All Crafting Mats Wasted?

Mashille

Ok, so I'm sure all of you have heard about the update of them adding 2 new Veteran Ranks. The Major problem I have with this isn't the grinding, it's the fact that like a few weeks ago I finally upgraded my Stamina Nightblade gear to Legendary...

So... I just wasted what? 40 Dreugh Wax?!? 16 Temering Alloy!?! And 11 Kuta !?!

Give me a break. Would it be at all possible to get refunds over this kind of stuff. The point of having a Max Level is so you can use all the Best items and materials you have to become as good as you can get. And Now Me, and pretty much everyone else have just been completely screwed over...

My suggestion for this would be to give Full Refunds on All current gear via Deconstruction. So if you do Deconstruct your Legendary Gear you will get back all the legendary mats you used to make it. But only on already existing gear so people can't abuse the system.

What do people think about this?

bertenburnyb16_ESO

I was just contemplating a new build with gear, well not anymore
But that's still about 6 full sets of end lvl gear for my 2 char I'll have to recraft

Sausage

We dont know yet if theres big difference between vr14 and vr16, probably not. Currently 300 CPs is where you want to be, CPs are more important than gears.

SedoUmbra

Sorry, but I have to disagree. I understand why you and many others are outraged but they added 2 more V ranks to make you grind more to get new gear and legendary it. They are scared that grinders and rushers will get the best stuff they can and see no point in playing so they add more content, because their 'Having this will make me feel like I'm the best' mentality makes them play to get Legendary everything even if they don't want to play.

DayedPSN

same thing with me just wasted a ton of mats crafting a full epic set and a couple legendary and spent at least 100k coins on buying the mats

Mashille

@SedoUmbra You may disagree now but you wouldn't be if you'd just lost a ton of Crafting Mats.

Dracane

So happy I didn't upgrade my gear to legendary. So better use the time to gather new materials

DayedPSN

SedoUmbra wrote: »

Sorry, but I have to disagree. I understand why you and many others are outraged but they added 2 more V ranks to make you grind more to get new gear and legendary it. They are scared that grinders and rushers will get the best stuff they can and see no point in playing so they add more content, because their 'Having this will make me feel like I'm the best' mentality makes them play to get Legendary everything even if they don't want to play.

the difference is youre on pc and have had months to prepare for this being at vr14 for that long console gamers dont have that luxury. you would be disagreeing too if you had just spent 100k on legendary materials

Alcast

keybaud wrote: »

Ok, so I'm sure all of you have heard about the update of them adding 2 new Veteran Ranks. The Major problem I have with this isn;t the grinding, it's the fact that like a few weeks ago I finally upgraded my Stamina Nightblade gear to Legendary...

So... I just wasted what? 40 Dreugh Wax?!? 16 Temering Alloy!?! And 11 Kuta !?!

Give me a break. Would it be at all possible to get refunds over this kind of stuff. The point of having a MAX LEVEL is so you can use all the Best items and materials you have to become as good as you can get. And Now Me, and pretty much everyone else have just been completely screwed over...

My suggestion for this would be to give FULL REFUNDS on ALL current gear via Deconstruction. So if you do Deconstruct your Legendary Gear you will get back all the legendary mats you used to make it. But only on already existing gear so people can't abuse the system.

What do people think about this?

thats life, thats MMOs.

Always has and always will be like that.

Glory

You have the opportunity to use this great gear for at least a few months before the next update.

Then, you can continue to use this gear (V14 is almost surely not that different from V16), or to go to V16 sets. The game is constantly fluctuating and is not static.

Just as people have had to regear from level 50 to V1, V10-12, V12-14, this will be no different.

Reverb

I understand some of the frustration, I too will have to replace gold, hard won, v14 gear on two toons. But anybody who thinks they will ever have thier last end-game gear in an mmo is a fool.

You're never done, you will never have earned or crafted your last kit, ever. There will always be additional levels, or limited drop gear that will be a game changer. Always. Suck it up, and start gathering more tempers for your next set.

xaraan

We go through this every time they raise vet ranks. Guess what? I have 8 v14s and most of the have legendary gear, you wanna hear some complaining about wasted matts, come to me lol.

