Done playing until races are fixed

Tykune

I've tried very hard to make something out of my khajiit character and I've only been met with people telling me that my race is gimped compared to other races, no matter the class. End game, imperials and redguards out-do khajiits in terms of nightblades, and they are sub-par when it comes to other classes. At this point in time, the race as a whole is gimped and offers less than what other races outfitted in the nightblade class could give, as well as other classes. Regardless of price, everyone may as well just play an imperial as their main melee toon since they get a whopping 12% to base health, 10% base stamina, and 10% chance of getting a good amount of hp return on melee attacks, made further overpowered due to the champion system and various passives (undaunted and others). Why even bother with any other race?

Regardless of being a 'purchase only' race, it does not mean they should excel heavily in both pve and pvp situations over other races, while the khajiit have an underminded feel around it given that their hp regen passive is the worst in the game, and have yet to be fixed or improved by the huge update.

So for the time being, I am done playing this game and hope that someday that Khajiit will be competitive once more.. but I will be keeping an eye on patch notes in hopes of racial balancing.

Shunravi

Buh bye.

Meanwhile I will continue to play my khajiit at endgame.

AlnilamE

Play Imperial? Booooring!

I'll stick with my Khajiit, Argonians and mer, TYVM.

pecheckler

Zenimax already confirmed they are going to buff weaker racial passives and will later offer a race change service.

Psychobunni

I really don't know why people get all hung up on this. The player controlling it makes the toon. All the racial passives/buffs/gears/etc..etc..etc.. can't take the place of a well played toon.

Play what you want to play, and work towards making it the best you possibly can working with the tools you have. Ask for advice and research for more. There are plenty of Khajiits rocking PVE and PVP, bad players are simply bad players.

Tykune

pecheckler wrote: »

Zenimax already confirmed they are going to buff weaker racial passives and will later offer a race change service.

It will depend on how much they buff them, but I dont think khajiits need a buff. The imperial race needs to get toned down by a large margain due to the champion system

Yakidafi

Khajiit not competitive, what? My khajiit manage top notch in both PvP and PvE

deadlock007

If you are blaming racial passives on you not being competitive in end game content then I am afraid you will be in for a big disappointment when/if they do "fix" them and realize you are still not competitive.

Pman85

kitty stam NB runs those meters LOL
being a kitty stam NB is one of the best!

Dont listen to those clowns. While race does make a difference.. it is so small that you could play a orc magika user and still keep pace in a endgame hardcore guild, no if ands or butts about it.

they seem jealous that they cant be a kitty riding a kitty (get it? Khajit riding a tiger LOL =D)

Reverb

You may be putting too much stock in the opinions of the people disparaging Khajiiti in ESO. It is true that the racial bonuses are imbalanced, and that Khajiit bonuses are not the strongest. But there are plenty of us with end-game kitties who would never consider the race "gimped", as you apparently do. There are plenty of Khajiiti former emps who are quite content with their build.

Yukian

If your character sucks.... its probably your fault. Race does play a small part, but that can be made up for.

Tykune

deadlock007 wrote: »

If you are blaming racial passives on you not being competitive in end game content then I am afraid you will be in for a big disappointment when/if they do "fix" them and realize you are still not competitive.

And its obvious you are not understanding the whole meaning around my post, but I'll be happy to elaborate for you.

Imperials have a percentage boost to their HP and Stamina (12% and 10%). If you know your basic math, you know that percentages upon percentages upon percentages on top of a base stat offers the best possible boost. The champion system runs off percentages in terms of boosting base stats, as well as other passives such a undaunted mettle, and so forth. With the right equipment, you could have an imperial with 21k hp with 0 points in health. I'd like to see that done with any other race, as I have checked, and its not possible.

http://i.imgur.com/4FzAt26.jpg

Source: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/158235/nb-dual-wield-bow-pve-dps-build-patch-2-0

Erock25

These people are clueless saying race doesn't matter. A good race versus a bad race for your build is basically like having two extra major armor slots with legendary v14 items.

deadlock007

Tykune wrote: »

deadlock007 wrote: »

If you are blaming racial passives on you not being competitive in end game content then I am afraid you will be in for a big disappointment when/if they do "fix" them and realize you are still not competitive.

And its obvious you are not understanding the whole meaning around my post, but I'll be happy to elaborate for you.

