CP on Blackwater

Valen_Byte

@Zos Please disable champion points on Blackwater Blade.

Vyle_Byte

Agreed, its ruining the only awesome server left.

Phinix1

Vyle_Byte wrote: »

Agreed, its ruining the only awesome server left.

Quiet you. All those Grind to Win and Pay to Win (XP pot grinding) ego fappers EARNED the right to completely unfair and unbalanced PVP.

GG, ZOS.

Valen_Byte

AlienDiplomat wrote: »

Vyle_Byte wrote: »

Agreed, its ruining the only awesome server left.

Quiet you. All those Grind to Win and Pay to Win (XP pot grinding) ego fappers EARNED the right to completely unfair and unbalanced PVP.

GG, ZOS.

It really suck. Playing on Blackwater is about the only thing I enjoy anymore. Well, until today. Seems the uber elite have decided to come and ruin it. Take a look at the Blackwater map and it will be obvious what faction has decided to do this.

Poxheart

Wonderful... the only campaign I have any enjoyment playing and DC has decided to paint it blue. Buncha losers.

WRX

Seems like everyone is asking for the same exact PvP character. ESDOTA

Snit

It's a progression MMO. If you don't like the fact that people grow in power over time, you may be in the wrong sort of game.

Valen_Byte

WRX wrote: »

Seems like everyone is asking for the same exact PvP character. ESDOTA

No, what Im asking for is CP to be disabled on the non-vet campaign. I think I said that in my OP, not sure though.

Valen_Byte

Snit wrote: »

It's a progression MMO. If you don't like the fact that people grow in power over time, you may be in the wrong sort of game.

Nope, Im not in the wrong game. The Elite with 500-700 CP are in the wrong campaign.

InvictoNZ

Which CP ability is breaking the PvP?

I think I've gained 1 CP in the last month.
Without BWB I'd be playing something else.

Seems like everyone rolled a blue alt this cycle.

Bullgar

Map's not all blue anymore.

If it wasn't for BWB, I'd have stopped playing ESO. Thank goodness for a breath of fresh pvp air.

Also, the only CP I think helps me at all in BWB is Block Expertise. Other than that, the others don't really make that much of a difference. It's not that big of a deal imo.

Master_Fluff

Not on the EU server, we always have the lowest number of players.

Suntzu1414

agreed.


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bosmern_ESO

If someone earned the CP they should be able to use it, if you think its 'unfair' then maybe you should go get CP to benefit yourself instead of crying for change on the forums because the game isnt tailored to you.

Ommy71

Champion points should not be bound on account, but only on PG.

Alcast

Poxheart wrote: »

Wonderful... the only campaign I have any enjoyment playing and DC has decided to paint it blue. Buncha losers.

Probably because they got wrecked on all other servers

Valen_Byte

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

If someone earned the CP they should be able to use it, if you think its 'unfair' then maybe you should go get CP to benefit yourself instead of crying for change on the forums because the game isnt tailored to you.

Perhaps you just don't understand the concept of a Non-Vet campaign.

Its for us casual players who don't have all day to sit around farming CP.

With my limited time to play, (Some of us work full time and have families to take care of) I don't want to spend it farming. I just want to hop in and play. That is exactly what Blackwater Blade is for.

I almost consider it an exploit for the hardcore elite players to come in and just wreck everything in there path. The only reason they are there is that they know that they have an unfair advantage.

Its just like one of Syphers latest videos where he is just totally owning like 20 players all by himself. He even said he felt bad and said that it wasn't fair at all.

Champion system needs to be looked at. Just like the PVP buffs needed to be looked at.

I don't mind dying in a fair fight. I mind getting killed in three seconds by someone that I cant do any damage to.

I do have champion points. I'm up to 92 as of last night. Honestly, even with that low of points, I feel too strong sometimes. I can tell when I am fighting someone who has less than me. They go down fairly fast.

Huckdabuck

Valen_Byte wrote: »

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

If someone earned the CP they should be able to use it, if you think its 'unfair' then maybe you should go get CP to benefit yourself instead of crying for change on the forums because the game isnt tailored to you.

Perhaps you just don't understand the concept of a Non-Vet campaign.

Its for us casual players who don't have all day to sit around farming CP.

With my limited time to play, (Some of us work full time and have families to take care of) I don't want to spend it farming. I just want to hop in and play. That is exactly what Blackwater Blade is for.

I almost consider it an exploit for the hardcore elite players to come in and just wreck everything in there path. The only reason they are there is that they know that they have an unfair advantage.

Its just like one of Syphers latest videos where he is just totally owning like 20 players all by himself. He even said he felt bad and said that it wasn't fair at all.

