Bye bye broken classes

Daladier

gg to all the sorcs and nightblades that play their broken classes. Look forward to seeing you all in Cyrodiil.

NotSo

Ok see you bye

Garion

Daladier wrote: »

gg to all the sorcs and nightblades that play their broken classes. Look forward to seeing you all in Cyrodiil.

Yeah GG NBs, enjoy all of your buffs?

WTF are you talking about.

ForgottenHeretic

I haven't been to Cyrodiil yet but I was under the impression from posts I have read that sorcerers are fairly weak in pvp?

Dracane

ForgottenHeretic wrote: »

I haven't been to Cyrodiil yet but I was under the impression from posts I have read that sorcerers are fairly week in pvp?

They actually are. Even all the good Sorcs say, that Sorc is so easy to fight, because it's so predictable and offers nothing special. So good players just know what to do against them. Have no clue how this nerf came to be.

But @OP Yea, see you. Do you think, buffs/nerfs will change anything, as long as you lack the required skill ?

Funkopotamus

ForgottenHeretic wrote: »

I haven't been to Cyrodiil yet but I was under the impression from posts I have read that sorcerers are fairly week in pvp?

Honestly they are unless you know what the heck you are doing. And it is NOT Shield/Lightning spam! But ZOS in its blindness felt it necessary to just nerf all shield for everyone instead of actually addressing the games issues therefore we have a large portion of the sorc community that only know how to spam two skills in PvP that are now crying. Look up the "Stars and stripes" sorc build for a decent build that does NOT abuse shield spam.

Honestly though.. Zos will not be happy until everyone is playing a DK so might as well get to leveling one and with the increase in EXP that is coming it should be easy to level even faster.

This game had a chance to be great.. But it is becoming Casual Scrolls

Dracane

Wish they would just stop changing the game over and over again. They should've buffed Magicka Templars by a bit (not Jesus Beam), reduce physical damage a bit (mainly surprise attack and wrecking blow) and then let it be.

Nisto

what they nerf to the nightblades ??

Skwor

LOL seriously sorcs are weak? The worst quest to get is kill sorcs because all they ever do is bolt escape away if you ever get through the insane amount of shields they have up. These fixes (fixes not nerfs) are long overdue on sorcs.

Next is to make ZEN aware just how silly op stamina NB's are and fix cloak like they have fixed bolt escape. They at least are trying to fix the silliness of perma-dodge-roll stamina builds imo it should be 50% not 33% additional cost each dodge-roll.

NotSo

^ I am a stamina sorc and never had BoL privileges. I fail to see your point.

Garion

Skwor wrote: »

LOL seriously sorcs are weak? The worst quest to get is kill sorcs because all they ever do is bolt escape away if you ever get through the insane amount of shields they have up. These fixes (fixes not nerfs) are long overdue on sorcs.

Next is to make ZEN aware just how silly op stamina NB's are and fix cloak like they have fixed bolt escape. They at least are trying to fix the silliness of perma-dodge-roll stamina builds imo it should be 50% not 33% additional cost each dodge-roll.

Bad player alert.

Skwor

Garion wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

LOL seriously sorcs are weak? The worst quest to get is kill sorcs because all they ever do is bolt escape away if you ever get through the insane amount of shields they have up. These fixes (fixes not nerfs) are long overdue on sorcs.

Next is to make ZEN aware just how silly op stamina NB's are and fix cloak like they have fixed bolt escape. They at least are trying to fix the silliness of perma-dodge-roll stamina builds imo it should be 50% not 33% additional cost each dodge-roll.

Bad player alert.

You can stop with the trolling. I posted an opinion you posted an insult. As a healing templar who has played in the top PVP guilds the standard practice for a Bolt Sorc was to ignore them since all it ever did was waste a ton of time trying to chase them down, yes top end PVP guilds would just ignore a Bolting Sorc because even with the top rated players (players on the top 10 of the PVP leader-board) it was a massive waste of time trying to catch them, this is why the fix for bolt escape.

