Experience Booster Sort of Worth It

Personofsecrets

-EXP Booster @ my favorite grind spot for 1 hour = 3 CP earned

- my favorite grind spot for 1 hour = 2 CP earned

So for every hour I grind 1 PA = 1 CP

Assuming that it takes me 1 hour to farm 1 roe, then it takes 1 hour to get 4 PA

4 PA = 4 extra CP over 4 hours. So I get 2 Hours of grinding value for 1 hour of fishing.

When is this not worth it? In my opinion, when there is no enlightenment. Playing the game is hardly worth it without enlightenment, so maybe that doesn't mean much.

Furor

No offense, but 3,600 = 1,440,000,000 experience.

No XP booster = 2 CP @ 1 hour = 1,800 hours = 75 played days.
XP booster = 3 CP @ 1 hour = 1,200 hours = 50 played days.

If you're looting while you're grinding you'll be making a good amount of cash. Easily making 15k over 3 hours. That will buy you your 1 Perfect Roe instead of wasting 1 hour farming.

That sounds pretty worth it to me...

Personofsecrets

Furor wrote: »

No offense, but 3,600 = 1,440,000,000 experience.

No XP booster = 2 CP @ 1 hour = 1,800 hours = 75 played days.
XP booster = 3 CP @ 1 hour = 1,200 hours = 50 played days.

If you're looting while you're grinding you'll be making a good amount of cash. Easily making 15k over 3 hours. That will buy you your 1 Perfect Roe instead of wasting 1 hour farming.

That sounds pretty worth it to me...

again, it only works super well while enlightened, which has been the problem with cp this whole time.

nimander99

6 CP's today so far

Hypertionb14_ESO

they need to make XP boosters not affect CP gain..

as it is it literally fits the definition of Pay to win because of the fact that the Crown Store option is more efficient and arguably easier to get.

Personofsecrets

nimander99 wrote: »

6 CP's today so far

enlightened?

Personofsecrets

Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »

they need to make XP boosters not affect CP gain..

as it is it literally fits the definition of Pay to win because of the fact that the Crown Store option is more efficient and arguably easier to get.

pay to win is old new, it's here to stay, this we can't fight because of console and sub fee.

removing cp, limiting its effect, or making catching up 9001 times easier is the new fight to take up.

FriedEggSandwich

I always thought pay to win was paying for something better that you coukdn't get through normal gameplay, like an exclusive weapon or armour set that was just better than anything else in game. Technically xp boosters are just pay to progress faster. I don't see them as p2w because you can achieve the same thing through normal gameplay, just slower.

Personofsecrets

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

I always thought pay to win was paying for something better that you coukdn't get through normal gameplay, like an exclusive weapon or armour set that was just better than anything else in game. Technically xp boosters are just pay to progress faster. I don't see them as p2w because you can achieve the same thing through normal gameplay, just slower.

well, think about it this way.

Technically you can get all of the hearthstone cards by grinding and opening packs, but you can buy them and that is much faster. You obviously need good cards to win against others who have good cards. Winning earns you leader boards points which could eventually earn a trip to Hearthstone world championships. So this very moment, some players are further progressed in the game than others because they have spent money. They have payed to win.

This is the same as in ESO. What you think of as exclusive weapons might as well be exclusive champion point levels or exclusive strategies that can only be done with high champion point levels.

I honestly don't think that eso is competitive enough or with important enough rewards/audience to make pay to win actually matter, but absurd champion point levels have already been annoying to a lot of people and so far they have only been gotten through exploit to win and grind to win. The exp pots will certainly help some players win that haven't been winning before, but again, the boat has sailed on not having players being able to pay for an advantage. It doesn't bother me too much, but I can imagine a world in the not too distant future there there are enough overpowered players due to exploit/grind/pay to win to make the average player not enjoy pvp or pve leader boards.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

lol so you are saying the only way to get CP is to exploit or grind? You know you get CP by earning XP right? The best way to earn XP is by questing 80% of the time. The good grind spots are all overcrowded anyways.

