Keep Emperor passives, make them Cyrodiil only.

Domander

Pretty much as the title says..

I am bitter at the thought of losing my Emp passives, it was a lot of work, and a nice little bonus. I know there's a lot of players that feel the same way.

It's not the reason for getting Emp, but it's something to show for it.

Iyas

nope, get rid of them

Rook_Master

Nope, I want all incentives for emp farming gone. This is a good thing.

Domander

Rook_Master wrote: »

Nope, I want all incentives for emp farming gone. This is a good thing.

Iyas wrote: »

nope, get rid of them

How about this, after they fix every bug in the game, then maybe you can have your wish.

Ernest145

Regardless of them being only in pvp zones only or not it creates an incentive for players just to farm and swap emp just for the former emp bonuses and not actually help out the alliance. I have a former emp toon and I really don't care to see these bonuses gone if it's going to help pvp overall.

Domander

Ernest145 wrote: »

Regardless of them being only in pvp zones only or not it creates an incentive for players just to farm and swap emp just for the former emp bonuses and not actually help out the alliance. I have a former emp toon and I really don't care to see these bonuses gone if it's going to help pvp overall.

I don't think it will change anything, also a healthy competitive campaign shouldn't have this issue. The way to fix it is to make the campaigns healthy and competitive.

Ulaidian

How about a monthly competition. 1 on 1 PvP, open draw. The last man or woman becomes the Emperor or Empress for a month. That would mean only 12 people a year could have it (unless the defending ruler actually won again).

Domander

Also, what's next? "Some players have earned too many champion points, to keep things fair, we're going to cap them at 200 for everyone. Sorry if you've put time into it."

Lava_Croft

Domander wrote: »

Also, what's next? "Some players have earned too many champion points, to keep things fair, we're going to cap them at 200 for everyone. Sorry if you've put time into it."

You clearly have absolutely no clue as to why the Former Emperor passives are planned to be removed.

ToRelax

Domander wrote: »

Pretty much as the title says..

I am bitter at the thought of losing my Emp passives, it was a lot of work, and a nice little bonus. I know there's a lot of players that feel the same way.

It's not the reason for getting Emp, but it's something to show for it.

It was the reason I worked to get emp myself. I think I have earned it more than most, and I didn't spend a thought on PvE at that time. It is an incentive to farm and trade emperor. You behave like a child who gets his toy taken away from him because it doesn't know how to use it right yet.

Maulkin

Domander wrote: »

Also, what's next? "Some players have earned too many champion points, to keep things fair, we're going to cap them at 200 for everyone. Sorry if you've put time into it."

You mean like before the Champion System release when they said "we're tracking your XP gain for CPs" and then completely reverted before release to "everyone gets a flat 70. Sorry for the time you put into it"? Like that? Then yes, completely possible.

And yes even though I chase CPs, because that's what you have to do to stay competitive, I would fully support a CP point cap. Because the way the system is at the moment 1k CPs is ridiculously overpowered compared to 0, thus new players are fecked even as v14s with decent gear. And it promotes grinding. I don't remember many people complaining about the fact that vet ranks were capped to v14 and therefore all v14s were on equal footing.

The whole point is that these changes are made to promote a healthier game. If that's not good enough for some who value their time and their buffs more than the health of the game then, in my opinion, too bad.

Psilent

No, so sick of the following behavior. Passives need to go!

1. Person stays up for 72 hours straight to get crowned and right after being throned goes to bed and loses it. When asked why he/she went to bed when AD jumped to 3 bars they say "Just did this for the passives and I needed sleep."

2. Person is wearing emperor costume/title at North Morrowind gate talking in /say while 3 bars of AD zerg the ring. When asked why he/she isn't defending they say "Guild got me the passives, they are on break while AD takes it back. I'm going to drop so my buddy can get the passives next."

3. Person is in full emperor costume/title in sneak on top floor of Alessia, while a group of 10 AD are taking it back. I say in a whisper "We can take them, let's go!" His/her response "lol just did this for the passives and letting them retake for a friend to get later. I'm just here to place oil pots in case people try to defend."

Domander

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

Also, what's next? "Some players have earned too many champion points, to keep things fair, we're going to cap them at 200 for everyone. Sorry if you've put time into it."

You clearly have absolutely no clue as to why the Former Emperor passives are planned to be removed.

Oh is it clear? It's because players are farming emperor and ruining campaigns doing it, at least that's what we assume. Let me ask, are you a dev? are you in on the meetings? Do you really know why?

The reason for them being removed doesn't matter, it's a can of worms.

