrimus wrote: »

Everyone in Tamriel seems to be a fully grown adult, and it just feels odd that everyone in the world is like instantly an adult when they are born, or it sure seems that way. So, in order to add immersion and immersiveness, and believability in the world, some children NPCs should be added around cities and towns that live in some of the houses, like normal adult NPCs do, and run around the towns and cities playing with each other, then return to their houses every now and then.

This could fit into a player housing and home dwelling DLC quite well.

Agreed. I saw a baby crib in the game and it reminded me how fake the world is.

There are also bronzed baby teeth, etc. in game as well.

aenaerion

All interesting stuff but I can't see why its an issue, there were kids in the other games and you couldn't attack them. Just do the same here and the problem is sorted

mrskinskull

Chaos0720 wrote: »

I don't understand what how many stars has to do with anything.... I only started posting on the forums last week and I'm already at two stars.... that doesn't make me any more knowledgeable than someone with 1 or no stars.

Its a reasonable point. And every time the game is updated it is a different build, and thus a new chance to review or renew certain questions or themes.

I don't plan on sifting through year old forum flames that applied to an old build or an old development stance.


You shouldn't be expected either.

Forestd16b14_ESO

arena25 wrote: »

NotSo wrote: »

ZOS was trying super hard to get an E rating and that meant no form of violence against children could exist / ZOS didn't consider making children unkillable like Bethesda does with Skyrim and Fallout.

Children would be a cool addition. Can really change the atmoshpere when in town.

Actually, ZOS tried for a T rating, but it ended up on the border between T and M. Some cases of foul language pushed it into the M category.

Uh no ZoS wanted ESO to be M rated to begin with it was the accountings that wanted a T rateing so teens could buy it and make more money but the programers such as Gina and Jason said no cause the wanted it to be a M rated like all other ES games and they still do. So wanna blame crown store on any one blame the accountians and not the programers there the money hungry people not the programers.

Phinix1

tpyriformis2011 wrote: »

Yes, just what I want - another Braith to enrich my gaming experience.

Un-killable by justice system because rated M for mature. Un-pocket-pickable because stranger danger!

Most annoying voice actor available.

Someone mentioned this way back and suggested there was a lore-based reason, that we are not actually back in Tamriel, but rather some elaborate dream-world pocket realm of Oblivion ruled by Vermina.

Somehow the absence of children was like the black cat in the Matrix; a sign of something "not quite right."

Phinix1

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

...but the programers such as Gina and Jason said no cause the wanted it to be a M rated like all other ES games and they still do.

Gina is a programmer? God I like her even more now. Stupid magnets. :P