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New Gear?
jackleminer55
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So I was reading the Xbox One Reddit AMA yesterday, and I saw one of the devs reply to an itemization question. They said that a lot of improvements are coming in the next patch with many new sets and pieces of gear. My question is, will and of these sets have unique looks? Seriously, this game does not have many different armor types in all especially compared to other MMO's. Even the different races don't really look that different. I also ask because in one of the Road Ahead article from a long time ago, Matt F said that there was not enough variations in armor appearances, and that was going to change.
Well, where is that change? Since then, only one new armor has been released - Dwemer, and that's it. Where the heck are those new armors??????
I don't get excited about armors or weapons when I get them. Its more like, "Oh, a new weapon. Is it better than mine? Yes? Okay." *equips*
That's boring.
Well, where is that change? Since then, only one new armor has been released - Dwemer, and that's it. Where the heck are those new armors??????
I don't get excited about armors or weapons when I get them. Its more like, "Oh, a new weapon. Is it better than mine? Yes? Okay." *equips*
That's boring.
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MCMancub✭✭✭✭There are 15 craftable types of armor in the game with 2 more coming, and there are many more styles you can find from drops and equip. I don't know what to say if this isn't enough for you.Edited by MCMancub on June 26, 2015 6:39PM1 -
sadownik✭✭✭✭✭
✭There are 15 craftable types of armor in the game with 2 more coming, and there are many more styles you can find from drops and equip. I don't know what to say if this isn't enough for you.
There could be 150 styles of armour, but when so many of them are so similar it doesnt change a thing. And frankly if you think 15-30 styles of armour is enough for modern Fantasy MMO then let me tell you - you couldnt be much more wrong.0 -
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✭If you are wanting this, then thankfully ESO will never have it.
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jackleminer55✭✭✭Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »If you are wanting this, then thankfully ESO will never have it.
Haha @Akavir_Sentinel no that is not what I want. I just want more variety, and the possibility of getting a piece of armor or a weapon and just saying, "AWESOME!"
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jackleminer55✭✭✭For example, if they were to add that EP PVP armor they showed at quakecon last year, getting that would be an "AWESOME!" moment.0
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traigusb14_ESO2✭✭✭✭✭The base 9 have 3-4 different styles as you level up. the other 6 seem to just be 1 set. Dwemer etc. This is of course multiplied by Light, med and heavy.
The modern MMO has 1 (ONE) set of armor for you at max level per class (whatever raid set is the current get)... and 1 (ONE) pre raid set you wear until you get the raid set.
After that ... some MMOS give you an appearance slot so you can show other armor/clothing.. This is not the same as having a lot of armor sets. (And I'd love this option for ESO, or the option to make Vet gear with Nord 20's style).
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jackleminer55✭✭✭I'm not necessaarily talking about sets. I'm mostly talking about different appearances, and different models, as currently, there are far fewer than in most MMO's.0
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MCMancub✭✭✭✭There are 15 craftable types of armor in the game with 2 more coming, and there are many more styles you can find from drops and equip. I don't know what to say if this isn't enough for you.
There could be 150 styles of armour, but when so many of them are so similar it doesnt change a thing. And frankly if you think 15-30 styles of armour is enough for modern Fantasy MMO then let me tell you - you couldnt be much more wrong.
You are literally never going to get this in ESO. Because this isn't WoW, or GW2, or TERA. Tamriel is a much more realistic and mature world than the Fantasy MMO you're seeking. You're not going to find over saturated, vibrant colored gear with skulls and flames pouring out of every crevice (I'm over exaggerating here, but you get the picture).
Armor styles in Tamriel reflect the environment, which is a much more gritty, realistic one rather than a light, epic feeling one.0 -
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✭Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »If you are wanting this, then thankfully ESO will never have it.
Really? Thats what you came up with?
This are real plate amrours and look how different they are. You really don have to go all "fabulous" to make them look interesting. Important part should be, that when 20 people gather in 1 place you should feel different.0 -
sadownik✭✭✭✭✭
✭There are 15 craftable types of armor in the game with 2 more coming, and there are many more styles you can find from drops and equip. I don't know what to say if this isn't enough for you.