Domander

Psilent wrote: »

No, so sick of the following behavior. Passives need to go!

1. Person stays up for 72 hours straight to get crowned and right after being throned goes to bed and loses it. When asked why he/she went to bed when AD jumped to 3 bars they say "Just did this for the passives and I needed sleep."

2. Person is wearing emperor costume/title at North Morrowind gate talking in /say while 3 bars of AD zerg the ring. When asked why he/she isn't defending they say "Guild got me the passives, they are on break while AD takes it back. I'm going to drop so my buddy can get the passives next."

3. Person is in full emperor costume/title in sneak on top floor of Alessia, while a group of 10 AD are taking it back. I say in a whisper "We can take them, let's go!" His/her response "lol just did this for the passives and letting them retake for a friend to get later. I'm just here to place oil pots in case people try to defend."

What campaign are you on?

Do you think this would happen on a healthy competitive campaign?

Psilent

Domander wrote: »

Psilent wrote: »

No, so sick of the following behavior. Passives need to go!

1. Person stays up for 72 hours straight to get crowned and right after being throned goes to bed and loses it. When asked why he/she went to bed when AD jumped to 3 bars they say "Just did this for the passives and I needed sleep."

2. Person is wearing emperor costume/title at North Morrowind gate talking in /say while 3 bars of AD zerg the ring. When asked why he/she isn't defending they say "Guild got me the passives, they are on break while AD takes it back. I'm going to drop so my buddy can get the passives next."

3. Person is in full emperor costume/title in sneak on top floor of Alessia, while a group of 10 AD are taking it back. I say in a whisper "We can take them, let's go!" His/her response "lol just did this for the passives and letting them retake for a friend to get later. I'm just here to place oil pots in case people try to defend."

What campaign are you on?

Do you think this would happen on a healthy competitive campaign?

Whatever campaign Guild of Shadows is on, which is currently Haderus and Thornblade. Yes it would, unless everyone can be on 24/7.

Domander

ToRelax wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

Pretty much as the title says..

I am bitter at the thought of losing my Emp passives, it was a lot of work, and a nice little bonus. I know there's a lot of players that feel the same way.

It's not the reason for getting Emp, but it's something to show for it.

It was the reason I worked to get emp myself. I think I have earned it more than most, and I didn't spend a thought on PvE at that time. It is an incentive to farm and trade emperor. You behave like a child who gets his toy taken away from him because it doesn't know how to use it right yet.

"You behave like a child who gets his toy taken away from him because it doesn't know how to use it right yet."

Now, I'm not entirely sure what that means, because it's not exactly a clear statement. The tone though leads me to believe that you need to....

Grow up

Domander

Psilent wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

Psilent wrote: »

No, so sick of the following behavior. Passives need to go!

1. Person stays up for 72 hours straight to get crowned and right after being throned goes to bed and loses it. When asked why he/she went to bed when AD jumped to 3 bars they say "Just did this for the passives and I needed sleep."

2. Person is wearing emperor costume/title at North Morrowind gate talking in /say while 3 bars of AD zerg the ring. When asked why he/she isn't defending they say "Guild got me the passives, they are on break while AD takes it back. I'm going to drop so my buddy can get the passives next."

3. Person is in full emperor costume/title in sneak on top floor of Alessia, while a group of 10 AD are taking it back. I say in a whisper "We can take them, let's go!" His/her response "lol just did this for the passives and letting them retake for a friend to get later. I'm just here to place oil pots in case people try to defend."

What campaign are you on?

Do you think this would happen on a healthy competitive campaign?

Whatever campaign Guild of Shadows is on, which is currently Haderus and Thornblade. Yes it would, unless everyone can be on 24/7.

That's my point, these campaigns have problems with populations being all over the place when different players want Emp.

Kupoking

With all the emp trading happening, former emps means nothing today to my eyes. Met and faced too many of the who gain it by playing the emp roulette in former buff servers.

Ive forseen this change to former emp passives the day people started exploiting celarus. The first time I was invited to 'help' someone gain emp there I was like : wtf am I doing, does that guy really deserve it? And left the group.

Domander

houimetub17_ESO wrote: »

With all the emp trading happening, former emps means nothing today to my eyes. Met and faced too many of the who gain it by playing the emp roulette in former buff servers.

Ive forseen this change to former emp passives the day people started exploiting celarus. The first time I was invited to 'help' someone gain emp there I was like : wtf am I doing, does that guy really deserve it? And left the group.

Too true, which I guess is part of why I feel a little bitter about it, the "former Emperor" title is junk, but at least you got some nifty passives and the fun you had while being Emp. If they do this then you have a crappy title.... and a costume you can't wear.. lol.

