Camouflaged Hunter OP

Joy_Division

CMG138

You mean you're either a vampire or a werewolf and it didn't play out to your advantage?

Joy_Division

CMG138 wrote: »

You mean you're either a vampire or a werewolf and it didn't play out to your advantage?

34K?

cozmon3c_ESO

Camo hunter is a skilless Piece of crap that takes the skill out of the game with a Proc chance. IMO of course.

Vynist

CMG138 wrote: »

You mean you're either a vampire or a werewolf and it didn't play out to your advantage?

^troll lolololololo

cozmon3c_ESO

CMG138 wrote: »

You mean you're either a vampire or a werewolf and it didn't play out to your advantage?

You mean the 4% proc chance on humans that seems to happen every other damn cast for some reason???

scorpo46b16_ESO

move out of the caltrops?

King Bozo

Also put flawless dawn breaker on your ultimate bar while using camouflage hunter. Please keep going around cyrodill in werewolf form I appreciate the easy ap. Also keep throwing bats I really appreciate it vampires.

xaraan

It really shouldn't proc off caltrops. They really need to look at caltrops IMO, too many weird things proc off of it (like regen abilities, melee abilities, etc) It's a bit OP IMO.

Joy_Division

scorpo46b16_ESO wrote: »

move out of the caltrops?

That was the plan before insta-death...

Jeckll

Joy_Division wrote: »

CMG138 wrote: »

You mean you're either a vampire or a werewolf and it didn't play out to your advantage?

34K?

Procced several times from different sources (Caltrops + whatever hit you as well). I had such spike damage when using Camo Hunter very few times but in my FTC log, there were multiple procs. The Deathrecap adds those procs up to a single value. I dont think you got hit from a single Camo Hunter for 34k. Was just bad luck that it proced several times in a row. RNG is a bi***

Alcast

Joy_Division wrote: »

CMG138 wrote: »

You mean you're either a vampire or a werewolf and it didn't play out to your advantage?

34K?

You stood in Caltrops for a few seconds and the CAMO damage is added up.

NB spamming dark cloak you ALWAYS get hit by the extra dmg so its basically 15k noncrit damage because of sneakdamage of camo.

and again, you stood in caltrops which is a bad idea

Alcast

xaraan wrote: »

It really shouldn't proc off caltrops. They really need to look at caltrops IMO, too many weird things proc off of it (like regen abilities, melee abilities, etc) It's a bit OP IMO.

it procs of any ability.

Caltrops+eruption on the ground and you dead in 2s.

Joy_Division

Well, I can't say I like that fact that a passive buff + an intended movement debuff can do total 39K damage in a "few seconds". But I do accept that is what happened.

Still ridiculous...

Synozeer

Alcast wrote: »

NB spamming dark cloak you ALWAYS get hit by the extra dmg so its basically 15k noncrit damage because of sneakdamage of camo.

Being invis from Dark Cloak doesn't count as sneaking and won't automatically proc Camo. It says hidden when you're invis from cloak, but it's different than the hidden from actually sneaking.

Master_Kas

Alcast wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

CMG138 wrote: »

You mean you're either a vampire or a werewolf and it didn't play out to your advantage?

34K?

You stood in Caltrops for a few seconds and the CAMO damage is added up.

NB spamming dark cloak you ALWAYS get hit by the extra dmg so its basically 15k noncrit damage because of sneakdamage of camo.

and again, you stood in caltrops which is a bad idea

Wrong cloak/invis gives you 10% more spell/weapdmg 20% if you are bosmer or khajiit. But it does NOT give you the stealth bonus dmg that you get while you are sneaking (not cloak invis but crouched) and standing behind the target or the side (using stam morphs and melee/bow attacks)

Magicka skills domt get Any sneak bonus dmg (concealed weapon/unmorphed ambush) at all. Only the extra dmg from invis but no sneak dmg modifier. Hope you understand what I mean.

Edit : My bad you was Talking about caltrops. It maybe got the 10-20% bonus damage from invis depending on his race. But dont mix the extra invis dmg with sneak bonus damage as Those are two diffrent things.

MoneyOverEverything

stay out of the red-circles son, because they are RED which should be realized as a ALERT-COLOR


where is the name and shame police pls 2darescue

chevalierknight

MoneyOverEverything wrote: »

stay out of the red-circles son, because they are RED which should be realized as a ALERT-COLOR


where is the name and shame police pls 2darescue

In less it you teams catpolt then reds ok :]

Jaiden

Sorry OP, I'm Jaiden. Bosmer NB WW. I only use caltrops when I see a group of enemies or zerg fighting. Sometimes to catch a person stealthed or cloaking. I definitely pop camo before I toss it and I toss it from stealth fully buffed. Maximizes damage and I actually get some lucky kills out of it. I run a poison build with 5 piece morag and 5 piece hawks eye, master bow. My champ points are all in armor pen, theurmaturge and bow attacks. I get a higher camo proc than normal due to the champ points. Again sorry, but it was kinda cool to see me in a screenshot kill though.

Imdrefan

Sweet lord... You guys are all saying "L2P ermmmagherd you st00d in 'trops for too long..."

In PvP it is extremely hard to get out of caltrops when 60% of the whole map is effing covered in caltrops.

There is absolutely no reason why caltrops should proc the ravager set or camo hunter.

eliisra

Imdrefan wrote: »

Sweet lord... You guys are all saying "L2P ermmmagherd you st00d in 'trops for too long..."

