2 More Veteran Ranks - WHO WANTS THIS

Anxileel

I certainly did not ask for this and do we need this; in my opinion no and this game does not need anymore grinding elements to it. We payed for this game and no new content has come out for Months. The Champion System is becoming broken and difficult to compete with for the new players who can not catch up to players who have a thousand Champion points in each branch- HOW IS THAT FAIR.

Give me your opinions on this matter and spread this message so that ZOS will react.

Skwor

I want this, this is one of the best things ZEN can do for the game.

This is an MMO and in MMOs progression and content is the key, we went far to long without either, this is a great start in the right direction.

I understand some people may be upset and I would ask them to learn what an MMO is about. There will always be gear that gets outdated that is the life in an MMO, if you are not aware of this I suggest you get used to the idea. Gear and materials will always become obsolete, that is how MMO's work to keep the game interesting and moving forward.

Lolimsopro

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This must be like the 10th thread in 30minutes about this.

Anxileel

Skwor wrote: »

I want this, this is one of the best things ZEN can do for the game.

This is an MMO and in MMO's progression and content is the key, we went far to long without either, this is a great start in the right direction.

I would agree with that statement if there was any new content behind it to back it up and currently there is none.

Mashille

@Lolimsopro

"This must be like the 10th thread in 30minutes about this."

There's a reason for that...

Because Almost No One Wants it to happen and perhaps the community speaking up can change ZOS' mind.

Skwor

keybaud wrote: »

@Lolimsopro

This must be like the 10th thread in 30minutes about this."

There's a reason for that...

Because Almost No One Wants it to happen and perhaps the community speaking up can change ZOS' mind.

I disagree, many want this. As with most forums typically the aggrieved post the most to complain, those who like this are not as motivated to post as this is what they want.

Anxileel

keybaud wrote: »

@Lolimsopro

This must be like the 10th thread in 30minutes about this."

There's a reason for that...

Because Almost No One Wants it to happen and perhaps the community speaking up can change ZOS' mind.

Exactly we have asked for change in the way the community wants ESO to but ZOS is not and with this recent news we cannot let this happen. We must get ESO to a brighter future not a grind fest that will put people of this game for good.

Akavir_Sentinel

Have the additional two veteran ranks been added yet? No. Now stop whining about no additional content.

The increase to VR16 will come with new content. More information will be available on July 13th. Try to keep your whining in check until then.

Skwor

Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »

Have the additional two veteran ranks been added yet? No. Now stop whining about no additional content.

The increase to VR16 will come with new content. More information will be available on July 13th. Try to keep your whining in check until then.

^ QFT ^

Vicodine

+1 I want this.

Get your facts straight. VR16 comes with AT LEAST imperial city.

Either get all the info you can before you make a post with a statement or don't post it at all. The forum is getting full of posts made by misinformed dipsh*ts. Don't be one of them. Just stahp.

JD2013

Yep I want this because this is coming with Imperial City. I want progression with my content, more skill points, more attribute points, and more than just endlessly grinding champion points.

Etharian

Anxileel wrote: »

I certainly did not ask for this and do we need this; in my opinion no and this game does not need anymore grinding elements to it. We payed for this game and no new content has come out for Months. The Champion System is becoming broken and difficult to compete with for the new players who can not catch up to players who have a thousand Champion points in each branch- HOW IS THAT FAIR.

Give me your opinions on this matter and spread this message so that ZOS will react.

who wants it>? me... its called progression. Stop whining already about more vet levels, they are already increasing xp for it you babies.

LEGENDARYYY

I want this too maybe OP should watch the whole episode of ESO Live and not just two minutes of it.

Shimmer

What MMO in the history of MMO's hasnt added levels when they add new content??? Seriously, this isnt a Elder Scrolls single player game, this is a MMO. This happens....

NotSo

Let me tell you how bullshpoop it is that any mmo has to increase the level cap to achieve a new sort of progression. Change the mmo meta.

Shimmer

NotSo wrote: »

Let me tell you how bullshpoop it is that any mmo has to increase the level cap to achieve a new sort of progression. Change the mmo meta.

If new progression wasnt introduced, you would get bored very quickly.

LtCrunch

Skwor wrote: »

I want this, this is one of the best things ZEN can do for the game.

This is an MMO and in MMOs progression and content is the key, we went far to long without either, this is a great start in the right direction.

I understand some people may be upset and I would ask them to learn what an MMO is about. There will always be gear that gets outdated that is the life in an MMO, if you are not aware of this I suggest you get used to the idea. Gear and materials will always become obsolete, that is how MMO's work to keep the game interesting and moving forward.

You don't need levels for progression, I've repeated myself on this countless times now and how we can have progression without additional veteran ranks and their artificial progression. People need to stop holding on to the idea that progression requires additional levels.

Shimmer

Brandalf wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

I want this, this is one of the best things ZEN can do for the game.

This is an MMO and in MMOs progression and content is the key, we went far to long without either, this is a great start in the right direction.

I understand some people may be upset and I would ask them to learn what an MMO is about. There will always be gear that gets outdated that is the life in an MMO, if you are not aware of this I suggest you get used to the idea. Gear and materials will always become obsolete, that is how MMO's work to keep the game interesting and moving forward.

You don't need levels for progression, I've repeated myself on this countless times now and how we can have progression without additional veteran ranks and their artificial progression. People need to stop holding on to the idea that progression requires additional levels.

And people need to stop holding onto the idea that additional levels means the end of the world...

LtCrunch

Sylance9 wrote: »

Brandalf wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

I want this, this is one of the best things ZEN can do for the game.

This is an MMO and in MMOs progression and content is the key, we went far to long without either, this is a great start in the right direction.

