Reduce the Vampire and Werewolf bite CD to 4days?

dsalter

dsalter

Yes

reason being i feel like numbers are diminishing a small bit would also help the spread via consoles

PartTimePinsent

Yes

Yeah I would be fine with this!

jkemmery

Yes

I do think 7 days is a bit excessive. I would actually vote for 3 days personally.

vaanomega

Yes

I want to bite all french players !

Preyfar

No

I don't understand why people feel this should be handed out like candy. There's some allure to something being at least *somewhat* hard to get. At launch, it took me weeks to be able to finally get a werewolf bite, and it made me happy as hell. But the entitlement to have to get it seems really... odd to me.

Console just launched, and there's not a huge supernatural group. But each and every week that number will grow and expand and do so at a rapid rate. Werewolves breed like bunnies. Give it time.

BobOfTibia

No

No. In a few months it will already be extremely easy to obtain, like it is on PC. Everyone and they're mom already has a Vampire/Werewolf or two on their account.


Impatience is not a good reason to make something easily obtained with time, even more wide spread. 7 Days is fine and as proved to be fine already.

coryevans_3b14_ESO

No

No. I really don't want anything else in the game to get any easier to complete or acquire. It's already a much easier game than it was after PC launch. The games been out a week on console. A week.

I waited 2 months and was fine with it after PC launch.

Be patient. You wll get it eventually.

dsalter

Yes

BobOfTibia wrote: »

No. In a few months it will already be extremely easy to obtain, like it is on PC. Everyone and they're mom already has a Vampire/Werewolf or two on their account.


Impatience is not a good reason to make something easily obtained with time, even more wide spread. 7 Days is fine and as proved to be fine already.

actually it would take months, main 2 reasons i can see this being handy currently is A: stopping greed dominating it since it's accessability will increase so prices drop making it less hassle for newbie consolers and B: due to changes in the past many people dropped both due to being more hinderance then useful, but the numbers are slowly climbing, unfortunatly many went over to consoles and dropped the numbers for PC somewhat

Preyfar

No

dsalter wrote: »

actually it would take months, main 2 reasons i can see this being handy currently is A: stopping greed dominating it since it's accessability will increase so prices drop making it less hassle for newbie consolers and B: due to changes in the past many people dropped both due to being more hinderance then useful, but the numbers are slowly climbing, unfortunatly many went over to consoles and dropped the numbers for PC somewhat

Months?

In a single month, a werewolf/vampire can infect 4 people. And those 4 people can, in turn, in infect 4 more people. So in a short time one vamp/were can lead to about 20+ other vamp/were. And then each of those infected can start spreading it. In the short term you'll have a handful, but as each person bites, the number of vamps/weres will jump exponentially. In a manner of weeks, a single vamp can lead to hundreds (yes, hundreds) of other players getting turned.

It doesn't take months. Just a handful of weeks. There's a lot of weres/vamps out there infecting others, and the numbers will skyrocket as people propagate their bites.

jkemmery

Yes

Preyfar wrote: »

Months?

In a single month, a werewolf/vampire can infect 4 people. And those 4 people can, in turn, in infect 4 more people. So in a short time one vamp/were can lead to about 20+ other vamp/were. And then each of those infected can start spreading it. In the short term you'll have a handful, but as each person bites, the number of vamps/weres will jump exponentially. In a manner of weeks, a single vamp can lead to hundreds (yes, hundreds) of other players getting turned.

It doesn't take months. Just a handful of weeks. There's a lot of weres/vamps out there infecting others, and the numbers will skyrocket as people propagate their bites.

If you actually think about the statement in bold, and how long one single Vamp/WW's "offspring" can multiply to 20, then yeah, it's "Months" because it takes a bit of time to level the skill up to the point that you can infect another player, and only the first 2 bitten in a single month will even be able to infect another player within that first month.