As far as leaderboards if you are new why would you even consider that you should be on the leaderboards?

Personofsecrets

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

lol so you are saying the only way to get CP is to exploit or grind? You know you get CP by earning XP right? The best way to earn XP is by questing 80% of the time. The good grind spots are all overcrowded anyways.

I'm saying the only way to get greater than average cp is to exploit, grind, or pay. That is obvious.

Furor

Personofsecrets wrote: »

I'm saying the only way to get greater than average cp is to exploit, grind, or pay. That is obvious.

You basically just said that you want more reward for less work...

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

Personofsecrets wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

lol so you are saying the only way to get CP is to exploit or grind? You know you get CP by earning XP right? The best way to earn XP is by questing 80% of the time. The good grind spots are all overcrowded anyways.

I'm saying the only way to get greater than average cp is to exploit, grind, or pay. That is obvious.

This is not true. I bought a bunch of xp pots in the game today for 3-4k each. Why on earth would you pay for them when they are so cheap for gold in the game? You guys are silly.

Personofsecrets

Furor wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

I'm saying the only way to get greater than average cp is to exploit, grind, or pay. That is obvious.

You basically just said that you want more reward for less work...

That is not so.

Personofsecrets

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

lol so you are saying the only way to get CP is to exploit or grind? You know you get CP by earning XP right? The best way to earn XP is by questing 80% of the time. The good grind spots are all overcrowded anyways.

I'm saying the only way to get greater than average cp is to exploit, grind, or pay. That is obvious.

This is not true. I bought a bunch of xp pots in the game today for 3-4k each. Why on earth would you pay for them when they are so cheap for gold in the game? You guys are silly.

Good job at grind to win.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

Personofsecrets wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

lol so you are saying the only way to get CP is to exploit or grind? You know you get CP by earning XP right? The best way to earn XP is by questing 80% of the time. The good grind spots are all overcrowded anyways.

I'm saying the only way to get greater than average cp is to exploit, grind, or pay. That is obvious.

This is not true. I bought a bunch of xp pots in the game today for 3-4k each. Why on earth would you pay for them when they are so cheap for gold in the game? You guys are silly.

Good job at grind to win.

Best way to earn XP is questing. Not grinding. At least for me because I dont have a lot of time to be in the game.

Personofsecrets

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

lol so you are saying the only way to get CP is to exploit or grind? You know you get CP by earning XP right? The best way to earn XP is by questing 80% of the time. The good grind spots are all overcrowded anyways.

I'm saying the only way to get greater than average cp is to exploit, grind, or pay. That is obvious.

This is not true. I bought a bunch of xp pots in the game today for 3-4k each. Why on earth would you pay for them when they are so cheap for gold in the game? You guys are silly.

Good job at grind to win.

Best way to earn XP is questing. Not grinding. At least for me because I dont have a lot of time to be in the game.

>Starts new toon to do things they have already done before
>Not grinding

WebBull

This just reminded me how slow the CP gain is in PvP vs PvE.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

Personofsecrets wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

lol so you are saying the only way to get CP is to exploit or grind? You know you get CP by earning XP right? The best way to earn XP is by questing 80% of the time. The good grind spots are all overcrowded anyways.

I'm saying the only way to get greater than average cp is to exploit, grind, or pay. That is obvious.

This is not true. I bought a bunch of xp pots in the game today for 3-4k each. Why on earth would you pay for them when they are so cheap for gold in the game? You guys are silly.

Good job at grind to win.

Best way to earn XP is questing. Not grinding. At least for me because I dont have a lot of time to be in the game.

>Starts new toon to do things they have already done before
>Not grinding

I dont understand what you mean. Also its character not toon. WoW has toons. This isnt a kids game.

Personofsecrets

And get this straight, I don't care about exploit, grind, or pay to win. I know eventually that people will see it as problematic.