I understand some people may be upset and I would ask them to learn what an MMO is about. There will always be gear that gets outdated that is the life in an MMO, if you are not aware of this I suggest you get used to the idea. Gear and materials will always become obsolete, that is how MMO's work to keep the game interesting and moving forward.

You don't need levels for progression, I've repeated myself on this countless times now and how we can have progression without additional veteran ranks and their artificial progression. People need to stop holding on to the idea that progression requires additional levels.

And people need to stop holding onto the idea that additional levels means the end of the world...

It's counter-intuitive the the long term goals that the devs have load out for the future of the game. It's not needed and it's not wanted. So why is it being done?

NotSo

@Sylance9
I got bored very quickly when CPs were introduced, what I need is content.

Shimmer

Its not counter-intuitive. VR ranks are intimately tied to the current itemization system. When they release the new content they will also be releasing new gear sets. If they remove VR levels now, that means a delay in the new content etc.
It makes much more sense to raise the VR Cap by 2 and introduce new content to give players at end game something to aspire to while re-working the itemization (gear etc) completely to allow the removal of VR Ranks.

You cant have both the VR levels removed and the new content at the same time so which would you prefer first?

NotSo

You can absolutely have new content and remove vr levels at the same time...
The new items would be matched to level 50 while vr's get cut. The fact that zos has decided to add 2 vr's anyways is evidence that they are still just conceptualizing how to cut vr's.

Shimmer

They clearly said they cannot do both right now.

King Bozo

You know you will enjoy the immersion while killing mobs 2 more vet levels.

Skwor

Brandalf wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

I want this, this is one of the best things ZEN can do for the game.

This is an MMO and in MMOs progression and content is the key, we went far to long without either, this is a great start in the right direction.

I understand some people may be upset and I would ask them to learn what an MMO is about. There will always be gear that gets outdated that is the life in an MMO, if you are not aware of this I suggest you get used to the idea. Gear and materials will always become obsolete, that is how MMO's work to keep the game interesting and moving forward.

You don't need levels for progression, I've repeated myself on this countless times now and how we can have progression without additional veteran ranks and their artificial progression. People need to stop holding on to the idea that progression requires additional levels.

There is no issue with level progression, regardless of what the progression looks like it still amounts to obsoleting previous content and will require an investment of time to update your character, get over the level hang up, regardless of what progression is it all ends up the same. Content / gear gets outdated, play again to get new stuff, levels is just a word, why people have issues with this is silly, you are arguing over semantics, there will always be some form of increasing or leveling or gearing or achievements or "pick your word" progression you have to do, that is what an MMO is.

The arrogance to tell others your way is better, I don't care how you want progression to be, fact is I and many others like it this way, I see no reason why ZEN should cater to your desires over mine.

LtCrunch

Skwor wrote: »

Brandalf wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

I want this, this is one of the best things ZEN can do for the game.

This is an MMO and in MMOs progression and content is the key, we went far to long without either, this is a great start in the right direction.

I understand some people may be upset and I would ask them to learn what an MMO is about. There will always be gear that gets outdated that is the life in an MMO, if you are not aware of this I suggest you get used to the idea. Gear and materials will always become obsolete, that is how MMO's work to keep the game interesting and moving forward.

You don't need levels for progression, I've repeated myself on this countless times now and how we can have progression without additional veteran ranks and their artificial progression. People need to stop holding on to the idea that progression requires additional levels.

There is no issue with level progression, regardless of what the progression looks like it still amounts to obsoleting previous content and will require an investment of time to update your character, get over the level hang up, regardless of what progression is it all ends up the same. Content / gear gets outdated, play again to get new stuff, levels is just a word, why people have issues with this is silly, you are arguing over semantics, there will always be some form of increasing or leveling or gearing or achievements or "pick your word" progression you have to do, that is what an MMO is.

The arrogance to tell others your way is better, I don't care how you want progression to be, fact is I and many others like it this way, I see no reason why ZEN should cater to your desires over mine.

My desires are the desires that Zenimax themselves have gone on record saying they want for the future of their game after getting feedback from their playerbase for months on the issue of veteran ranks. This decision is a complete 180 from from their own stated goals for this game's future. They gave us a roadmap and they're doing thing that are counter-intuitive to that roadmap, it makes zero sense.

NotSo

Zos has this weird idea that all the gear needs to be balanced into tiers for level 50 so all your mats gathered from new zones can be used to upgrade your old cold harbour stuff, but I really think it should all be flat rate and purely cosmetic. Dumb endgame tiers are only going to make anything lower than top tier a complete waste in time and resources. You can already go straight into Craglorn at vr1 anyways, nobody worries about crafting gear for the levels on the way up to vr14.

Tonturri

As long as said veteran ranks come with content to fill up those ranks....then I'm fine with it. I don't like the system as a whole, but eh.

Folkb

Those little lemmings who like to grind stuff out on MMO"s are what ruins good MMO's.

Prizax

They are gonna keep adding 2 veteran ranks every new zone... which I find it pretty amazing and obvious.

Forestd16b14_ESO

Yea if I recall isn't imperial city finally coming with 7 too. Isn't that you know new content or did every one just over react like children when they just heard V16.

I'm not aposed to V16. Why? 2 more attribute points, 2 more skill points, and better craftable gear. I sure as hell not gonna say no to a V16 HA whitestrakes with a splash of hist bark or a V16 gold level greatsword.

And before every one says "they said there removeing vet levels so why." Yes they did say that they are removeing vet level but they said it is a long time goal for painfully clear reasons. If you can't see the reason here's my best nutshell version. They have to go through and basicly remake the entire game from when you start in prison to when you beat the gold story around levels instead of vet levels. That's bosses, loot, gear, skills, champion system, both silver and gold stories, all of craglorn including DSA and trials, and so on. So yes there being removed but we wont see it for a long time.