So you can stop with your lame L2P posts as it is obvious you have no idea what you are talking about.

dodgehopper_ESO

Skwor wrote: »

LOL seriously sorcs are weak? The worst quest to get is kill sorcs because all they ever do is bolt escape away if you ever get through the insane amount of shields they have up. These fixes (fixes not nerfs) are long overdue on sorcs.

Next is to make ZEN aware just how silly op stamina NB's are and fix cloak like they have fixed bolt escape. They at least are trying to fix the silliness of perma-dodge-roll stamina builds imo it should be 50% not 33% additional cost each dodge-roll.

This would ruin Nightblades if they 'fix cloak like they have fixed bolt escape'. Unless they make a morph of Cloak that is Stamina based, this class will be destroyed if they do what you suggest.

Daladier

Except that I'm a templar the weakest class in pvp. So yes seeing a sorc not able to stack 30k is dmg shields is nice. Along with not watching a nb/Stan user roll dodge forever or a sorc bolt escape then once your back is turned they come back like a scrubby scrub. Only so much other classes that have no escape abilities can do other than kiss our asses good bye once a sorc pops an immovable pot or break out of a cc and is granted immunity. Since as a templar I can't just stack one resource like sorcs and nb's. But call me a scrub or you can 1v1 me anytime.

Zanen

You've got to look at the entirety of the patch.

NB, as the only class without a shield is going to be hit hardest by the nerf to nirn. Many NBs will also be impacted by the nerf to maces. These are huge balance swings, 25%ish more damage taken and 25%ish less damage dealt, or even more depending on the opponent.

Shielding caster sorcs won't be hurt by either at all, so they actually get a huge relative buff out of the nirn nerf.

Nirn was clearly not bugged BTW, it was a stopgap balance measure until they could make more significant changes, just look at what they actually said about why they were waiting 'til 1.7 to fix it, and what they've put in the same patch that finally does.

Excessive dodge rolling, bolt escape, blocking all being nerfed is good for the game, TTK being increased in PVP is good for the game. Health and health regen being buffed in relation to damage, healing and shields is good for the game.

Shields didn't get much of a nerf really with damage being equally reduced.

G0ku

Good sorcs are also good players on any other class. They´re just better players, a thing many people can´t comprehend. Bad sorcs just bolt away when they start to lose which annoys the people.

From what I know up to now about the changes I guess the next nerf-screams will be about nightblades. Just wait until the goods sorcs in the game right now will change to a nightblade...

Vis

Wish I could see your face when you discover the guys owning you now will continue to dominate you post update.

SC0TY999

NB Tank / Sap Essence / Siphoning Attacks / Caltrops = God Mode

Daladier

Vis wrote: »

Wish I could see your face when you discover the guys owning you now will continue to dominate you post update.

It's funny because I don't get owned. In fact put up a 5-10 minute fight, then get bored with a non sense fight because I have less than par dps due to the fact that I need to have survibibility. But in going to go ahead and guess that everyone posting on this is either a sorc or nb. Because no one else would be whining and moaning as much as all of you.

Skwor

Vis wrote: »

Wish I could see your face when you discover the guys owning you now will continue to dominate you post update.

Good players will always win, bolt escaping sorcs who never owned anyone still won't , they will just not be able to run from every fight now.

Also stamina NB's hopefully won't be able to instagib with the upcoming changes to damage, it was utterly stupid that a stealthed NB could pretty much kill anyone else in less the 1 second with the right build, TTK was broke, these changes have been long overdue.

Eejit1331

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

LOL seriously sorcs are weak? The worst quest to get is kill sorcs because all they ever do is bolt escape away if you ever get through the insane amount of shields they have up. These fixes (fixes not nerfs) are long overdue on sorcs.

Next is to make ZEN aware just how silly op stamina NB's are and fix cloak like they have fixed bolt escape. They at least are trying to fix the silliness of perma-dodge-roll stamina builds imo it should be 50% not 33% additional cost each dodge-roll.

This would ruin Nightblades if they 'fix cloak like they have fixed bolt escape'. Unless they make a morph of Cloak that is Stamina based, this class will be destroyed if they do what you suggest.

I hope they do because that is what they have done to sorcs. An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.

