Should the cost of Talons increase after every use, the same as Bolt Escape?

BugCollector

Discuss.

Seaber

No but root immunity should be a thing

Azalin76

No but there should be a CD period before you can be rooted again like the knockdown CD.

LtCrunch

No, but you should be granted an immunity to roots just like you're CC immunity. Once you roll out of talons you should be immune to any roots for X amount of time.

DisgracefulMind

No, and people should stop crying for nerfs every opportunity they get. It's ridiculous.

BugCollector

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

No, and people should stop crying for nerfs every opportunity they get. It's ridiculous.

seems to me that your favorite characters is a DK, seeing his PvP rank. Goodbye!

Yolokin_Swagonborn

wow nearly a year later and this debate never dies. Nerf everything.

LtCrunch

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

No, and people should stop crying for nerfs every opportunity they get. It's ridiculous.

Are you saying root immunity should not be a thing? If so why do you think that? Why does CC deserve an immunity timer but a root does not justify an immunity timer?

Personofsecrets

remove one shotting and then we can discuss fixing the inconvenient things.

PBpsy

I propose everything to have increase cost per use . Let's make the game as uniformly boring and tedious as possible.

Akavir_Sentinel

How about we make every skill, for every class, have the exact same cost, the exact same effect, the exact same duration, and do the exact same amount of damage. Maybe then PvP'ers will stop crying for nerfs. On second thought, they'd still probably find something to cry about.

dlepi24

I'd rather see them make siege unusable x amount of space from a keep than to nerf classes even more. Like stated above though, I wouldn't mind seeing some kind of root immunity for 5 seconds.

Psychobunni

Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »

How about we make every skill, for every class, have the exact same cost, the exact same effect, the exact same duration, and do the exact same amount of damage. Maybe then PvP'ers will stop crying for nerfs. On second thought, they'd still probably find something to cry about.

Actually, I said something along the lines of that before....I realize that ZOS said at some point (players claim) that they wanted players to be able to change in and out of PVE/PVP at will (something along those lines)....however, no one does.
There are PVP builds/gears and PVE builds/gears, so build on that.

Expand the two lines of skills from PVP into many skills/lines you unlock as you move through the ranks...each with a stamina and magicka morph.....and have those skills be the only skills you can choose from for PVP.

If ZOS was reasonable consistent nerfs to skills would prove to them that PVP and PVE can not work hand in hand. You can't design an AI fight to act like a human player and cover all the bases of how a human would react in a different situations and vice versa.

Right now there is an ungodly marriage between PVE and PVP, going rounds and rounds fighting better suited to the Jerry Springer Show than fun in a game. A circle jerk of sorts where any new addition to one side screws up the other, so a fix is put in...starting the circle over again.

TLDR: Divorce PVE and PVP, they don't want to be married. @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_GinaBruno

Mos-De-Atmo

Seaber wrote: »

No but root immunity should be a thing.

Yes! I am not sure why it isn't a thing already now that you mention it...

Forestd16b14_ESO

No and again no. If it ever becomes yes then RD should cost more cloak should cost more snipe should cost more and WB and so on.

SOLDIER_1stClass

No.

Just because they did this to one skill and to an escape mechanic does not mean its a good idea for all skills. Calm down let the moment pass and figure out ways to make buff suggestions to Zenimax that is supported by the community to get the game play fixed.

Crying for nerf after nerf has just hurt PVE and PvP more than it has helped it.

In my honest opinion they should go back to 1.5 and soft caps with the addition of cloaks new changes, DK new ability, keep the changes to dodging, choose between either the over all shield nerf or the bolt escape nerf not both and finally find a middle ground for a tanking brethren for PVE.

King Bozo

Why do people start nerf threads? Do we need more of them? Discuss

lathbury

King Bozo wrote: »

Why do people start nerf threads? Do we need more of them? Discuss

i would say giving everyone a root immunity like cc is more of a buff.

Corrupted_Soul

Nope.

dodgehopper_ESO

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

No, and people should stop crying for nerfs every opportunity they get. It's ridiculous.