There could be 150 styles of armour, but when so many of them are so similar it doesnt change a thing. And frankly if you think 15-30 styles of armour is enough for modern Fantasy MMO then let me tell you - you couldnt be much more wrong.
You are literally never going to get this in ESO. Because this isn't WoW, or GW2, or TERA. Tamriel is a much more realistic and mature world than the Fantasy MMO you're seeking. You're not going to find over saturated, vibrant colored gear with skulls and flames pouring out of every crevice (I'm over exaggerating here, but you get the picture).
Armor styles in Tamriel reflect the environment, which is a much more gritty, realistic one rather than a light, epic feeling one.
Again, why do you presume that i want some "kawai" or other xxxx armours? Why do you think the "realistic" armours must all look alike?0 -
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✭Long story short, this is an MMO with hundreds of thousands of players. You will never be a special snowflake or stand out in any way. Everyone has access to the same things.0 -
jackleminer55✭✭✭Thank you @sadownik. That is exactly what I am talking about. I've played a few of those "high fantasy" games that you are talking about, and they are quite boring. I am not looking for over saturated, brightly colored and unrealistic armors. I am just looking for more variation in the ones available, with different models. It looks like (especially with light armor) that all the torso and pants have the same models with different textures. Now do you understand @MCMancub ?0
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MCMancub✭✭✭✭There are 15 craftable types of armor in the game with 2 more coming, and there are many more styles you can find from drops and equip. I don't know what to say if this isn't enough for you.
There could be 150 styles of armour, but when so many of them are so similar it doesnt change a thing. And frankly if you think 15-30 styles of armour is enough for modern Fantasy MMO then let me tell you - you couldnt be much more wrong.
You are literally never going to get this in ESO. Because this isn't WoW, or GW2, or TERA. Tamriel is a much more realistic and mature world than the Fantasy MMO you're seeking. You're not going to find over saturated, vibrant colored gear with skulls and flames pouring out of every crevice (I'm over exaggerating here, but you get the picture).
Armor styles in Tamriel reflect the environment, which is a much more gritty, realistic one rather than a light, epic feeling one.
Again, why do you presume that i want some "kawai" or other xxxx armours? Why do you think the "realistic" armours must all look alike?
I don't. I would even say the styles you posted above would rarely ever been seen in Tamriel. Maybe the Summerset Isles, but that's it. And we have Glass there. Like I said above, for almost all locations in Tamriel, there isn't a "light" feel or even an "awesome" feel. There's a realistic one that matches the style of the people who live there.
Some styles DO look alike, because their respective races come from the same ancestors. All races use the same materials to craft their armor (other than style material). Why would the armors themselves look vastly different then?
EDIT: It literally makes no sense to have the kind of armor you want in the game without some sort of lore to back it up.Edited by MCMancub on June 26, 2015 7:16PM0 -
Sallington✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »If you are wanting this, then thankfully ESO will never have it.
Really? Thats what you came up with?
This are real plate amrours and look how different they are. You really don have to go all "fabulous" to make them look interesting. Important part should be, that when 20 people gather in 1 place you should feel different.
Looks a lot like Breton-styled voidsteel armor...
http://eso-fashion.com/breton-voidsteel/
You can always mix and match: http://eso-fashion.com/mahdi-hapi-eu/
And with the dye system, there's really no shortage of unique combinationsEdited by Sallington on June 26, 2015 7:18PMDaggerfall Covenant
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MCMancub✭✭✭✭Sallington wrote: »Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »If you are wanting this, then thankfully ESO will never have it.
Really? Thats what you came up with?
This are real plate amrours and look how different they are. You really don have to go all "fabulous" to make them look interesting. Important part should be, that when 20 people gather in 1 place you should feel different.
Looks a lot like Breton-styled voidsteel armor...
http://eso-fashion.com/breton-voidsteel/
No way. Not flashy enough. Not "awesome" enough.0 -
sadownik✭✭✭✭✭
✭There are 15 craftable types of armor in the game with 2 more coming, and there are many more styles you can find from drops and equip. I don't know what to say if this isn't enough for you.
There could be 150 styles of armour, but when so many of them are so similar it doesnt change a thing. And frankly if you think 15-30 styles of armour is enough for modern Fantasy MMO then let me tell you - you couldnt be much more wrong.