In PvP it is extremely hard to get out of caltrops when 60% of the whole map is effing covered in caltrops.

There is absolutely no reason why caltrops should proc the ravager set or camo hunter.

Yeah ha ha. Where the hell are you suppose to stand than? Entire ground is covered in red circles. Levitating is not an option in this specific game.

At best you can pin point enemy siege and ultimates and gtfo that, but you cant avoid all ground AoE. If that's your goal you have to leave the fight entirely.

Also, Camo Hunter is clearly bugged. It proc's 100 times more frequently than Evil Hunter, on both undead and non-vamps. Why you think all PvE'ers use the "gank morph" like a religion? Non vamp and I always have it on death recap. We also know how many times Fighters Guild skills been bugged in the past, so it's hardly a surprise if devs forgot to add a zero or decimal somewhere.

Isavier

Imdrefan wrote: »

There is absolutely no reason why caltrops should proc the ravager set or camo hunter.

That said, expert hunter itself is perfectly okay, if not underpowered. Do you realise that it doesn't work on players in damage shields? Have you noticed how terribly seldom it procs in pvp? Even while zergbombing, it's barely worth a slot, while everyone and their mother rolls a vampire/werewolf.

Now, if we look at camo hunter, it adds nothing but help to those Kill-You-Before-You-See-Me-Out-Of-Stealth happy blokes who start to annoy so much lately. Out-of-stealth burst openers are already too big, as of before 1.7 at least, so maybe reworking camo hunter would help that.

Evil hunter, on the other hand, restores too little stamina while proccing too seldom. At least making it work against shields would be really just, imo.

Alcast

eliisra wrote: »

Imdrefan wrote: »

Sweet lord... You guys are all saying "L2P ermmmagherd you st00d in 'trops for too long..."

In PvP it is extremely hard to get out of caltrops when 60% of the whole map is effing covered in caltrops.

There is absolutely no reason why caltrops should proc the ravager set or camo hunter.

Yeah ha ha. Where the hell are you suppose to stand than? Entire ground is covered in red circles. Levitating is not an option in this specific game.

At best you can pin point enemy siege and ultimates and gtfo that, but you cant avoid all ground AoE. If that's your goal you have to leave the fight entirely.

Also, Camo Hunter is clearly bugged. It proc's 100 times more frequently than Evil Hunter, on both undead and non-vamps. Why you think all PvE'ers use the "gank morph" like a religion? Non vamp and I always have it on death recap. We also know how many times Fighters Guild skills been bugged in the past, so it's hardly a surprise if devs forgot to add a zero or decimal somewhere.

Either Camo procs too much OR Evil Hunter doesnt proc enough. Its RNG system, and you know how logic RNG from ZOS is. (Valkyn head droprate, for some it pops 5times out of 10 and for some 1 time out of 100 runs.)

BigTone

It is not as easy as "Don't stand in the caltrops". There are many groups where the leader will call for caltrops and ten or more people throw it all over the place. This skill as well as many others in the assault/support tree need to be looked at. Imo camo hunter should not proc off of caltrops.

Imdrefan

I have nothing to back up my following comment, but camo hunter is bugged. The proc rate seems so random, and I can guarantee it procs on non vampires more than it should.

azoriangaming

34k that's just ridiculous even if you're a vamp or ww

Lava_Croft

Camo Hunter + Caltrops is one of the most ridiculous combo's in PvP. I am very happy that not every single Stamina Nightblade, which accounts for at least 50% of the player base, uses this combo.

Joy_Division

jeremyrisleyb14_ESO wrote: »

Sorry OP, I'm Jaiden. Bosmer NB WW. I only use caltrops when I see a group of enemies or zerg fighting. Sometimes to catch a person stealthed or cloaking. I definitely pop camo before I toss it and I toss it from stealth fully buffed. Maximizes damage and I actually get some lucky kills out of it. I run a poison build with 5 piece morag and 5 piece hawks eye, master bow. My champ points are all in armor pen, theurmaturge and bow attacks. I get a higher camo proc than normal due to the champ points. Again sorry, but it was kinda cool to see me in a screenshot kill though.

Hi Jaiden! I know it's cool to see your name in a screenshot kill

By all means, you ought to keep using the skills and abilities that suit your character and your build. I am of the belief that it is Zenimax's responsibility to provide us with balanced and fun tools to use, not the player's responsibility to intentionally gimp and self-police ourselves because of dubious mechanics.

In short, well played good sir. Now as for ZoS, please fix your game instead of adding veteran ranks...

RinaldoGandolphi

I have always thought Camo Hunter should have a 15% to do extra damage from stealth not 100% chance, but thats just my thought on it.

Erock25

Camo Hunter IS absolutely procing too much on non-Vamps.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/156466/another-day-of-pvping-another-round-of-camo-hunters-in-my-death-recap#latest

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/154899/camo-hunter-proc-on-non-vamp#latest

I got tired of making topics about it when no one seemed to care.

tonemd

Imdrefan wrote: »

Sweet lord... You guys are all saying "L2P ermmmagherd you st00d in 'trops for too long..."

In PvP it is extremely hard to get out of caltrops when 60% of the whole map is effing covered in caltrops.

There is absolutely no reason why caltrops should proc the ravager set or camo hunter.

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