When will we be able to buy race change?

Baphomet

There's been rumours about this in circulation for some time now, but I was wondering whether we could get an official word, or if anyone has heard anything official, on when we can expect to see this feature in game?

@Gina_Bruno

Zorrashi

I originally hoped never. But now I hope there is at least a severe change limit (like being limited to only 2 changes per year).

But from what I hear, while they have 'plans' on adding race changes, we still have no official time estimate as to when.

RedTalon

Soon(TM) But yea its the most requested thing for the crown store so will happen one day just a matter of them working out price and a mirror system for when you change race. But they have basically said its being looked into if rumors and a lot of talk are to be bedeviled

Just my 2 crowns

Pheefs

My guess would be never, once a Nord always a Nord!

& unless you already had the Imperial upgrade you'd only be able to change to the other 2 in your alliance anyway...
Seems like a lot of work for not much benefit.

RazzPitazz

RedTalon wrote: »

Just my 2 crowns

Using this now lol

RedTalon

rajaniemiorama_ESO wrote: »

RedTalon wrote: »

Just my 2 crowns

Using this now lol

Used a different one for topics like this before the crown store, but if your giving your view and based on things you heard its always good to add something like given the strict forum rules.

Just my two crowns on that.

Leggi

Post #25 or #125, dunno

NEVER!

ChingChangChui

How about adding the ability to change your characters feature such as height, etc once your past character creation?

idk

Baphomet wrote: »

There's been rumours about this in circulation for some time now, but I was wondering whether we could get an official word, or if anyone has heard anything official, on when we can expect to see this feature in game?

@Gina_Bruno

When they decide to add it to the crown store. Zos has had a rich history of deciding for themselves when they will give us information. Asking in the forums doesn't bring about a faster answer.

AngryNord

Leggi wrote: »

Post #25 or #125, dunno

NEVER!

10 000 crowns, can only be done ONCE, only to one of the two other races in same alliance, and all achievements etc get wiped and character starts in Coldharbour at level 1

Endurance

RedTalon wrote: »

rajaniemiorama_ESO wrote: »

RedTalon wrote: »

Just my 2 crowns

Using this now lol

Used a different one for topics like this before the crown store, but if your giving your view and based on things you heard its always good to add something like given the strict forum rules.

Just my two crowns on that.

oh yes! we could bet two crowns on who beats who in PVP using the animation skip exploit and get banned for real world trading in the process

coryevans_3b14_ESO

Just as soon as folks stop creating threads instead of adding to existing ones with the same topic.

Seriously though I estimate that it will come to PC February 2016. Console March 2016.


Oh, and here's a fish

OmniDevil

Drop Race Change. Bring in Appearance Change.

TheShadowScout

Personally I don't much care for race changers. See little need for it, unless they add new races, and am no great fan of people changing their race to follow the FotM style in any case... the only thing worse IMO would be allowing people to pick their desired racial stats independent from their racial appereance...

Though as I always say, let them pay a big chunk for it, take the money to finance faster content development for the rest of us... win-win.

Rev Rielle

Gina replied to this thread Here on June 9 which is related. It's the best/most-recent we've gotten thus far I believe.

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Skiserony

AngryNord wrote: »

Leggi wrote: »

Post #25 or #125, dunno

NEVER!

10 000 crowns, can only be done ONCE, only to one of the two other races in same alliance, and all achievements etc get wiped and character starts in Coldharbour at level 1

lol

The reason to implement the race change has 2 reasons:
1) bunch of players ask for it (which is quite fair because of 1.6)
2) crownstore item that will be bought by many people which makes it's a good earning for ZoS

That also probably means the race change will cost so much that people are willing to pay for it, but not too much so people won't pay for it, my guess it will be between 10$ and 20$. Another aspect for people wanting to give that amount of money, is that the change actually improves his/her character, which means it will not reset anything, take away xp or skill lines xp but rather all that is going to change are your passives of your character. This is more interesting for ZoS (and thus us) since it will earn a lot more money.