For example look at master weapons and the undaunted 2 piece sets. When they came out I was mocked for saying that the trait system was going to make gearing take forever and should be changed to make gear more accessible for everyone. People said that players have to really "work" for their gear and that ESO is an MMO so the trait system is how it should be.

Now months later, many players are fed up with bad traits and armor types. Many players who have played regularly since the release of those items still can't play how they want. Some players have even quit the game because they earned the items they wanted but never got them after 100s of vdsa attempts or vet dungeon helm runs.

Until the majority of players see the logical conclusion of champion points, I will just sit and wait.

asteldian

Personofsecrets wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

lol so you are saying the only way to get CP is to exploit or grind? You know you get CP by earning XP right? The best way to earn XP is by questing 80% of the time. The good grind spots are all overcrowded anyways.

I'm saying the only way to get greater than average cp is to exploit, grind, or pay. That is obvious.

This is not true. I bought a bunch of xp pots in the game today for 3-4k each. Why on earth would you pay for them when they are so cheap for gold in the game? You guys are silly.

Good job at grind to win.

Grind to win is a different issue altogether. With or without xp pots it is a problem because of poor xp doing actual content. In theory this will be addressed next major patch - whenever the hell that is.

Pay to win doesn't really apply here due to how readily available the potions are. You can make more gold in one 20 min dungeon run than it costs to buy the potions, so, while the lazy or those who value gold more than real money may use crowns for them, the reality is there really is no need whatsoever to do so, especially given how readily available gold is in this game.

While it is true Pay to win can exist when items are available in shop and in game (such as end game gear which is hard to get due to needing to raid with others and be coordinated and successful or stuff that takes an obscene amount of time to farm such as certain LotRO items) in regards to xp potions it is hardly the case.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

I certainly wouldnt buy any from the store for like $1 each when I can get them in the game for 3-4k ea.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

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Personofsecrets

asteldian wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

lol so you are saying the only way to get CP is to exploit or grind? You know you get CP by earning XP right? The best way to earn XP is by questing 80% of the time. The good grind spots are all overcrowded anyways.

I'm saying the only way to get greater than average cp is to exploit, grind, or pay. That is obvious.

This is not true. I bought a bunch of xp pots in the game today for 3-4k each. Why on earth would you pay for them when they are so cheap for gold in the game? You guys are silly.

Good job at grind to win.

Grind to win is a different issue altogether. With or without xp pots it is a problem because of poor xp doing actual content. In theory this will be addressed next major patch - whenever the hell that is.

Pay to win doesn't really apply here due to how readily available the potions are. You can make more gold in one 20 min dungeon run than it costs to buy the potions, so, while the lazy or those who value gold more than real money may use crowns for them, the reality is there really is no need whatsoever to do so, especially given how readily available gold is in this game.

While it is true Pay to win can exist when items are available in shop and in game (such as end game gear which is hard to get due to needing to raid with others and be coordinated and successful or stuff that takes an obscene amount of time to farm such as certain LotRO items) in regards to xp potions it is hardly the case.

"With or without xp pots it is a problem because of poor xp doing actual content." You hit the nail on the head. As far is it being fixed, trials exp was 'fixed' a while back, but it is still horrendously poor. We will have to wait and see the next solution.

Personofsecrets

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

The word "toon" is used by children. Adults use the term character. As you can tell by my name I am hardly new.

Are you frustrated with all of the 'children' playing this game?

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

Personofsecrets wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

The word "toon" is used by children. Adults use the term character. As you can tell by my name I am hardly new.

Are you frustrated with all of the 'children' playing this game?

No I am just saying this is a game rated mature. How many adults you see running around talking about "toons"? Anyways kinda off topic anyways. Just irks me when people say the word toon. If this was like hello kitty online I could understand it.

Amsel_McKay

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

The word "toon" is used by children. Adults use the term character. As you can tell by my name I am hardly new.