Champion system needs to be looked at. Just like the PVP buffs needed to be looked at.

I don't mind dying in a fair fight. I mind getting killed in three seconds by someone that I cant do any damage to.

I do have champion points. I'm up to 92 as of last night. Honestly, even with that low of points, I feel too strong sometimes. I can tell when I am fighting someone who has less than me. They go down fairly fast.

Or perhaps you are mistaken by thinking that a non-Vet campaign is made for casuals instead of what the name implies......NON-VET players (ie ANY and ALL characters that have not yet attained a vet ranking of 1 which is also inclusive of people who have lowbie alts).

Valen_Byte

Huckdabuck wrote: »

Valen_Byte wrote: »

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

If someone earned the CP they should be able to use it, if you think its 'unfair' then maybe you should go get CP to benefit yourself instead of crying for change on the forums because the game isnt tailored to you.

Perhaps you just don't understand the concept of a Non-Vet campaign.

Its for us casual players who don't have all day to sit around farming CP.

With my limited time to play, (Some of us work full time and have families to take care of) I don't want to spend it farming. I just want to hop in and play. That is exactly what Blackwater Blade is for.

I almost consider it an exploit for the hardcore elite players to come in and just wreck everything in there path. The only reason they are there is that they know that they have an unfair advantage.

Its just like one of Syphers latest videos where he is just totally owning like 20 players all by himself. He even said he felt bad and said that it wasn't fair at all.

Champion system needs to be looked at. Just like the PVP buffs needed to be looked at.

I don't mind dying in a fair fight. I mind getting killed in three seconds by someone that I cant do any damage to.

I do have champion points. I'm up to 92 as of last night. Honestly, even with that low of points, I feel too strong sometimes. I can tell when I am fighting someone who has less than me. They go down fairly fast.

Or perhaps you are mistaken by thinking that a non-Vet campaign is made for casuals instead of what the name implies......NON-VET players (ie ANY and ALL characters that have not yet attained a vet ranking of 1 which is also inclusive of people who have lowbie alts).

Did you have any thoughts on weather or not they should remove CP from Blackwater? Or did you just come here to flame me and argue over semantics?

DatRascal

Just to make some corrections to some misinformation and flawed thinking... the current Emperor Togetherness (name says it all) only has 183 CP's. Guess champion points is just another thing to complain about. PvP is meant to be competitive if you can’t compete I guess you complain.

bowmanz607

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Its just like one of Syphers latest videos where he is just totally owning like 20 players all by himself. He even said he felt bad and said that it wasn't fair at all.
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that video was on xbox one where he was a v14 facing a bunch of lowbies in pvp. he was laughing and saying it was unfair that they allowed players to transfer their v14 to console. it was not in reference to champion points.

also, people seem to forget about the group of players that have been part of the game since early access, that play casually and dont grind out xp. (aka me)

Im sorry but i have 1 nb toon that i have played since launch. i just recently decided to roll a templar. I use non-vet to lvl my toon cause i dont like grinding or pve nearly as much. I think champ points should stay b/c i have earned them and there should be a benefit for players who have put in the time and energy for gaining those points. there should be some layer of distinction between players who have earned it. i should be able to use the fruits of my labor on characters that i am trying to level. imo

technohic

Well then, I think they should make an optional one without it and let people choose. The ironic thing is; if you enjoy BW, you are also not earning CPs while you do so.

I actually condone both non-vet and vet campaigns to have 1 server option a piece; champion point free. Seems with the different rule sets already coming, what would it hurt to have a more casual friendly version? ( I know. Casual is a bad word and should only be used to insult someone. Oh well)

Lava_Croft

Yeah, the Non-Veteran campaign is obviously the first place where you will notice the Champion Point gap. It will take somewhat longer for this gap to really show its ugly face in the Veteran campaigns.

Oh joy.

atomikrej

Who are these players who are winning with champion points? I run with some of the best DC on the server. They are very good but it's mostly if not all due to good builds and understanding of the game.
Also it's funny the people who whinging about the DC dominance are conveniently ignoring the EP guild that has visited bwb regularly in the last few days to often switch the map red.

Huckdabuck

Valen_Byte wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

Valen_Byte wrote: »

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

If someone earned the CP they should be able to use it, if you think its 'unfair' then maybe you should go get CP to benefit yourself instead of crying for change on the forums because the game isnt tailored to you.

Perhaps you just don't understand the concept of a Non-Vet campaign.

Its for us casual players who don't have all day to sit around farming CP.

