Console players aren't grasping dodging?

SplendidAngharad94

Yes, it's another of my topics
But still, I hope to handle it better this time
Just completed my second dungeon; Splindleclutch or whatever it's called aha, it went really well, I used the advice I got earlier to use spells then heavy attacks and alternate and I was generally steam-rolling everything
However during the last boss against the giant spider, I noticed NONE of my team-mates were dodging her telegraphed hard-hitting attacks
The ones where a big red ring slowly forms, while I was dodge rolling out of it they were still up in her face attacking her
The battle was won, but it ended with everyone but me wiping because they wouldn't dodge her hits, and I saw the wipe coming right at the end
So, I have a question
Is this an issue on PC? Or is it just the console player mentality, I don't think this is a case of learning the game in all honesty as from solo content it's pretty obvious; Red=Bad
/: I can already tell later dungeons are going to be a mess at this rate

traigusb14_ESO2

It was an issue on the PC at release... the first tutorial is much better now.

... but there are so many players a lot of them haven't learned to fight yet, because most of the time 2-3 people are attacking the same quest guys you are, even boss types.

The first few dungeons are kind of the deep end of the pool with respect to learning how to really play the game.

PVP is the same way. Nobody knows how to block, bash interupt or roll out of bad effects / CC yet.

Rosveen

You wouldn't believe how many people didn't understand basic game mechanics on PC. The game just launched, the best you can do is educate people whenever you group with them and something like this happens.

Zusia211

Well dodging just feels weird. I do it from time to time, more so with my mage, but for most part until get higher level stuff you really don't need to focus on it yet.

SplendidAngharad94

It just feels so odd in both Dungeons and PvP that while everyone else basically remains static, I'm there rolling around, breaking out of CC etc.
Have I grasped the games mechanics quicker than the average player or something?
The first dungeons might not be difficult but dodging is necessary against the bosses or you'll be over-whelmed quickly
I was literally screaming into the mic, "Dodge when you see the red circles, I am not carrying you if you wipe"
They wiped and I carried them, but still, I told them to dodge and still they were hitting it up close
Merh, hopefully as the week progresses we'll see an improvement
At least dungeon queueing is quicker now though for me

Dahkoht

Zenimax thought that it would be too confusing for console players to be allowed to remap their own controls , and you think they can grasp dodging ??????


(jk console folks , about to split time with the PS4 some myself , I just like to remind everyone that Zenimax thinks less options are better for console players to avoid "confusion", their words"

SplendidAngharad94

Merh, I like the dodging tbf, it's quite fun when an enemy is about to power drive you and your team-mates and you dodge, they die of course because why dodge? You didn't have to dodge in Skyrim
I can totally power through this OHK ATTACK
It's so obvious people came from Skyrim and think combat is like Skyrim, it's sad but true
Also, I've heard so many CoD bro's over voice-chat telling people they're going to f*** their mothers
I don't want this in my MMOs

skwake

I healed my first dungeon last night as a lvl 10 and got a lot of comments that I was doing a good job, but I must admit, I had never bothered to dodge roll once in the game before the boss in the dungeon so it took me a little while to get used to that and also blocking. It should come easy with more practise hopefully

coryevans_3b14_ESO

skwake wrote: »

I healed my first dungeon last night as a lvl 10 and got a lot of comments that I was doing a good job, but I must admit, I had never bothered to dodge roll once in the game before the boss in the dungeon so it took me a little while to get used to that and also blocking. It should come easy with more practise hopefully

It will come natural after a bit. I'll bet with the controller (if your more used to that) will make it intuitive. Hopefully.

SplendidAngharad94

This is what I think people are doing when I see them not dodging in a dungeon



Clueless /:

Nestor

I was watching a Video about defeating a boss and the guy making it said, "Stay out of Stupid" and move around. Basically, red on the ground, be somewhere else, see yellow sparkles, get your block up, if you have any stamina in reserve, if not, be somewhere else.

Note, there is a Donut effect that you see on some bosses. Being in the Center, your OK, outside the Ring, your OK, on the Donut Ring, your dead.

Danikat

My highest level character is only level 14 and honestly even though I know I can dodge, I know when to dodge and I have 3 dodge buttons (2 on keyboard and bound to a mouse button) I sometimes forget about it because at low levels you very rarely need to do it.