G0ku

Daladier wrote: »

Vis wrote: »

Wish I could see your face when you discover the guys owning you now will continue to dominate you post update.

It's funny because I don't get owned. In fact put up a 5-10 minute fight, then get bored with a non sense fight because I have less than par dps due to the fact that I need to have survibibility. But in going to go ahead and guess that everyone posting on this is either a sorc or nb. Because no one else would be whining and moaning as much as all of you.

What you fail to see is: people will either switch to the next broken class or build. And someone will find something which will become fotm. It´s naive if you think otherwise. I play all classes btw....

NotSo

Balancing a sorcs ability to run away by making him unable to run away doesn't make any sense.

Skwor

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

LOL seriously sorcs are weak? The worst quest to get is kill sorcs because all they ever do is bolt escape away if you ever get through the insane amount of shields they have up. These fixes (fixes not nerfs) are long overdue on sorcs.

Next is to make ZEN aware just how silly op stamina NB's are and fix cloak like they have fixed bolt escape. They at least are trying to fix the silliness of perma-dodge-roll stamina builds imo it should be 50% not 33% additional cost each dodge-roll.

This would ruin Nightblades if they 'fix cloak like they have fixed bolt escape'. Unless they make a morph of Cloak that is Stamina based, this class will be destroyed if they do what you suggest.

Not looking to ruin any class, cloak is very effective which is fine by me. The problem I have is 1 vs 1, so many think healing is effective which is not true, the TTK is so fast that healing has no impact in PVP when soloing. For 1vs1, anyone relying on healing will always die, however cloak and bolt escape are pretty much guaranteed escapes, there really is no balance between healing / escapes. Now groups is a different story of course, healing in a group is very effective.

Keep in mind Stamina Templars are pretty good at least imo, this is an issue to those Templars specced as healers.

Dracane

NotSo wrote: »

Balancing a sorcs ability to run away by making him unable to run away doesn't make any sense.

This

Skwor

NotSo wrote: »

Balancing a sorcs ability to run away by making him unable to run away doesn't make any sense.

They can still run away, they just can't perma-run just like they are fixing perma dodge roll.

Dracane

Skwor wrote: »

NotSo wrote: »

Balancing a sorcs ability to run away by making him unable to run away doesn't make any sense.

They can still run away, they just can't perma-run just like they are fixing perma dodge roll.

Show me how to beat a stamina sprinter as a Sorc. No chance. We cannot RUN away. We can only blink, well not anymore.

Varicite

Skwor wrote: »

how silly op stamina NB's are

Skwor wrote: »

fix cloak

I'm sorry, what?

Skwor

Dracane wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

NotSo wrote: »

Balancing a sorcs ability to run away by making him unable to run away doesn't make any sense.

They can still run away, they just can't perma-run just like they are fixing perma dodge roll.

Show me how to beat a stamina sprinter as a Sorc. No chance. We cannot RUN away. We can only blink, well not anymore.

How is this any different from a class without bolt escape? DK's and Templars can't either and heals in this game 1 vs 1 are pretty pointless in PVP given the TTK is so quick, the TTK is so fast the cast time for heals make them very ineffective. NB's can cloak and imo that also needs fixed as nothing in the game should be a guaranteed escape every time.

Daladier

G0ku wrote: »

Daladier wrote: »

Vis wrote: »

Wish I could see your face when you discover the guys owning you now will continue to dominate you post update.

It's funny because I don't get owned. In fact put up a 5-10 minute fight, then get bored with a non sense fight because I have less than par dps due to the fact that I need to have survibibility. But in going to go ahead and guess that everyone posting on this is either a sorc or nb. Because no one else would be whining and moaning as much as all of you.

What you fail to see is: people will either switch to the next broken class or build. And someone will find something which will become fotm. It´s naive if you think otherwise. I play all classes btw....

No I get that it's innevetible with any game. But the way sorcs could stack shields was getting rough. Come to think of it I actually saw a half raid full of max lvl sorcs all doing the same thing.

NotSo

Dodgeroll should have been stuck to its own resource bar.
Bolt escape should have been a direct change to the function of dodgeroll.