I don't know if this race change also means the change of appearance, because if it does it means we gotta recreate our character. I would love to keep my appearance as it is now but get other racial passives.

elitekaosb16_ESO

Never. You chose the race, if your not happy, re-roll or delete and start again. It's simple.

The only reason I can see for this is someone rolled a toon that wasn't taking advantage of the racial traits and now is QQ'ing because he's/she's missing out on a fraction of damage in PvP.

Luffy

I don't understand all these people against the race change? How does it affect you if someone wants to change their race? Racial traits are more than a fraction of the damage and they are incredibly strong in this game, therefore there is a strong need for race changing.

Skiserony

elitekaosb16_ESO wrote: »

Never. You chose the race, if your not happy, re-roll or delete and start again. It's simple.

The only reason I can see for this is someone rolled a toon that wasn't taking advantage of the racial traits and now is QQ'ing because he's/she's missing out on a fraction of damage in PvP.

This discussion has been made a thousand times on this forum so I don't think one more should hurt.

Yes, there is going to be a race change first of all.

The reason that there is going to be one is because many players chose a race when the game launched when they said races are not going to make a huge difference at endgame. That is why I chose Redguard for my mage DK, because I love the Redguards. Then they changed the game extremely and removed softcaps in 1.6 which made races do make a big difference in the game, while it was said it wasn't going to be. No one blames ZoS for this, but it's only natural a race change should be offered even if it's a one time option, to choose a correct race. And tbh, race doesn't make that big difference in PvP as it is in PvE, the difference are huge there.

Rerolling a new character is not an option for many, since no one has as much time to play as others, which would take a serious long time to level up to vr14. I have for example on my toon all the skyshard and skillpoints availabe, almost every single skill-line maxed out, 11k+ achievement points, a lot of titles, high PvP rank, done all content they offered. You really think I'm going to throw that away just to get a new race?

I agree if the game never changed, there shouldn't be a race change either, but the game has changed significant which is why they should offer race change, and ZoS listens to his community so they will be offering this feature as appropriate.

Grabmoore

Skiserony wrote: »

The reason that there is going to be one is because many players chose a race when the game launched when they said races are not going to make a huge difference at endgame. That is why I chose Redguard for my mage DK, because I love the Redguards. Then they changed the game extremely and removed softcaps in 1.6 which made races do make a big difference in the game, while it was said it wasn't going to be. No one blames ZoS for this, but it's only natural a race change should be offered even if it's a one time option, to choose a correct race. And tbh, race doesn't make that big difference in PvP as it is in PvE, the difference are huge there.

So what? Races do matter to a certain degree. Are you gimped so you can't play anymore? Do you get kicked, just because you are a Redguard, Orc etc? No.
PvE isn't a huge competition either. You can achieve each speed run award with a non-BiS-class and race.

So why exactly should one be able to change? I can tell you why you shouldn't be able to do so.

Skiserony wrote: »

Rerolling a new character is not an option for many, since no one has as much time to play as others, which would take a serious long time to level up to vr14. I have for example on my toon all the skyshard and skillpoints availabe, almost every single skill-line maxed out, 11k+ achievement points, a lot of titles, high PvP rank, done all content they offered. You really think I'm going to throw that away just to get a new race?

Yes, I do think so. Yes, you should be forced to level a new character. If you could change the race, why would you bother to ever level a new toon?

The keyword is replayability. If you could change race, you wouldn't need a new toon ever again. You could just change your stats, switch your morphs and reassgin champion points and your Full Heal Argonian Templer gets turned into a Stamina DW Nightblade.

That would kill all motivation to play the game. The race change is the last thing you can't do ( if you have the adventures pack).

Skiserony wrote: »

I agree if the game never changed, there shouldn't be a race change either, but the game has changed significant which is why they should offer race change, and ZoS listens to his community so they will be offering this feature as appropriate.

