Mysterious Akavir

ADirtyLiberal

I'm surprised zenimax hasn't already thought of this. An Akaviri crafting motif would quickly become a hot seller in the crown store, and is entirely lore friendly. Designs could be drawn from classic blades equipment from previous elder scrolls games (which are in turn based on traditional Japanese arms and armor). Adding designs for pieces of equipment not traditionally used by the blades would be as simple as looking at traditional Japanese equipment and adding artistic embellishment. I've compiled a quick list for the convenience of the reader.

Sword- wakizashi
axe- ono
hammer- kanabo
great sword- katana
great axe- large ono
maul- two handed kanabo
Dagger- Tanto
Shield- Chinese style
Staff- nyobou
bow- Yumi

Also, to speed up the process of players being able to craft rarer motifs such as dwarven, primal, ancient elf, etc. I suggest making a crown style materials pack, where a player may purchase bulk style materials for crowns. I know many players would love to purchase bulk daedra hearts etc to have access to rarer cosmetic items earlier.

Also worthy of being considered is a crown dye pack, which will allow access to various dyes without having to unlock them through an associated achievement.

bazantik

ADirtyLiberal wrote: »

I'm surprised zenimax hasn't already thought of this. An Akaviri crafting motif would quickly become a hot seller...

That's true, maybe it will be possible in the future. For now, we can see an Akaviri style on a reward in Fighters guild quest line.

Also, to speed up the process of players being able to craft rarer motifs such as dwarven, primal, ancient elf, etc. I suggest making a crown style materials pack, where a player may purchase bulk style materials for crowns. I know many players would love to purchase bulk daedra hearts etc to have access to rarer cosmetic items earlier.

Don't be hasty :-) BTW, you can buy them in most guild stores by spending your in-game golds.

Also worthy of being considered is a crown dye pack, which will allow access to various dyes without having to unlock them through an associated achievement.

Completely disagree. Unlocking colors through achievements is one of the small possibilities to show that you played the game for some time, that you're maybe an experienced player. It's a reward for you, so don't spoil it for yourself ;-) Yes, it takes some time, but I really hope, that majority of players like it and want it. We want to do all the "weird" things like fishing for hours in every zone to fulfill the achievement and get the title Master Angler etc..

Surragard

Not quite so sure on the lore friendly side. This game takes place before the Blades were formed. Granted it appears the Akaviri crafted their armor the same way before serving Tiber Septim as they did afterwards but there would probably be some level of differentiation. I also agree with @bazantik that the Fighter's Guild armor essentially serves this purpose so they will probably concentrate on something different for the crown store. I also agree that dyes should stay achievement based to give some incentive to play rather than just buy everything but unfortunately I wouldn't be surprised if we see dye packs in the near future.

Aerathnor

Surragard wrote: »

Not quite so sure on the lore friendly side. This game takes place before the Blades were formed. Granted it appears the Akaviri crafted their armor the same way before serving Tiber Septim as they did afterwards but there would probably be some level of differentiation. I also agree with @bazantik that the Fighter's Guild armor essentially serves this purpose so they will probably concentrate on something different for the crown store. I also agree that dyes should stay achievement based to give some incentive to play rather than just buy everything but unfortunately I wouldn't be surprised if we see dye packs in the near future.

The Ebonheart pact was formed to fend off an Akaviri invasion 10 (?) years prior to the events of ESO. The presence of many Akaviri items in Morrowind (the game) was explained as them being common there because the Akaviri tend to invade there when they do invade.

It's fair to say that there would be plenty of Akaviri items available due to the recent invasion so a motif would be plenty lore friendly.

FancyTuna8

If they ever do Akiviri in a future game, I hope it isn't just Japanese/Samurai armor. There are many interesting styles in Asia, and if Akiviri is going to be Asian-influenced in design, I hope they also include ancient India, Khmer, and southeast Asian empires as well in influencing armor and weapons.
Would really, really love if they branched out weapons more to include Asian types.

Surragard

Aerathnor wrote: »

Surragard wrote: »

Not quite so sure on the lore friendly side. This game takes place before the Blades were formed. Granted it appears the Akaviri crafted their armor the same way before serving Tiber Septim as they did afterwards but there would probably be some level of differentiation. I also agree with @bazantik that the Fighter's Guild armor essentially serves this purpose so they will probably concentrate on something different for the crown store. I also agree that dyes should stay achievement based to give some incentive to play rather than just buy everything but unfortunately I wouldn't be surprised if we see dye packs in the near future.

The Ebonheart pact was formed to fend off an Akaviri invasion 10 (?) years prior to the events of ESO. The presence of many Akaviri items in Morrowind (the game) was explained as them being common there because the Akaviri tend to invade there when they do invade.

It's fair to say that there would be plenty of Akaviri items available due to the recent invasion so a motif would be plenty lore friendly.

Well said. Do we know if the Akaviri armor was crafted in the same style as what we see the Blades wearing?

Aerathnor

Surragard wrote: »

Aerathnor wrote: »

Surragard wrote: »

Not quite so sure on the lore friendly side. This game takes place before the Blades were formed. Granted it appears the Akaviri crafted their armor the same way before serving Tiber Septim as they did afterwards but there would probably be some level of differentiation. I also agree with @bazantik that the Fighter's Guild armor essentially serves this purpose so they will probably concentrate on something different for the crown store. I also agree that dyes should stay achievement based to give some incentive to play rather than just buy everything but unfortunately I wouldn't be surprised if we see dye packs in the near future.

The Ebonheart pact was formed to fend off an Akaviri invasion 10 (?) years prior to the events of ESO. The presence of many Akaviri items in Morrowind (the game) was explained as them being common there because the Akaviri tend to invade there when they do invade.