BobOfTibia

No

dsalter wrote: »

BobOfTibia wrote: »

actually it would take months, main 2 reasons i can see this being handy currently is A: stopping greed dominating it since it's accessability will increase so prices drop making it less hassle for newbie consolers and B: due to changes in the past many people dropped both due to being more hinderance then useful, but the numbers are slowly climbing, unfortunatly many went over to consoles and dropped the numbers for PC somewhat

I do believe I said it would take months. And that's fine. Months is very fine. You don't get everything you want as soon as you ask, you work for it.

New players don't need to automatically jump into a potential hair pulling experience anyway.

Any, so? There is still, many, mannnny, vampires and werewolfs. Just because a small percent left over to consoles, won't really effect PC anyways. People still sell WW/VP bites for 1-2k same as the last half of the year.

If anything, now consoles have a few VPs and WW on console to help lessen the wait.

Changing something so dramatically that it nearly doubles the rate of infection, for little point other than impatience, is silly.

Still no.

Preyfar

No

jkemmery wrote: »

If you actually think about the statement in bold, and how long one single Vamp/WW's "offspring" can multiply to 20, then yeah, it's "Months" because it takes a bit of time to level the skill up to the point that you can infect another player, and only the first 2 bitten in a single month will even be able to infect another player.

You can level up werewolf to 10 in about an hour if you know what to do. The bite is immediately available once you reach the requisite WW level, and you can bite away and share said bite.

BobOfTibia

No

Preyfar wrote: »

jkemmery wrote: »

If you actually think about the statement in bold, and how long one single Vamp/WW's "offspring" can multiply to 20, then yeah, it's "Months" because it takes a bit of time to level the skill up to the point that you can infect another player, and only the first 2 bitten in a single month will even be able to infect another player.

You can level up werewolf to 10 in about an hour if you know what to do. The bite is immediately available once you reach he requisite WW level, and you can bite away and share said bite.

His next argument will be, not everyone knows how to level it up quickly.

To that I say, not everyone is inept at using google.

Even if many of those who frequent the forums seem so.

jkemmery

Yes

Preyfar wrote: »

You can level up werewolf to 10 in about an hour if you know what to do. The bite is immediately available once you reach he requisite WW level, and you can bite away and share said bite.

I highly doubt that. It took me a week to get my WW up to the point where I could bite another player and I used the ultimate at every possible opportunity. And you get ONE bite immediately, then you have to wait for a week. Within the first month of being bitten a single players "offspring" can't total more than 4.

If you don't have a life and are one of these players logging 16 hour days, you could probably do it within a day, at the least. For most normal folks who play 3 - 4 hours a day (which is a lot for most of us) you are looking at 5 days to a week before you can bite someone.

Psychobunni

No

No. Because if you ask in chat(s) now on pc...you can't even give them away half the time.

There is absolutely no reason for the devs to waste time and resources above fixes on an issue that will literally solve itself just to placate some impatient players.

RedTalon

No

No and if they do need to up the weaknesses and make the skill lines weaker or the fighter guide stuff even stronger.

Long time werewolf player who gives bites freely out

They are meant to be though to get, and if they really want a better option would say crown store is better at about 9,000 crowns

Preyfar

No

jkemmery wrote: »

I highly doubt that. It took me a week to get my WW up to the point where I could bite another player and I used the ultimate at every possible opportunity. And you get ONE bite immediately, then you have to wait for a week. Within the first month of being bitten a single players "offspring" can't total more than 4.

Werewolf only requires you to kill people while in werewolf form. Go to the starting aisles (where NPCs are low level) and you can knock it out by just killing, pouncing, eating everyone in sight and in no time you'll be Werewolf 10 and max level it out. It takes minimal effort to get werewolf to 10. So, you can get one bite immediately, then give it to somebody else, who can then go do the same.

dsalter

Yes

Psychobunni wrote: »

No. Because if you ask in chat(s) now on pc...you can't even give them away half the time.

There is absolutely no reason for the devs to waste time and resources above fixes on an issue that will literally solve itself just to placate some impatient players.

not impatiant, just bored.

Paulington

No

There's no need to.

Let's do a simple geometric progression.