Imperials have a percentage boost to their HP and Stamina (12% and 10%). If you know your basic math, you know that percentages upon percentages upon percentages on top of a base stat offers the best possible boost. The champion system runs off percentages in terms of boosting base stats, as well as other passives such a undaunted mettle, and so forth. With the right equipment, you could have an imperial with 21k hp with 0 points in health. I'd like to see that done with any other race, as I have checked, and its not possible.

And obviously I struck I nerve somewhere since you quoted me out of all the rest of the comments that are telling you to L2P. We are just pointing out that ANY race can be competitive at end game content and if you think it is the race you chose to play that is holding you back then you have bigger issues.

Also, I work in accounting so I know how math works in real life. I also play the game well enough that whatever my race is has never held me back.

Plus goodbye threads are not allowed.

Tykune

deadlock007 wrote: »

Tykune wrote: »

deadlock007 wrote: »

If you are blaming racial passives on you not being competitive in end game content then I am afraid you will be in for a big disappointment when/if they do "fix" them and realize you are still not competitive.

And its obvious you are not understanding the whole meaning around my post, but I'll be happy to elaborate for you.

Imperials have a percentage boost to their HP and Stamina (12% and 10%). If you know your basic math, you know that percentages upon percentages upon percentages on top of a base stat offers the best possible boost. The champion system runs off percentages in terms of boosting base stats, as well as other passives such a undaunted mettle, and so forth. With the right equipment, you could have an imperial with 21k hp with 0 points in health. I'd like to see that done with any other race, as I have checked, and its not possible.

And obviously I struck I nerve somewhere since you quoted me out of all the rest of the comments that are telling you to L2P. We are just pointing out that ANY race can be competitive at end game content and if you think it is the race you chose to play that is holding you back then you have bigger issues.

Also, I work in accounting so I know how math works in real life. I also play the game well enough that whatever my race is has never held me back.

Plus goodbye threads are not allowed.

You were the only one I have replied to since long explainations take a bit of time while other comments will filter through, so dont think too highly of yourself for striking any nerve. Whether you are in accounting or not, it does not matter. You could lying or even a terrible accountant, or you may be an accountant who is top notch. I'll just take it with a grain of salt, but I've explained the basis between two races and the general opinion others have regarding the race. And seeing the general amount of insults people are laying to the ratio of a few who are trying to be encouraging, there is no other reason to be here since I will only get further insults.

Also, this isn't a goodbye thread. Its a 'I am taking a break until things get adjusted/fixed' thread.

Reverb

deadlock007 wrote: »

Plus goodbye threads are not allowed.

Bah, quit threads are so 2014. And with the console players in the sandbox with us we don't even get to ask for their stuff

Shaloran

Tykune wrote: »

I've tried very hard to make something out of my khajiit character and I've only been met with people telling me that my race is gimped compared to other races, no matter the class. End game, imperials and redguards out-do khajiits in terms of nightblades, and they are sub-par when it comes to other classes. At this point in time, the race as a whole is gimped and offers less than what other races outfitted in the nightblade class could give, as well as other classes. Regardless of price, everyone may as well just play an imperial as their main melee toon since they get a whopping 12% to base health, 10% base stamina, and 10% chance of getting a good amount of hp return on melee attacks, made further overpowered due to the champion system and various passives (undaunted and others). Why even bother with any other race?

Regardless of being a 'purchase only' race, it does not mean they should excel heavily in both pve and pvp situations over other races, while the khajiit have an underminded feel around it given that their hp regen passive is the worst in the game, and have yet to be fixed or improved by the huge update.

So for the time being, I am done playing this game and hope that someday that Khajiit will be competitive once more.. but I will be keeping an eye on patch notes in hopes of racial balancing.

If you don't like what the race offers, then why did you choose it without doing any kind of research? That's like blindly ordering anchovies on a pizza without knowing what they are, and then blaming the pizzeria, no? If you did it because you love the race and for RP purposes, then I say kudos to you, but it's still your fault and you should know that in MMOs, sticking with what you like vs what the meta tells you requires sacrifice. You'll just have to work harder and play better to achieve your numbers, but at least you're doing what you are most passionate about.