No, it's for all Non-Veteran players to jump in and pvp without having to worry about a V-14 blowing them up in 1 second. Which is what happened prior to the creation of the non-vet campaign.

With my limited time to play, (Some of us work full time and have families to take care of) I don't want to spend it farming. I just want to hop in and play. That is exactly what Blackwater Blade is for.

That's exactly what most other folks are wanting to do and are doing themselves.

I almost consider it an exploit for the hardcore elite players to come in and just wreck everything in there path. The only reason they are there is that they know that they have an unfair advantage.

Honestly they would probably wreck everything in their path on the V-14's as well. Welcome to pvp. Must nerf 1.5 years of experience (that's the only advantage they truly have) in pvp because it's just totally OP.

Its just like one of Syphers latest videos where he is just totally owning like 20 players all by himself. He even said he felt bad and said that it wasn't fair at all.

He was fighting non-veteran players on his V-14 who were in a console veteran campaign. He wasn't on a lowbie wrecking lowbies although he does have a lowbie sorc video out there pre-1.6 where he was.

Champion system needs to be looked at. Just like the PVP buffs needed to be looked at.

Can't disagree with this.

I don't mind dying in a fair fight. I mind getting killed in three seconds by someone that I cant do any damage to.

Take the good with the bad and move along.

I do have champion points. I'm up to 92 as of last night. Honestly, even with that low of points, I feel too strong sometimes. I can tell when I am fighting someone who has less than me. They go down fairly fast.

Placebo effect I'm guessing since there's no way for you to tell if they are lower in CP or player skill. I'm at almost 300 CPs and honestly I still have a tough time killing some builds out there in lowbie due to the lack of abilities.

Or perhaps you are mistaken by thinking that a non-Vet campaign is made for casuals instead of what the name implies......NON-VET players (ie ANY and ALL characters that have not yet attained a vet ranking of 1 which is also inclusive of people who have lowbie alts).

Did you have any thoughts on weather or not they should remove CP from Blackwater? Or did you just come here to flame me and argue over semantics?

I'll let you guess on my stance on whether or not CPs should be removed. You've got a 50% chance of being correct. Also I went ahead and shared some more golden nuggets bolded above since you feel I'm trying to argue semantics which I'm not.

Molsondry

Cp should be disable from all PVP form

Anyone saying Cp doesnt make a difference is wrong.

100 cp give me overall 10% dmg buff 9 % reduced spell cost 2 %magika regen , 10% overall dmg resist , 12% crit , and more.

Somone with 600cp agaisnt a 0 cp guy same level both naked, the 600 cp guy is overall 20% stronger.

Edit right now in PVP campaing . a Decent player with top yellow gear a good build nirnhorned trait and 600 champions points with former emp buff can kill 12 decent player same lvl with decent gear. How is this not broken?

Valen_Byte

DatRascal wrote: »

Just to make some corrections to some misinformation and flawed thinking... the current Emperor Togetherness (name says it all) only has 183 CP's. Guess champion points is just another thing to complain about. PvP is meant to be competitive if you can’t compete I guess you complain.

You really shouldnt assume that I cant compete on BWB.

I never said anything about the Emp. If I have encountered one, I didnt notice.

My characters name that I play on BW is Tybinstead. I would be happy to show you that I can in fact 'compete' if you like.

Vyle_Byte

Its not about complaining, its about taking a look at a flawed system. I think its funny that people automatically think you must suck and that you are complaining if you say hey, something isn't right here.

I think at the very least it would be cool to see them implement a no CP server for both Non Vet and Vet. Don't see the harm in it as you wouldn't HAVE to play there if you don't want to.

PeggymoeXD

If you can't beat em, whine about em. I play ESO on a consistent basis and have 180 CP's. While in BWB I have a level 45, which means I am not earning any while playing. Yeah, it's technically an advantage. But dude, I've been playing this game since beta. Players like me are going to have more experience, have earned more rewards, and just flat out be better than someone who just recently picked the game up. That's all part of an MMO.

Valen_Byte

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

If you can't beat em, whine about em. I play ESO on a consistent basis and have 180 CP's. While in BWB I have a level 45, which means I am not earning any while playing. Yeah, it's technically an advantage. But dude, I've been playing this game since beta. Players like me are going to have more experience, have earned more rewards, and just flat out be better than someone who just recently picked the game up. That's all part of an MMO.

Wow, what makes you think I havent been playing just as long as you. Take a look at my profile...

You havent added anything to this conversation.

Do you have a thought on this topic or not?

Dru1076

People keep pointing out this is progression based. But new players haven't had a chance to progress yet. Why not give it to them? Remember, all the players who have been since launch got a fair go. Don't new players deserve that too?