Number of werewolves (or vampires) = (number of current ww/vamp) x 2^(number of weeks passed - 1).

If we assume 10 WW/Vamp, that means in a months time (assuming everyone bites perfectly) you will have 160 WW/Vamps. If we extend that to two months you have 2,560! Even if we assume only 20% of people bite perfectly you're talking 16 new WW/Vamp in the first month and I can tell you there are a lot more than ten WW/Vamps in the game.

Just have patience. If you can't find a bite go camp out in your faction's 5th zone and you will find them. Otherwise wait and within a month or two bites will be ubiquitous and plentiful.

jkemmery

Yes

RedTalon wrote: »

No and if they do need to up the weaknesses and make the skill lines weaker or the fighter guide stuff even stronger.

Long time werewolf player who gives bites freely out

They are meant to be though to get, and if they really want a better option would say crown store is better at about 9,000 crowns

I would guess 2500 crowns since that is the price of the most expensive stuff on there now.

Preyfar wrote: »

jkemmery wrote: »

I highly doubt that. It took me a week to get my WW up to the point where I could bite another player and I used the ultimate at every possible opportunity. And you get ONE bite immediately, then you have to wait for a week. Within the first month of being bitten a single players "offspring" can't total more than 4.

Werewolf only requires you to kill people while in werewolf form. Go to the starting aisles (where NPCs are low level) and you can knock it out by just killing, pouncing, eating and in no time... you'll be Werewolf 10 and max level it out. It takes minimal effort to get werewolf to 10. So, you can get one bite immediately, then give it to somebody else, who can then go do the same.

Even with this tactic you would never get to it that fast unless you are already a high level and have a ton of spare skill points. Most players just play the game and don't intentionally try to level that skill, along with having the 15 or so spare skill points needed to get to that point.

ZylnorWrath_ESO

Other (state reason)

I can understand the reasoning behind such a long cool down, but in my opinion it's too long. If they need to have such a long cool down at least make it 7 in game days and not actual days. At least days in ESP goes by fast!

Preyfar

No

jkemmery wrote: »

Even with this tactic you would never get to it that fast unless you are already a high level and have a ton of spare skill points. Most players just play the game and don't intentionally try to level that skill, along with having the 15 or so spare skill points needed to get to that point.

You need... what, maybe 2 skill points? I don't know where you get all 15 because you ONLY need one skill point to infect other players. The other skill pound can just go to feeding/pouncing. I run with one of the largest werewolf guilds in the game, I know what I'm talking about. =P

Vampire is a bit harder to level because you need XP to increase it, but it's still not something that takes weeks upon weeks to level once you get it. And, again, the bite is immediately available once you hit that point, so...

Paulington

No

jkemmery wrote: »

Even with this tactic you would never get to it that fast unless you are already a high level and have a ton of spare skill points. Most players just play the game and don't intentionally try to level that skill, along with having the 15 or so spare skill points needed to get to that point.

This is a perfectly legitimate tactic that works brilliantly.

I levelled Werewolf from Level 1 to Level 10 in under an hour without spending a single skill point on it.

UrQuan

No

Preyfar wrote: »

jkemmery wrote: »

I highly doubt that. It took me a week to get my WW up to the point where I could bite another player and I used the ultimate at every possible opportunity. And you get ONE bite immediately, then you have to wait for a week. Within the first month of being bitten a single players "offspring" can't total more than 4.

Werewolf only requires you to kill people while in werewolf form. Go to the starting aisles (where NPCs are low level) and you can knock it out by just killing, pouncing, eating everyone in sight and in no time you'll be Werewolf 10 and max level it out. It takes minimal effort to get werewolf to 10. So, you can get one bite immediately, then give it to somebody else, who can then go do the same.