Are you frustrated with all of the 'children' playing this game?

No I am just saying this is a game rated mature. How many adults you see running around talking about "toons"? Anyways kinda off topic anyways. Just irks me when people say the word toon. If this was like hello kitty online I could understand it.

"adults" call them toons, and "chars"... cartoon: "a motion picture using animation techniques to photograph a sequence of drawings rather than real people or objects." so by that definition the actor on the screen is a cartoon or "toon" for short, or you are playing a character...

The thing I dont understand is when I played AD&D in 1994 we called our characters "toons"... and in EQ and AC people also called them "toons"... so I think their is another reason behind the name that has nothing to do with "cartoons".

To stay on topic the "EXP Booster" is only useful for leveling CPs and Vet because I already am 6-8 levels over leveled when leveling my toon / char level 1-50

HungryHobo

Personofsecrets wrote: »

-EXP Booster @ my favorite grind spot for 1 hour = 3 CP earned

- my favorite grind spot for 1 hour = 2 CP earned

So for every hour I grind 1 PA = 1 CP

Assuming that it takes me 1 hour to farm 1 roe, then it takes 1 hour to get 4 PA

4 PA = 4 extra CP over 4 hours. So I get 2 Hours of grinding value for 1 hour of fishing.

When is this not worth it? In my opinion, when there is no enlightenment. Playing the game is hardly worth it without enlightenment, so maybe that doesn't mean much.

Are you enlightened when you're grinding? And Heck ya its worth it. Time saved grinding is extra time in endgame stuff, or stuff that is more entertaining than just grinding.. hah.

And to stop the quarreling that is half of this thread... they are boosting xp gains from quest completions/poi completions/craglorn again. So "Grinders" wont be 4x more efficient at leveling/gaining xp (Hopefully...)

Darkonflare15

Personofsecrets wrote: »

And get this straight, I don't care about exploit, grind, or pay to win. I know eventually that people will see it as problematic.

For example look at master weapons and the undaunted 2 piece sets. When they came out I was mocked for saying that the trait system was going to make gearing take forever and should be changed to make gear more accessible for everyone. People said that players have to really "work" for their gear and that ESO is an MMO so the trait system is how it should be.

Now months later, many players are fed up with bad traits and armor types. Many players who have played regularly since the release of those items still can't play how they want. Some players have even quit the game because they earned the items they wanted but never got them after 100s of vdsa attempts or vet dungeon helm runs.

Until the majority of players see the logical conclusion of champion points, I will just sit and wait.

With that kind of logic you can expect that all ideas are going to in up bad ideas. So is best to just sucked it up and take the bad with the good since there will always be consequences in any decisions that happen.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

If this game starts becoming "work" Im going to "quit" hehe

Personofsecrets

HungryHobo wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

-EXP Booster @ my favorite grind spot for 1 hour = 3 CP earned

- my favorite grind spot for 1 hour = 2 CP earned

So for every hour I grind 1 PA = 1 CP

Assuming that it takes me 1 hour to farm 1 roe, then it takes 1 hour to get 4 PA

4 PA = 4 extra CP over 4 hours. So I get 2 Hours of grinding value for 1 hour of fishing.

When is this not worth it? In my opinion, when there is no enlightenment. Playing the game is hardly worth it without enlightenment, so maybe that doesn't mean much.

Are you enlightened when you're grinding? And Heck ya its worth it. Time saved grinding is extra time in endgame stuff, or stuff that is more entertaining than just grinding.. hah.

And to stop the quarreling that is half of this thread... they are boosting xp gains from quest completions/poi completions/craglorn again. So "Grinders" wont be 4x more efficient at leveling/gaining xp (Hopefully...)

Yes, I was enlightened for this. I can almost not be bothered to play the game when not enlightened. I would totally agree with you, but there is nothing really left to do in this game that seems obtainable. Even something like caltrops seems like a waste of time for the return on being in a totally broken/zergy pvp.