All games change, they have to. Otherwise people would get bored and wouldn't have anything to strife for.
If ZoS cares for us, they will never ever implement that feature

Thumbdunked

My bet is they will add race change at the same time they update the racials or soon after, just makes sense to me.

Luffy

First of all Skiserony had several arguments for why a race change is needed. Below you tell us your SINGLE argument for why there shouldn't be a RACE change, but unfortunaly it is invalid.

Grabmoore wrote: »

So why exactly should one be able to change? I can tell you why you shouldn't be able to do so.

Yes, I do think so. Yes, you should be forced to level a new character. If you could change the race, why would you bother to ever level a new toon?

The keyword is replayability. If you could change race, you wouldn't need a new toon ever again. You could just change your stats, switch your morphs and reassgin champion points and your Full Heal Argonian Templer gets turned into a Stamina DW Nightblade.

That would kill all motivation to play the game. The race change is the last thing you can't do ( if you have the adventures pack).

This is your single argument for the several arguments Skiserony provided and here you confuse a race change with a class change?
Race changes would obviously only be your race, hence the name "race change", and they would probably cost crowns which would make it very unlikely that a person changes his race very often.

idk

coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »

Just as soon as folks stop creating threads instead of adding to existing ones with the same topic.

Very true. Actually, race change does not seem to be something they will add anytime soon. The ability to change passives to another race's passives, without changing the characters actual race, is what the devs said they intend to add, eventually.

Iluvrien

Skiserony wrote: »

The reason that there is going to be one is because many players chose a race when the game launched when they said races are not going to make a huge difference at endgame. That is why I chose Redguard for my mage DK, because I love the Redguards. Then they changed the game extremely and removed softcaps in 1.6 which made races do make a big difference in the game, while it was said it wasn't going to be. No one blames ZoS for this, but it's only natural a race change should be offered even if it's a one time option, to choose a correct race. And tbh, race doesn't make that big difference in PvP as it is in PvE, the difference are huge there.

Emphasis mine.

The "one time option" of a race change will never actually be a one time option. Every time they modify passives "the community" (competitive players) will be calling for one of these "one time" changes. So either they don't do it at all (my preferred option) or they just make it permanently available and put a time-limitation on it (to prevent FOTM) and have it cost crowns.

Guess which one I suspect they will go with?

Aquanova

I'm totally for race change as long as there are racial passives that increase primary stats. I personally wouldn't mind if they removed these kind of passives completely. I'm sure the passives play a large role in choosing which race you'll be, and if you didn't purchase the imperial edition or the crown store "play any race, any faction add on, then it probably contributed to some extent, faction imbalance.

Rev Rielle

Iluvrien wrote: »

Skiserony wrote: »

The reason that there is going to be one is because many players chose a race when the game launched when they said races are not going to make a huge difference at endgame. That is why I chose Redguard for my mage DK, because I love the Redguards. Then they changed the game extremely and removed softcaps in 1.6 which made races do make a big difference in the game, while it was said it wasn't going to be. No one blames ZoS for this, but it's only natural a race change should be offered even if it's a one time option, to choose a correct race. And tbh, race doesn't make that big difference in PvP as it is in PvE, the difference are huge there.

Emphasis mine.

The "one time option" of a race change will never actually be a one time option. Every time they modify passives "the community" (competitive players) will be calling for one of these "one time" changes. So either they don't do it at all (my preferred option) or they just make it permanently available and put a time-limitation on it (to prevent FOTM) and have it cost crowns.

Guess which one I suspect they will go with?

People talk about FOTM which is all very nice in theory, but I don't believe there is actually any precedent of it happening in an actual game. Nor will it happen here in ESOTU.

In my decade plus experience, players tend to get the race - and look - they like, then stick to it. The vast, vast majority of players play this way. It's probably only an extremely small minority that would even partake in any changes purely based on some 'min-maxing'. And even then, if they want to do that, that's perfectly fine.