You don't even have to do that. Because you stay in WW form indefinitely in Hircine's realm, just don't leave after you complete the quest, and wolf out. You can grind the mobs in there and get to WW 10 before you even leave.

jkemmery

Yes

Preyfar wrote: »

You need... what, maybe 2 skill points? I don't know where you get all 15 because you ONLY need one skill point to infect other players. The other skill pound can just go to feeding/pouncing. I run with one of the largest werewolf guilds in the game, I know what I'm talking about. =P

Vampire is a bit harder to level because you need XP to increase it, but it's still not something that takes weeks upon weeks to level once you get it. And, again, the bite is immediately available once you hit that point, so...

You can dedicate 15 skill points to WW, total. Sure, you only need one to infect other players, but if you are leveling the skill you won't skip the other benefits ... I was trying to be realistic. You will spend probably 7 or 8 on WW before you even get to that point, so, let's say 7.

UrQuan

No

Preyfar wrote: »

Vampire is a bit harder to level because you need XP to increase it, but it's still not something that takes weeks upon weeks to level once you get it. And, again, the bite is immediately available once you hit that point, so...

If you get it at low levels, it does take a very long time to level it up enough to give a bite. If you get it at the appropriate level (or higher) it doesn't take that long. This is because you earn far less XP at low levels, and it's designed to level at an appropriate pace for a character earning more XP. So I'm sure it's a rude awakening for all the impatient folk who have to get Vampire super early on, because they end up with all of the weaknesses of it, but it takes a long time for them to level it up enough to get any significant benefits.

BobOfTibia

No

Paulington wrote: »

jkemmery wrote: »

Even with this tactic you would never get to it that fast unless you are already a high level and have a ton of spare skill points. Most players just play the game and don't intentionally try to level that skill, along with having the 15 or so spare skill points needed to get to that point.

This is a perfectly legitimate tactic that works brilliantly.

I levelled Werewolf from Level 1 to Level 10 in under an hour without spending a single skill point on it.

This as well.

The only argument coming from anyone saying yes, is, impatience.

But...

I agree though. It should be lowered. And purple gear should be given right from the beginning of the game.

All costumes and dyes as well. And all mounts, and all quests should be beaten and my controller should do all the work for me.

Anyone in pvp who faces me should just let me kill them as well. It's too much work when they attack back.

ZoS, you need to make the game cater to all of these whims. My thumbs hurt from moving my character I just made an hour ago, and I don't have everything in the game yet.

KTHX.

/satire

DueceDropper22

Ebonheart Xbox one NA servers. Trading WW bite for Vamp bite. GT: DueceDropper22

UrQuan

No

jkemmery wrote: »

Preyfar wrote: »

You need... what, maybe 2 skill points? I don't know where you get all 15 because you ONLY need one skill point to infect other players. The other skill pound can just go to feeding/pouncing. I run with one of the largest werewolf guilds in the game, I know what I'm talking about. =P

Vampire is a bit harder to level because you need XP to increase it, but it's still not something that takes weeks upon weeks to level once you get it. And, again, the bite is immediately available once you hit that point, so...

You can dedicate 15 skill points to WW, total. Sure, you only need one to infect other players, but if you are leveling the skill you won't skip the other benefits ... I was trying to be realistic. You will spend probably 7 or 8 on WW before you even get to that point, so, let's say 7.

That's not realistic, because a very large number of the people who become werewolves do it just for the bonus to stamina regeneration. Those people are unlikely to put any points into it except for the one that allows them to bite other players. Also, because it takes less than an hour to level it to max level, even the people who plan to actually use it are likely to just level it up, put whatever skill points they have available into whichever skills they like best, and then put more skill points into it later as they become available.

jkemmery

Yes

Paulington wrote: »

jkemmery wrote: »

Even with this tactic you would never get to it that fast unless you are already a high level and have a ton of spare skill points. Most players just play the game and don't intentionally try to level that skill, along with having the 15 or so spare skill points needed to get to that point.

This is a perfectly legitimate tactic that works brilliantly.

I levelled Werewolf from Level 1 to Level 10 in under an hour without spending a single skill point on it.

If you didn't spend a single skill point on it then you can't infect other players. The only way you could have possibly done this is if you were already a high level veteran when you got bit. Even then, I call BS on this.