Good luck, and happy gaming

MCMancub

I'll level with you that Imperials are too strong and need their racials need a rework, but that in no way makes Khajit bad or worse than Redguard.

waterfairy

Who cares about end game at mid game? I'm playing a dual wielding Khajiit templar and enjoying it. I have an Altmer sorcerer that could probably be my end game guy if I plan on going the distance but I doubt I ever will as grinding to the top isn't my focus, I simply create a character that I like and play.

I know it's an mmo but I don't understand the need to squeeze everything out of a character and try to be the best of the best, picking only the best setup even if you don't like it...do you even enjoy your time playing like that? It seems like it would feel like more of a chore then fun.

MCMancub

Vigarr wrote: »

Who cares about end game at mid game? I'm playing a dual wielding Khajiit templar and enjoying it. I have an Altmer sorcerer that could probably be my end game guy if I plan on going the distance but I doubt I ever will as grinding to the top isn't my focus, I simply create a character that I like and play.

I know it's an mmo but I don't understand the need to squeeze everything out of a character and try to be the best of the best, picking only the best setup even if you don't like it...do you even enjoy your time playing like that? It seems like it would feel like more of a chore then fun.

Pretty much this. WoW has people in the mindset that they have to min/max in order to succeed in ESO and that's just simply not true.

TequilaFire

Passive
Medium Armor Expertise
Increase experience gain with Medium Armor skill line by 15%.
Passive
Robust (0/3)
Increase Health regeneration while in combat by 5%.
Passive
Stealthy (0/3)
Increases Stealth radius by 1 meter.
Increases
damage done while stealthed by 3%.
Passive
Carnage (0/3)
Increase Critical rating for melee attacks by 3%.

How do these passives do nothing but help a Nightblade?

Lynx7386

Khajiit are the best race for any class, and still would be even without any racials, because they're khajiit.

Obviously you're just not good enough to be khajiit.

Alp2760

I prefer using my khajiit to my imperial. I'm staying alive just fine and doing content on both so that's good enough for me.

I could care less if there is a 2% chance to do X which will add 3% of Y which, when combined with 5% of Z, used following directly after A, also means I have a 6.5% chance to B for C which in the grand scheme of things mean, if everything is button pressed in the right sequence, with the right timing and circumstance, I end up doing a bit more damage and maybe get a heal.

Just play the game mate, I understand if a race is so poor that a majority of the play Base can't complete content with it but as I understand, any race/class can get through anything. So forget the numbers and the uber pwnage 1 hits, relax and enjoy.

Or take a break, that is also a very viable thing if it isn't for you. Why you feel the need to tell everyone though, is a mystery to me. I stop playing games all the time, I've never once felt inclined to tell the community or developers, just accepted I am happier doing something else and done it.

Telel

Telel finds that there are usually only four cases when other night blades consistently out perform this one.

1) They're Sypher or someone on an equivalent skill level.

2) They're bow monkey, or spinja glass cannons who catch this one already stun locked by their buddies, or riding on a horse.

3) They use macros and gank from stealth to perform 1 second kills.

4) A combination of numbers 2 and 3.

While khajiit may not need to point this out to smart people they will at least be helpful and say that two of those three things require someone else to do the real work. Smart people will also take note that race matters very little in any of them.

The not so smart people will of course just call Telel names but khajiit understands that those of the superior mindsets must let out all the biggest words they know lest they float away in a heavy breeze.

Also do keep in mind that Telel is in fact not very good at this game. They just happen to know how to do super secret things like, interrupting, using more than damage skills, and leading groups.

Victus

Meh, while I have a lower level Khajiiti Magicka Templar, I sometimes wonder if I should have picked a "better" race for it. I just like the look of the guy, and had a concept in mind and went for it.

Lynx7386

Victus wrote: »

Meh, while I have a lower level Khajiiti Magicka Templar, I sometimes wonder if I should have picked a "better" race for it. I just like the look of the guy, and had a concept in mind and went for it.

All of my characters are khajiit, including a tank, healer, and magicka dps.

UTG_Zilla

Khajit nb is my main and I love it. I really don't see how it's "gimped" with all that damage/crit increases and up to 30% health recovery in combat with 3/3.

Choosing a wrong class will effect your play like by like 1%. The other 99% is skills/play style/gear. If that 1% is hanging you up then maybe eso isn't the mmo for you.