Even if players want to change their race every-week, let them, it makes no difference to my personal enjoyment. Nor should it to anyone else's. In-fact, it will likely only add to it, as they're putting more money into the game. And the better the game does financially, the better the game experience for us all through updates, patches, etc etc.

OtarTheMad

forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/167748/race-respec-confirmation

Iluvrien

Rev Rielle wrote: »

People talk about FOTM which is all very nice in theory, but I don't believe there is actually any precedent of it happening in an actual game. Nor will it happen here in ESOTU.

Despite the people in this thread and others talking about the large part that race plays in damage? Or the need to create a "valid" build? These statements keep popping up in threads like these. Do you find it difficult to believe that these people will not only say they want to change race for these reasons but actually change race for these reasons?

Rev Rielle wrote: »

In my decade plus experience, players tend to get the race - and look - they like, then stick to it. The vast, vast majority of players play this way. It's probably only an extremely small minority that would even partake in any changes purely based on some 'min-maxing'. And even then, if they want to do that, that's perfectly fine.

In my "decade plus" experience I would also say that most of the players I have talked to about their character tend to choose it because of appearance or even lore reasons... but that is a biased sample due to the kinds of people I associate with. Could your view be coloured in the same way?

Rev Rielle wrote: »

Even if players want to change their race every-week, let them, it makes no difference to my personal enjoyment. Nor should it to anyone else's. In-fact, it will likely only add to it, as they're putting more money into the game. And the better the game does financially, the better the game experience for us all through updates, patches, etc etc.

You are drawing an unsupported conclusion here. There is no suggestion that the extra cash made, if they implement race change, will support new content. For the same reason as there is no factual basis for me to say that rewarding ZOS for introducing cash-grabs like this one (instead of actually balancing racials) will lead to them continuing to cheapen the game experience by prioritising crown store items over actual content, there is also no factual basis to conclude that the money they make through the crown store will result in a "better game experience for us all through updates, patches, etc etc." as ZOS have no specified this and there is no legally binding measure in place to require it of them (nor would I expect there to be).

dodgehopper_ESO

I'd rather just get more character slots.

OutlandishMachine

For all of you who are being complete spastics and saying that it's an issue that people want to change their races, let me start off by saying that it's really not. Look, I personally rolled an Imperial, but now I feel like an Altmer would be a better fit for my personality and playstyle. Some of you will undoubtedly say, "Just make a new character, and delete the one you don't want." I find this argument to be both unreasonable and unjustifiable. I personally (and every reasonable person I know) bond with my characters as I level, and once they are V14 I can't just delete them after everything I've done, as that would render all the time I spent on that character irrelevant. Therefore, I feel that a race change service would be just fine.

A race change service won't make this pay to win, and I find it counter-intuitive that you think a race change to a different race will make everybody too overpowered and unbalance the workings of the game. Just because someone hasn't made a choice they are now happy with, it doesn't mean you should force them to redo a huge amount of time and dedication as opposed to simply continuing with life, albeit $20 poorer.

Also, I see people complaining about this being "lore breaking." You obviously haven't been paying very good attention. Look around, morons, there are humans fighting for the Dominion. ZOS broke alliance lore as soon as they allowed any humans to join the Aldmeri Dominion (It is actually lore viable that Altmer/Bosmer/Khajiit join the Pact or the Covenant. There are plenty of dissidents to the Dominion who simply leave, but I don't think that should have been included either, as you can't simply do one without the others.). I don't particularly like the fact that any race can join any alliance, but I feel like players should know well enough to not play a human in the Dominion. Its... not right, considering that the Dominion's aim is sorta to kill humans off and recreate the Dawn Era (please correct me if I'm wrong).

The only reason people want a race change service is so that they don't have to reroll a character all the way from level 1 to V14, and just because you people feel like the entire world revolves around you and your overinflated egos, it doesn't mean that they should have to.