You are literally never going to get this in ESO. Because this isn't WoW, or GW2, or TERA. Tamriel is a much more realistic and mature world than the Fantasy MMO you're seeking. You're not going to find over saturated, vibrant colored gear with skulls and flames pouring out of every crevice (I'm over exaggerating here, but you get the picture).
Armor styles in Tamriel reflect the environment, which is a much more gritty, realistic one rather than a light, epic feeling one.
Again, why do you presume that i want some "kawai" or other xxxx armours? Why do you think the "realistic" armours must all look alike?
I don't. I would even say the styles you posted above would rarely ever been seen in Tamriel. Maybe the Summerset Isles, but that's it. And we have Glass there. Like I said above, for almost all locations in Tamriel, there isn't a "light" feel or even an "awesome" feel. There's a realistic one that matches the style of the people who live there.
I must disagree but thats one thing. Other thing is the distinction between heavy medium and light armour. When you wear oants instead of skirt in ESO its almost impossible to tell which is one. Especially heavy armour doesnt look heavy at all. I understand that there si no way for Z. to change that now - it would require much more work than to reskin a horse and sell it in crown store butits really a shame.
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✭Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »Long story short, this is an MMO with hundreds of thousands of players. You will never be a special snowflake or stand out in any way. Everyone has access to the same things.
And here you are wrong. Im used to that in MMOs i play im allowed to customize my look to get the feel im not the exact clone. Even the possibility of morphing one piece of heavy armour into looking like the other piece of heavy armour goes a long way into that. ESO is lacking even that, pretty standart in new MMOs element.Edited by sadownik on June 26, 2015 7:22PM0 -
jackleminer55✭✭✭..... when did I say I was looking for flashy? *sigh*
I already said I wasn't. Have you seen the armors in Skyrim? When I see those I say awesome!
I am just looking for variation. I don't want anything more than that. Not neon colors, not saturated colors, no 20" think armors. Just some differences. Also take a look at the ebonheart pact armor announced at quakecon.0 -
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✭Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »Long story short, this is an MMO with hundreds of thousands of players. You will never be a special snowflake or stand out in any way. Everyone has access to the same things.
And here you are wrong. Im used to that in MMOs i play im allowed to customize my look to get the feel im not the exact clone. Even the possibility of morphing one piece of heavy armour into looking like the other piece of heavy armour goes a long way into that. ESO is lacking even that, pretty standart in new MMOs element.
There are a lot of things that are standard in other MMO's that ESO doesn't have. It's ESO, and not those other games. You know what I'm about to say next....0 -
MCMancub✭✭✭✭There are 15 craftable types of armor in the game with 2 more coming, and there are many more styles you can find from drops and equip. I don't know what to say if this isn't enough for you.
There could be 150 styles of armour, but when so many of them are so similar it doesnt change a thing. And frankly if you think 15-30 styles of armour is enough for modern Fantasy MMO then let me tell you - you couldnt be much more wrong.
You are literally never going to get this in ESO. Because this isn't WoW, or GW2, or TERA. Tamriel is a much more realistic and mature world than the Fantasy MMO you're seeking. You're not going to find over saturated, vibrant colored gear with skulls and flames pouring out of every crevice (I'm over exaggerating here, but you get the picture).
Armor styles in Tamriel reflect the environment, which is a much more gritty, realistic one rather than a light, epic feeling one.
Again, why do you presume that i want some "kawai" or other xxxx armours? Why do you think the "realistic" armours must all look alike?
I don't. I would even say the styles you posted above would rarely ever been seen in Tamriel. Maybe the Summerset Isles, but that's it. And we have Glass there. Like I said above, for almost all locations in Tamriel, there isn't a "light" feel or even an "awesome" feel. There's a realistic one that matches the style of the people who live there.
I must disagree but thats one thing. Other thing is the distinction between heavy medium and light armour. When you wear oants instead of skirt in ESO its almost impossible to tell which is one. Especially heavy armour doesnt look heavy at all. I understand that there si no way for Z. to change that now - it would require much more work than to reskin a horse and sell it in crown store butits really a shame.
You must play with your camera way out then. I don't experience this at all. It's pretty easy for me to see an armor and be able to tell whether it's light, medium, or heavy and which style it is.