One thing I have to say though is with the change to nirn, new gear added next patch, etc. Many will need to rework their gear anyway, so it's less of a big deal when it's rolled out with these other changes. Also, I don't plan to never have to change gear or upgrade to different armor.

What annoys me is that they are supposed to get rid of vet ranks. Not add to them. I don't see why they just don't convert everything to levels and have the max level be 65 and then worry about what to do with gear levels going forward because that right there would take care of everything existing in the game right now.

The other concern is sometimes when they add two levels, they don't always add two drop levels of gear. Like they will think - well one level is for Imperial city and the other is for wrothgar a couple months later. So any dropped gear you get in Imp City will max out at V15 and you won't even get dropped v16 gear until Wrothgar. That kind of crap is stupid and shows they really don't play their own game as much as their players do, which is a big part of their disconnect.

Mashille

@ebethke_ESO The point is up to VR 14 I haven't used ANY of my legendary crafting Materials because I have been saving them for my perfect gear. I finally get to VR 14 and craft the gear and upgrade it the a month later they completely screw me over by saying "Well, yeah, you used those Lehendary crafting Materials but now your 'Yellow' gear will be equally as good as People's crafted VR 16 'Green' Gear.

There may not be a huge difference but there is A difference that makes it so people with the same gear as me but VR 16 and not legendary will still be better than my VR 14 Legendary gear.

Callous2208

As I stated in another thread console users just got caught in an odd cycle with the timing of their launch and new updates. Now let me preface by saying I'm not bashing you for it, but I don't think Zeni thought that many console players would be at v14 and crafting legs at this point. I may be wrong, just a thought.

NotSo

I just feel like all crafting materials should be abe to scale up to 50 (after VRs are cut) so all mats are valid in endgame.

DayedPSN

they need to add the ability to upgrade current gear to the new max or lower the mats required for new gear

dodgehopper_ESO

Why do people defend gear progression like its a good thing? Doesn't anyone play MMO's because they enjoy just playing the game? I really never understood this mindset, and there's a severe weakness in logic to it. Why do we need 100 levels of daggers with 9 gradients of quality and 2000 varieties of sockets to put on it? Its a BLEEPING Dagger! I guarantee you I can kill you all the same with a Bronze Age dagger, and do a right good job of it, and it wouldn't be remotely harder to do than with a K-Bar or some Ceramic thing. The point is its just a weapon, and while there are issues of brittleness of the edge, malleability, etc the weapon is pretty serviceable regardless. The real issue with things like these is maintenance, not function. I really grow tired with people defending this mechanic in RPG's and MMO's. Its a really boring mechanic, and rather than see a gear progression I'd much prefer to see gear maintenance at the peak end of a game as well as character improvement. This is far more logical too I might add, and might end the utterly ridiculous looking equipment that mmos/video games throw out at their 'end game content'.

Callous2208

Dodgehopper, I couldn't agree more. This is why in part, I do a good deal of rp. One day I hope to see a game like you described implemented and supported.

Rinmaethodain

Yes you wasted all your mats because you are going to have a VR14 gear that will have 40 max hp less and 5 damage less of crafted set bonus than a VR16 gear.

By this terrible new lvls you will be robbed of like 0,25 % (not 25% but 1/4 of one percent) of your max health. So terrible.

murmur

Why does this thread seem so familiar? Oh yeah, when vr10 to vr12 and vr12 to vr14 max level increases happened, same kinda refund was demanded. Wanna guess did people back then got their mats back?

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

Upon hearing this on ESO live, I logged into the PC ESO, I went to rawl'kha took like 150k out of the Bank, and then went to the guild traders and I bought 56 Dreugh Wax, 16 Tempering Alloys, already had 8 Rosin, and bought 15 Kuta (legenday Enchant essence rune) so I can make my new VR16 set Legendary, once I get it.. im ready on PC..