It sucks that there's players that exploited it/trade/etc, and it's not going to be "the end of the world" if they remove them. It just craps on players that earned it, and like I said earlier, can of worms.

I think all the other changes will do more to curb Emp trading than removing the passives. I'd like them to be cyrodiil only so that players no longer try for it just to enhance their pve stats.

Domander

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

Also, what's next? "Some players have earned too many champion points, to keep things fair, we're going to cap them at 200 for everyone. Sorry if you've put time into it."

You mean like before the Champion System release when they said "we're tracking your XP gain for CPs" and then completely reverted before release to "everyone gets a flat 70. Sorry for the time you put into it"? Like that? Then yes, completely possible.

And yes even though I chase CPs, because that's what you have to do to stay competitive, I would fully support a CP point cap. Because the way the system is at the moment 1k CPs is ridiculously overpowered compared to 0, thus new players are fecked even as v14s with decent gear. And it promotes grinding. I don't remember many people complaining about the fact that vet ranks were capped to v14 and therefore all v14s were on equal footing.

The whole point is that these changes are made to promote a healthier game. If that's not good enough for some who value their time and their buffs more than the health of the game then, in my opinion, too bad.

Yeah, I am for things that promote a healthier game, I just think there's better ways of going about this than crapping on players that really earned it. Like I said in another reply, I think all the other changes will do more to help with that issue than removing the passives, and I'd like them to be cyrodiil only so that players no longer try for it just to enhance their pve stats.

ToRelax

Domander wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

Pretty much as the title says..

I am bitter at the thought of losing my Emp passives, it was a lot of work, and a nice little bonus. I know there's a lot of players that feel the same way.

It's not the reason for getting Emp, but it's something to show for it.

It was the reason I worked to get emp myself. I think I have earned it more than most, and I didn't spend a thought on PvE at that time. It is an incentive to farm and trade emperor. You behave like a child who gets his toy taken away from him because it doesn't know how to use it right yet.

"You behave like a child who gets his toy taken away from him because it doesn't know how to use it right yet."

Now, I'm not entirely sure what that means, because it's not exactly a clear statement. The tone though leads me to believe that you need to....

Grow up

You say you are bitter because you lose a little bonus that was not even the reason to get emp.
If it's indeed so little you should be able to look at the bigger picture. Thank the emp traders who made this achievement worthless in the first place, not ZOS for removing something that has lost it's meaning long ago to prevent further emp trading.

You seem to think emp trading doesn't happen on a "healthy and competitive campaign". Well, it's a cycle, it's certainly harder to pull off the more people are resisting, but it's also destroying healthy PvP in the first place.

When you make your own thread, bring some arguments why your proposal should be a better way to handle the problem.
You say they should work in Cyrodiil only, but I already told you the buffs were my incentive to get emperor anyway, even though I never left Cyrodiil at that time.

vortexman11

I'm just throwing it out there again. Getting rid of these buffs wont end emperor farming.

Lava_Croft

Domander wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

Also, what's next? "Some players have earned too many champion points, to keep things fair, we're going to cap them at 200 for everyone. Sorry if you've put time into it."

You clearly have absolutely no clue as to why the Former Emperor passives are planned to be removed.

Oh is it clear? It's because players are farming emperor and ruining campaigns doing it, at least that's what we assume. Let me ask, are you a dev? are you in on the meetings? Do you really know why?

The reason for them being removed doesn't matter, it's a can of worms.

The developers themselves stated very clearly why the passives are being removed.

MrGhosty

I feel for you OP, as a low level scrub I have wanted to get Emperor as that was an accomplishment (at the time) As is the case with so many online games, we cannot have nice things because of those who abuse or exploit.

I don't think making the buffs cyrodil only would actually do any good as there are many "leet" guilds who are farming emp just so all of their members have the correct amount of resources for PvP. Any advantage will be chased and exploited if possible, this is especially true for any PvP game.

I've come to learn that you should never become comfortable with something being a given. Every aspect of an online game is transient and the minute you start to believe it is not, you will be disappointed. Additionally there is no real way to differentiate between those who earned Emp legit and those who did not so the only fair way is to take it from everyone equally. I wouldn't be too concerned though, I suspect at some point there will be a new carrot for you to chase that you'll be able to enjoy until it is eventually abused and then taken way.

Condolences

Psilent

vortexman11 wrote: »

I'm just throwing it out there again. Getting rid of these buffs wont end emperor farming.

Yes it will; however, it will encourage buff campaign emperors. Those who want the buffs all the time will make sure they keep the throne for weeks.