As for you "disagreeing", it wasn't an opinion. There are 3 major TES games that support my statement. Take a look at any of them. Other than the occasional oddity, it's extremely rare you find "awesome" armor. Tamriel isn't an "awesome" place. It's just a place.2 -
MCMancub✭✭✭✭jackleminer55 wrote: »..... when did I say I was looking for flashy? *sigh*
I already said I wasn't. Have you seen the armors in Skyrim? When I see those I say awesome!
I am just looking for variation. I don't want anything more than that. Not neon colors, not saturated colors, no 20" think armors. Just some differences. Also take a look at the ebonheart pact armor announced at quakecon.
And yet you referenced an armor set whose concept art contained flashy armor...Edited by MCMancub on June 26, 2015 7:28PM0 -
sadownik✭✭✭✭✭
✭Sallington wrote: »Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »If you are wanting this, then thankfully ESO will never have it.
Really? Thats what you came up with?
This are real plate amrours and look how different they are. You really don have to go all "fabulous" to make them look interesting. Important part should be, that when 20 people gather in 1 place you should feel different.
Looks a lot like Breton-styled voidsteel armor...
http://eso-fashion.com/breton-voidsteel/
No way. Not flashy enough. Not "awesome" enough.
I got a wound in 30 years war and dont get sarcasm. Was it sarcasm? Anyway that armour - like so many in ESO looks like that
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sadownik✭✭✭✭✭
✭jackleminer55 wrote: »..... when did I say I was looking for flashy? *sigh*
I already said I wasn't. Have you seen the armors in Skyrim? When I see those I say awesome!
I am just looking for variation. I don't want anything more than that. Not neon colors, not saturated colors, no 20" think armors. Just some differences. Also take a look at the ebonheart pact armor announced at quakecon.
And yet you referenced an armor set whose concept art contained flashy armor...
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jcasini222ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭There actually is a good bit of variety in the appearance from an elder scrolls perspective. Some armor is actually extremely detailed like the dwemer chest peice peace. Also dont forget the monster helms have some pop to them more than what you can usually craft. Although bosmer and barbaric make great use of bone. The primal medium helm I love combo'd with the dwemer chest.
There is a good balance to 'gritty' and "elegant lines' to armor. I would suggest heading over to eso-fashion and really digging through all the different stuff you can craft. Plus there is the dye system on top of that.
Basically I'm starting to repeat what @Sallington said, I just feel the artists that detailed a lot of this don't get enough credit.
posting from phone at times can be its own mini-game
Edited by jcasini222ub17_ESO on June 26, 2015 7:37PM0 -
sadownik✭✭✭✭✭
✭jcasini222ub17_ESO wrote: »There actually is a good bit of variety in the appearance from an elder scrolls perspective. Some armor is actually extremely detailed like the dwemer chest peice peace. Also dont forget the monster helms have some pop to them more than what you can usually craft. Although bosmer and barbaric make great use of bone. The primal medium helm I love combo'd with the dwemer chest.
There is a good balance to 'gritty' and "elegant lines' to armor. I would suggest heading over to eso-fashion and really digging through all the different stuff you can craft. Plus there is the dye system on top of that.
Basically I'm starting to repeat what @Sallington said, I just feel the artists that detailed a lot of this don't get enough credit.
posting from phone at times can be its own mini-game
Dont get me wrong. I admire the work of artists in ESO. I love the details on armour and weapons. But it doesnt change the fact that altought artist made a great job the engine coder didnt. All those armours have no "weight". All feel like bodypainted. The elements that are supposed to make the difference are instead making it awkward ( shoulder wings and butt flasp aonyone?).Edited by sadownik on June 26, 2015 7:42PM0 -
jcasini222ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭Yea the wing flaps err. No disagreement on that @sadownik . I do feel the body paint on some armors more than others.1
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✭✭✭✭jcasini222ub17_ESO wrote: »There actually is a good bit of variety in the appearance from an elder scrolls perspective. Some armor is actually extremely detailed like the dwemer chest peice peace. Also dont forget the monster helms have some pop to them more than what you can usually craft. Although bosmer and barbaric make great use of bone. The primal medium helm I love combo'd with the dwemer chest.
There is a good balance to 'gritty' and "elegant lines' to armor. I would suggest heading over to eso-fashion and really digging through all the different stuff you can craft. Plus there is the dye system on top of that.