Now on console (i'm on PS4), everything is just to expensive, the ecomy sucks, so I will just use my VR14 crafter and have him go to Alik'r desert and farm mats to break down and do crafting writs to get the tempers and legendary materials needed..

Now I just have to go Steal back my money on PC.. I started this today

Blobsky

As a serious trader I love the removal of all this gear/gold mats... Keeps the market having a value, especially since dreugh wax / rosin really plummeted in price on PC EU the last 2 wees

SedoUmbra

DayedPSN wrote: »

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SedoUmbra wrote: »

Sorry, but I have to disagree. I understand why you and many others are outraged but they added 2 more V ranks to make you grind more to get new gear and legendary it. They are scared that grinders and rushers will get the best stuff they can and see no point in playing so they add more content, because their 'Having this will make me feel like I'm the best' mentality makes them play to get Legendary everything even if they don't want to play.

the difference is youre on pc and have had months to prepare for this being at vr14 for that long console gamers dont have that luxury. you would be disagreeing too if you had just spent 100k on legendary materials

Yeah...except I'm on console. Well done.

Glory

keybaud wrote: »

@ebethke_ESO The point is up to VR 14 I haven't used ANY of my legendary crafting Materials because I have been saving them for my perfect gear. I finally get to VR 14 and craft the gear and upgrade it the a month later they completely screw me over by saying "Well, yeah, you used those Lehendary crafting Materials but now your 'Yellow' gear will be equally as good as People's crafted VR 16 'Green' Gear.

There may not be a huge difference but there is A difference that makes it so people with the same gear as me but VR 16 and not legendary will still be better than my VR 14 Legendary gear.

I understand your frustration. I myself have 5 veteran rank 14 characters with golden gear. That equates to... a couple million gold? Not even sure anymore.

I will level them to VR16, I will slowly gear them back up (just as I did when they raised the cap from VR12-VR14), with the full expectations that they'll probably make my gear underleveled again in the future.

QuadroTony

keybaud wrote: »

My suggestion for this would be to give FULL REFUNDS on ALL current gear via Deconstruction.

did you get a refund when you done eating your Big Mac?

Vicodine

I'm sorry but I call bull... This I keep seeing all around the forums "another upgrades wasted", "i just legendary'd my gear" etc.

Well... this is hardly an argument. Even on consoles. This isn't coming any sooner than 1 month from now (and let's be honest, we'll be lucky to have the changes on PTS one month from now). Probably going live on PC/Mac in 2 months. Consoles in three.

Would you rather under-perform for the next 2-3 months or have the gear now upgraded to make the obtaining of new sets easier for yourself?

Or would you rather sit on the same gear till the ends of time? Minor tweak here and there giving no incentive to play anything at all once you reach max level?

I'm really sorry but I'm getting allergic to this argument, this and that ZoS have lied about removing VET ranks. I am really looking forward to Update 7, the new sets, not so much Imperial city ... but still excited for what's to come.

I hope ZoS will not listen to the 1% of *** that just can't handle any change. Seriously. GFY. Period.

Shadesofkin

Meh, it's not really that hard to get gold or tempers, do your writs and make gold. You should have enough by then that it's not a problem. Besides, anyone who has ever played any MMORPG knows that when endcap is raised it starts the progression all over again, this isn't news.

Mashille

@QuadroTony Was it really necessary to mindlessly insult me?

QuadroTony

keybaud wrote: »

@QuadroTony Was it really necessary to mindlessly insult me?

i dont know
who did this to you?

Mashille

Geez. I thought ESO's community was actually one of the better ones in MMO communities. But apparently I was wrong. I make a complaint about me being frustrated and mostly I just get insulted and told to 'Deal With it'.

I wasn't raging or anything like that. Just a plain statement as to why I was annoyed about more Veteran Ranks. Is it necessary to insult me or say things like "You've clearly never played many MMO's..." Or "Just play the game more noob, get more..." I don't have a large amount of time on my hands.

I guess I was wrong about ESO having a good Community.

Lolimsopro