Ultimate Abilities stam or magic?

Azalin76

I had thought a while back they said they were going to base ultimate abilities off of stam or magic whichever was higher? I just tested this out and went from an all magic based set up to an all stam based set up and all of my ult abilities dropped to half the dmg they were at when I was at all magic. Anyone else know if they implemented that change?

ThatNeonZebraAgain

The change on Ultimate abilities was for crit chance. Ults scale off Magicka for damage, but use your highest crit chance, whether it is weapon or spell crit. With 1.6 they did change some class abilities to use/scale off stamina, and all those are clearly marked as such in the tooltip.

lolo_01b16_ESO

Ultimates scale of whatever ressource is higher. If your ultimate does a lot more damage with a magicka build than with a stamina build you can be sure that the damage of your stamina build isn't maximized yet.

Azalin76

Do you know if all ultimates scale off either or is it just class ultimates, I am wondering if meteor would scale off of my stamina if I have a stamina build.

Pirhana7_ESO

Azalin76 wrote: »

Do you know if all ultimates scale off either or is it just class ultimates, I am wondering if meteor would scale off of my stamina if I have a stamina build.

If your stamina/ weapon skill is higher than it will scale off of that. I have seen some stamina bow snipers do huge damag with metior

reften

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Ultimates scale of whatever ressource is higher. If your ultimate does a lot more damage with a magicka build than with a stamina build you can be sure that the damage of your stamina build isn't maximized yet.

I've seen this explanation over and over and it's confusing. When you say "resource" you're not talking about your total pool of stamina are you? You're talking about weapon dam vs. spell damage?

i.e. the damage done with my NB's veil is based off of my 3200 weapon dam, not my 800 spell damage...?

Azalin76

I would imagine it's the same concept, weapon dmg scales off of your stamina where spell dmg scales off of your magicka.

Enodoc

Ultimates don't scale off "magicka" or "stamina", they scale off "spell crit" or "weapon crit".
Disregard, that's what I get for blindly believing the Patch Notes.

traigusb14_ESO2

I was thrown off by Werewolf the other day.
On 1 char the timer is under his Sta bar.,.. and I got used to it.

Copied ot Xbox, and needed to get WW on another character for achievements.. and his timer was missing... was under his MAG bar lol. I felt dumb. I still look in the wrong place. Lucky for me he is getting cured after he gets his cheevos.

reften

Enodoc wrote: »

Ultimates don't scale off "magicka" or "stamina", they scale off "spell crit" or "weapon crit".

I swear, this game is so hard to figure out...

So my NBs veil's damage is based off of my weapon crit (which is the higher of the two crit ratings)??

Azalin76

I have never seen them scale off crit, while that may be included I have always seen them do more damage as I get more stamina or magicka.

notimetocare

Straight from 1.6.5 patch notes
"Synergy abilities now scale off your highest stats that are either stamina or magicka based.
Ultimates and Synergy abilities now always scale of your highest Critical Strike stat instead of just your Spell Critical Strike.
Abilities that cost magicka will now always scale off your magicka, spell damage, and spell critical strike stats.
Abilities that cost stamina will now always scale off your stamina, weapon damage, and weapon critical strike stats."

Meaning... Ults scale off stam or magicka. The higher stat is chosen. Once that is set, it will scall off spell or weapon crit and damage depending on which of the two resource pools were chosen. This is also 100% apparent if you just play with your state in game and watch ability numbers >.> Do not spread misinformation if you are clearly unable to read.

Edit: Notes themselves are deceptive, testing shows magicka and stam. It seems the patch notes failed to detail that fully.

notimetocare

Enodoc wrote: »

Ultimates don't scale off "magicka" or "stamina", they scale off "spell crit" or "weapon crit".

If you are going to be a community ambassador, educate yourself on the game FFS >.> Educate includes testing and not merely hoping that the notes are right. ZOS is pretty good at making errors in patch notes or leaving stuff out.

Azalin76

Thanks for clearing that up, it makes more sense now to see it that way. I guess it makes sense to base the scale from the crit because a stam user won't have more spell crit than weapon crit. Though I wonder what it scales from if you have no crit like at the beginning of the game.

Enodoc

notimetocare wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Ultimates don't scale off "magicka" or "stamina", they scale off "spell crit" or "weapon crit".

If you are going to be a community ambassador, educate yourself on the game FFS >.> Educate includes testing and not merely hoping that the notes are right. ZOS is pretty good at making errors in patch notes or leaving stuff out.

Fair enough, my mistake. That's the last time I try to help on anything related to builds, which I couldn't care less about
I'm going back to the Questing and Exploration section