Basically I'm starting to repeat what @Sallington said, I just feel the artists that detailed a lot of this don't get enough credit.
posting from phone at times can be its own mini-game
Dont get me wrong. I admire the work of artists in ESO. I love the details on armour and weapons. But it doesnt change the fact that altought artist made a great job the engine coder didnt. All those armours have no "weight". All feel like bodypainted. The elements that are supposed to make the difference are instead making it awkward ( shoulder wings and butt flasp aonyone?).
This is most likely due to resource constraints. If you make armor more complex on one player, you make it more complex on every single other player as well, and that a lot of extra computing power needed to handle it. That's why, compared to single player games, armor is usually less intricate in MMOs.
Side note: I'd love to see the performance impact in Cyrodil if everyone in the zone fought naked. Just as a test to see how much everyone wearing full armor makes a difference in performance.Edited by Sallington on June 26, 2015 7:50PMDaggerfall Covenant
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sadownik✭✭✭✭✭
✭Sallington wrote: »jcasini222ub17_ESO wrote: »There actually is a good bit of variety in the appearance from an elder scrolls perspective. Some armor is actually extremely detailed like the dwemer chest peice peace. Also dont forget the monster helms have some pop to them more than what you can usually craft. Although bosmer and barbaric make great use of bone. The primal medium helm I love combo'd with the dwemer chest.
There is a good balance to 'gritty' and "elegant lines' to armor. I would suggest heading over to eso-fashion and really digging through all the different stuff you can craft. Plus there is the dye system on top of that.
Basically I'm starting to repeat what @Sallington said, I just feel the artists that detailed a lot of this don't get enough credit.
posting from phone at times can be its own mini-game
Dont get me wrong. I admire the work of artists in ESO. I love the details on armour and weapons. But it doesnt change the fact that altought artist made a great job the engine coder didnt. All those armours have no "weight". All feel like bodypainted. The elements that are supposed to make the difference are instead making it awkward ( shoulder wings and butt flasp aonyone?).
This is most likely due to resource constraints. If you make armor more complex on one player, you make it more complex on every single other player as well, and that a lot of extra computing power needed to handle it. That's why, compared to single player games, armor is usually less intricate in MMOs.
Of course you are right. But then why in so many other MMOs i see all those crazy, flashy armours that look like circus is in town, even in big pvp battles and yet its a problem in ESO?
about side note - not much at all i think - on non vet i saw lag very rarly and never of that magintude as in vet campgains.Edited by sadownik on June 26, 2015 8:02PM0 -
Sallington✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Sallington wrote: »jcasini222ub17_ESO wrote: »There actually is a good bit of variety in the appearance from an elder scrolls perspective. Some armor is actually extremely detailed like the dwemer chest peice peace. Also dont forget the monster helms have some pop to them more than what you can usually craft. Although bosmer and barbaric make great use of bone. The primal medium helm I love combo'd with the dwemer chest.
There is a good balance to 'gritty' and "elegant lines' to armor. I would suggest heading over to eso-fashion and really digging through all the different stuff you can craft. Plus there is the dye system on top of that.
Basically I'm starting to repeat what @Sallington said, I just feel the artists that detailed a lot of this don't get enough credit.
posting from phone at times can be its own mini-game
Dont get me wrong. I admire the work of artists in ESO. I love the details on armour and weapons. But it doesnt change the fact that altought artist made a great job the engine coder didnt. All those armours have no "weight". All feel like bodypainted. The elements that are supposed to make the difference are instead making it awkward ( shoulder wings and butt flasp aonyone?).
This is most likely due to resource constraints. If you make armor more complex on one player, you make it more complex on every single other player as well, and that a lot of extra computing power needed to handle it. That's why, compared to single player games, armor is usually less intricate in MMOs.
Of course you are right. But then why in so many other MMOs i see all those crazy, flashy armours that look like circus is in town, even in big pvp battles and yet its a problem in ESO?
I never said I didn't think ESO was built on top of a terrible engine.
Edited by Sallington on June 26, 2015 7:58PMDaggerfall Covenant
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Cobham - Sorcerer - Stormproof - First Sergeant II
Shallington - NightBlade - Lieutenant |
Balmorah - Templar - Sergeant ||1