It's fair to say that there would be plenty of Akaviri items available due to the recent invasion so a motif would be plenty lore friendly.

Well said. Do we know if the Akaviri armor was crafted in the same style as what we see the Blades wearing?

That I can't answer. The in lore descriptions of the Akaviri races are unreliable at best, the Tsaeci (snake men) being the biggest offender as some describe them like the lamea and others use the "snake men" descriptor in reference to their demeanor rather than looks. Theoretically Akaviri armor could be wildly different from anything that might fit a humanoid, and other than the blades in oblivion and skyrim, there are no examples of "akaviri" armor, morrowind only had weaponry. It could be that the blades crafted armor to look like Akaviri armor, but fit a humanoid, or they actually use old Akaviri armor.

The weapon styles would likely remain consistent, so there's not really a problem with Japanese style weapons being included, the armor is just a completely different story.

Edit: Did some refresher reading, it is said that the Tsaeci brought the secrets of Dai Katanas and Dragonscale armor to the empire after they were defeated at Pale Pass and absorbed into the imperial army by Reman I. He used several Tsaeci as potentates and Tsaeci actually ruled the empire early in the second Era until the Morag Tong assassinated them (which sparked the interegnum and the three alliance war we have now). The blades were in existence since Reman I first absorbed them at Pale Pass in the 1E, they were just known as the "Akaviri Dragonguard" and existed primarily to hunt dragons. They do not exist in any public form currently as they only serve Dragonborn emperors and many former Akaviri Dragonguard actually helped form the Fighter's Guild (which explains their arms and armor).

What this all means is that an Akaviri Motif would likely have "draconic" design schemes, use Dragonscale as its style material, and look similar to the blades armor. It also means that ESO takes place after a recent large scale cultural exchange with the Akaviri so their arms and armor would be more common in more than just in Morrowind, making it even more Lore friendly.

Selique

Aren't the PvP sets based off of an Akiviri Motif?

Lettigall

Aerathnor wrote: »

Surragard wrote: »

Not quite so sure on the lore friendly side. This game takes place before the Blades were formed. Granted it appears the Akaviri crafted their armor the same way before serving Tiber Septim as they did afterwards but there would probably be some level of differentiation. I also agree with @bazantik that the Fighter's Guild armor essentially serves this purpose so they will probably concentrate on something different for the crown store. I also agree that dyes should stay achievement based to give some incentive to play rather than just buy everything but unfortunately I wouldn't be surprised if we see dye packs in the near future.

The Ebonheart pact was formed to fend off an Akaviri invasion 10 (?) years prior to the events of ESO. The presence of many Akaviri items in Morrowind (the game) was explained as them being common there because the Akaviri tend to invade there when they do invade.

It's fair to say that there would be plenty of Akaviri items available due to the recent invasion so a motif would be plenty lore friendly.

If, I'm not mistaken that, attack was by Kamal, Snow demons. Different culture from Akavir continent and don't think they had any influence on Blades armor design. Design what was influenced by Akavir race who invaded Tamriel in 1E.

vasdrakken

actually there are akivari items in the game already... mostly quest items and so forth but not really Asian style at all... It is more brigantine and plate than anything. The one helm is sorta a take on a samurai if you consider they did not make metal samurai amour since they were killing unarmed workers in clothing not amour. The weapons are definitely European and some of the cooler swords I'd hate to lose that style because of one helm that sorta looks Asian... there is a site that shows where the styles come from I know I saw it at one point.

Aerathnor

Lettigall wrote: »

Aerathnor wrote: »

Surragard wrote: »

Not quite so sure on the lore friendly side. This game takes place before the Blades were formed. Granted it appears the Akaviri crafted their armor the same way before serving Tiber Septim as they did afterwards but there would probably be some level of differentiation. I also agree with @bazantik that the Fighter's Guild armor essentially serves this purpose so they will probably concentrate on something different for the crown store. I also agree that dyes should stay achievement based to give some incentive to play rather than just buy everything but unfortunately I wouldn't be surprised if we see dye packs in the near future.

The Ebonheart pact was formed to fend off an Akaviri invasion 10 (?) years prior to the events of ESO. The presence of many Akaviri items in Morrowind (the game) was explained as them being common there because the Akaviri tend to invade there when they do invade.

It's fair to say that there would be plenty of Akaviri items available due to the recent invasion so a motif would be plenty lore friendly.

If, I'm not mistaken that, attack was by Kamal, Snow demons. Different culture from Akavir continent and don't think they had any influence on Blades armor design. Design what was influenced by Akavir race who invaded Tamriel in 1E.

Yeah I found that as well when I was refreshing myself on the Lore. In my post after that though I wrote about how ESO is post Akaviri Potentates and the Akaviri Dragonguard had already been part of the empire. So there was a lot of Tsaeci influence in tamriel fairly recent to the events of ESO. Specifically that they brought the secrets of Dai Katanas and Dragonscale armor with them.

You are correct though, I was going off the Stonefalls load screen flavor text that just mentions that an Akaviri army fell there, not which race(s) were involved. I haven't a clue of what Kamal gear (if they even use any) would be like as the race Tamriel has had the most contact with are the Tsaeci

QueenAyrenn

No crown store dyes or materials. Dyes have to be earned. Materials either earned, or purchased from AH. Well... once we get an AH.

Surragard

QueenAyrenn wrote: »

No crown store dyes or materials. Dyes have to be earned. Materials either earned, or purchased from AH. Well... once we get an AH.

I forgot that dyes were even part of the OP lol. As far as we what ZoS has announced to date there are no plans for a global AH. The devs seem determined to make the Guild Store concept work. My personal experience/two cents with it hasn't been that great as I often find that the Guild Traders have nothing for sale.