Weberda

Psilent wrote: »

vortexman11 wrote: »

I'm just throwing it out there again. Getting rid of these buffs wont end emperor farming.

Yes it will; however, it will encourage buff campaign emperors. Those who want the buffs all the time will make sure they keep the throne for weeks.

Per Brian Wheeler - 1,700 emps since the game began. Doing some rough math that's about 4 per day...WTH?

WarrioroftheWind_ESO

Weberda wrote: »

Psilent wrote: »

vortexman11 wrote: »

I'm just throwing it out there again. Getting rid of these buffs wont end emperor farming.

Yes it will; however, it will encourage buff campaign emperors. Those who want the buffs all the time will make sure they keep the throne for weeks.

Per Brian Wheeler - 1,700 emps since the game began. Doing some rough math that's about 4 per day...WTH?

That sounds about right assuming this takes into account all servers that existed, and that some servers you had emps reigning for 60+ days on a nigh-constant vigil, jumping in to defend if the ring were ever threatened, heck if KC LM were ever threatened. Then you had the servers where the LB was a revolving door of scrub emps. Come on in kiddies get yourself a paper crown and a toy and on you go. Next!

This was a long time coming and I'm more angry than anything that it took so long for ZOS to admit this was a problem. They kept sitting on the fence that "oh people need incentives to pvp" their incentive to pvp should be TO PVP. Thats why we have streamers that exalt in testing their builds and honing their skills, or players that love racking up the points proving their strength. There shouldn't be any of this under-the-table wheeling and dealing. I shouldn't be told "take down your siege, don't discourage them' when I try to defend a keep. I shouldn't have to watch helplessly as some douchewad places over a dozen oilpots on the GROUND and on the TOP of the keep in the middle of the stairs, meanwhile his guildie is sitting with his thumbs up his ass ready to drop the camp as soon as the last ring keep flips. Actions and attitudes of that like made me enraged to the point where I have more burning hatred towards members of my own faction than I do my enemy, and infact my enemy has proven more civil in stark contrast.

Admit it, this needs to go. It needed to go months ago. Who remembers the little new column showcasing early emps? Anyone? There was all of one guy, and they had planned to do a series on it, but that column kind of went the way of the dodo as soon as you had entire guilds xploiting their way to the top and churning out emps like no tomorrow. Half of those people don't even pvp regularly, they're just hardcore min-maxers who do trials then complain that the content is too easy because they have PVP buffs out the yin yang. For every one player who earned emperor legitimately through their own skill and patience, there are I guaranfuckingtee you there are dozens more who cheesed their way into it.

ZOS thought they made something fun to obtain, but it's turned into a hideous reminder of how scummy and inconsiderate people can be. I know you witnessed first hand alot of emp trading, so don't try to act like it WASN'T a problem, and that the emp buffs WEREN'T a key factor in facilitating this. PVP is in the sorry state it is in today not because the buffs exist, but because people coveted them to the point of being willing to hose an entire faction's effort in the war effort. It might be historically fitting in the Interregnum, but the Interregnum didn't have paying subscribers did it?

vortexman11

Weberda wrote: »

Psilent wrote: »

vortexman11 wrote: »

I'm just throwing it out there again. Getting rid of these buffs wont end emperor farming.

Yes it will; however, it will encourage buff campaign emperors. Those who want the buffs all the time will make sure they keep the throne for weeks.

Per Brian Wheeler - 1,700 emps since the game began. Doing some rough math that's about 4 per day...WTH?

Well, 4 emperors a day, 4 campaigns not including non vet, ontop of that there used to be more than 4 campaigns. So its not as bad as it sounds.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

My opinion when you arent emperor anymore you shouldnt have the buffs.

Forestd16b14_ESO

Hmm ..... No and again no. Why? Well if they stay reguardless of being for pvp only guilds will still gate camp and set up emperor farming servers and emp flips still ruining pvp. So last time no so please enough crying that your exploits are finally getting shut down.

Forestd16b14_ESO

vortexman11 wrote: »

Weberda wrote: »

Psilent wrote: »

vortexman11 wrote: »

I'm just throwing it out there again. Getting rid of these buffs wont end emperor farming.

Yes it will; however, it will encourage buff campaign emperors. Those who want the buffs all the time will make sure they keep the throne for weeks.

Per Brian Wheeler - 1,700 emps since the game began. Doing some rough math that's about 4 per day...WTH?

Well, 4 emperors a day, 4 campaigns not including non vet, ontop of that there used to be more than 4 campaigns. So its not as bad as it sounds.

What if there all being done on one server though?