The issue isn't about nerfing everything. They're already nerfing everything. The problem is by nerfing other things they are making already very powerful abilities, that were always very powerful even more so. Talons is one of the most brutal abilities in the DK arsenal, and if people can't roll out of it, it will be the I win button. Just grab a few DK's to run in, Talon, and Detonate on your group. Boom dead. Its a strategy even an imbecile can come up with, and it would work. Everything needs a counter, and that's the problem with Talons particularly given what they plan to do.

DisgracefulMind

BugCollector wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

No, and people should stop crying for nerfs every opportunity they get. It's ridiculous.

seems to me that your favorite characters is a DK, seeing his PvP rank. Goodbye!

I don't PvP pretty much at all anymore, and the last one I did was on my Templar. Don't make rude comments at me if you don't know a thing about me in the first place.

DisgracefulMind

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

No, and people should stop crying for nerfs every opportunity they get. It's ridiculous.

The issue isn't about nerfing everything. They're already nerfing everything. The problem is by nerfing other things they are making already very powerful abilities, that were always very powerful even more so. Talons is one of the most brutal abilities in the DK arsenal, and if people can't roll out of it, it will be the I win button. Just grab a few DK's to run in, Talon, and Detonate on your group. Boom dead. Its a strategy even an imbecile can come up with, and it would work. Everything needs a counter, and that's the problem with Talons particularly given what they plan to do.

I'd rather see how everything works out in 1.7 than to have the community continue to cry and cry for nerfs based off of what? PvP?

RinaldoGandolphi

Nah roots are fine as is.

You dont always have to roll out of a root. I fight inside roots and kill players while rooted all the time. A root dont disable your player so it shouldn't give immunity. Knowing when to roll out of a root and when to stand and fight in one seperstes player skill, just because your rooted doesn't mean you should always roll out, depends on the situation and circumstances, its one of the strategy choices in this game I like.

nothing2591

Im having way to fun spamming bombard on dks and other heavy armor perma blockers, so no cc immunity to root please

tengri

Why not create a "soldier" class, everyone is transformed into that when entering Cyrodiil, everyone has the exact the same skillines, stats, armor and be done with it?
PvP players can then brag with pride when they win over anyone by using real "skill" and PvE does not get polluted by ridiculous demands from the dark side.
On top of that PvP lag will be gone because said soldier class would not get any skills that are know to cause lag. And at least half of the PvP crowd would instantly quit because no more unfair advantages.
Everyone wins. Discuss. Or not.

Nyghthowler

I've said this before and I'll repeat it;

PvP'ers should get appearance armor with no stats. Weapons should do uniform damage with only light and heavy attacks. ALL class abilities are disabled. Then they will have an even playing field and stop getting my damned PvE part of the game nerfed into complete crap.

Sharee

This issue was mentioned to Eric right during the live just a minute after he announced the roll nerf, so chances are, it won't be overlooked.

Joy_Division

Brandalf wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

No, and people should stop crying for nerfs every opportunity they get. It's ridiculous.

Are you saying root immunity should not be a thing? If so why do you think that? Why does CC deserve an immunity timer but a root does not justify an immunity timer?

If you are rooted, you can still fight back, block, bash, heal; it's just an inconvenience. If you are CCed, you can do nothing and in 1.6 risk insta-death.

The two are on a whole different level entirely.

kkravaritieb17_ESO

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The_Sadist

As an individual who doesn't PvP much, no thanks.

Sharee

Joy_Division wrote: »

Brandalf wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

No, and people should stop crying for nerfs every opportunity they get. It's ridiculous.

Are you saying root immunity should not be a thing? If so why do you think that? Why does CC deserve an immunity timer but a root does not justify an immunity timer?

If you are rooted, you can still fight back, block, bash, heal; it's just an inconvenience.

You cannot fight back if your attacker stands behind you, and you cannot turn to face him if you are rooted.
Right now it is not a problem because you can just roll out of it.