So it's not surprising new players haven't gotten into the habit of doing it, and maybe don't bother at all. But they'll learn eventually.

Rosveen

Nestor wrote: »

I was watching a Video about defeating a boss and the guy making it said, "Stay out of Stupid" and move around. Basically, red on the ground, be somewhere else, see yellow sparkles, get your block up, if you have any stamina in reserve, if not, be somewhere else.

Note, there is a Donut effect that you see on some bosses. Being in the Center, your OK, outside the Ring, your OK, on the Donut Ring, your dead.

As a tank, donuts are fine. But I raged when Praxin's moving circle of doom ran me into a wall once.

UrQuan

SplendidAngharad94 wrote: »

It just feels so odd in both Dungeons and PvP that while everyone else basically remains static, I'm there rolling around, breaking out of CC etc.
Have I grasped the games mechanics quicker than the average player or something?

In a word: yes.

On PC for the first little while after launch practically no-one was properly dodging, blocking, and interrupting. When almost everyone is a noob you kind of have to expect that. Even today in the first zones on PC you still get quite a few newer players who don't understand about dodging, blocking, and interrupting, but overall it's so much better now than it was at PC launch. The same will happen with console: as more and more people start learning those mechanics, more and more of the brand new players will notice them doing it and they'll start learning more quickly.

It's not even just dodging, blocking, and interrupting either: it takes people a while to start to learn to move around in general. If you're standing still for almost all of a fight in a dungeon, even if you're dodging and blocking and interrupting at the right times, you're probably not being nearly as effective as you could be.

SplendidAngharad94 wrote: »

The first dungeons might not be difficult but dodging is necessary against the bosses or you'll be over-whelmed quickly

Very true. I've had far more wipes in the first dungeons (especially Banished Cells) than in any of the later ones, just because it's been much more likely that I've been playing with people who just stand there spamming skills.

But it'll get better as you get to the next tier of dungeons, and given time even PUGs in the first tier of dungeons will get better.

Nestor

Danikat wrote: »

My highest level character is only level 14 and honestly even though I know I can dodge, I know when to dodge and I have 3 dodge buttons (2 on keyboard and bound to a mouse button) I sometimes forget about it because at low levels you very rarely need to do it.

So it's not surprising new players haven't gotten into the habit of doing it, and maybe don't bother at all. But they'll learn eventually.

It's sometimes better to hone your combat skills by being naked and using a L1 Dagger. I develop bad habits all the time until I get to a group dungeon or Craglorn and the first group of mobs send me crying to momma. Then I resurrect, and tell my self, i need to get serious here. Then I do remember all the stuff I am supposed to do besides my skill rotation.

I have done some boss fights where I have gotten down to 3 or 4% of health and stayed alive because I was jinking and dodging and kiting and moving around like a fly on speed. Those are the most run really.

UrQuan

Rosveen wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

I was watching a Video about defeating a boss and the guy making it said, "Stay out of Stupid" and move around. Basically, red on the ground, be somewhere else, see yellow sparkles, get your block up, if you have any stamina in reserve, if not, be somewhere else.

Note, there is a Donut effect that you see on some bosses. Being in the Center, your OK, outside the Ring, your OK, on the Donut Ring, your dead.

As a tank, donuts are fine. But I raged when Praxin's moving circle of doom ran me into a wall once.

Ooooh, dang that sucks

lumpenprole

Man, that's crazy. I'm like, level 4 or 5 and already dodges and interrupts are a huge part of how I solo tough guys.

SplendidAngharad94

The only time I dodge is during dungeons and the Anchors in the world tbf
Dungeoning, dodging makes things much easier as enemy attacks miss and if you get put into a wall, you can roll off and get out scot-free
i just feel if people actually utilised the dodge they wouldn't be dying constantly, while I'm dealing heavy DPS, juggling healing and reviving at the same time
It's so frustrating, but luckily I'm having fun, and they're probably having major fun being carried by the one dodger in a group

Bouvin

I hope it stays the case. Dodge Roll in PvP FTW.

Bouvin

SplendidAngharad94 wrote: »

This is what I think people are doing when I see them not dodging in a dungeon



Clueless /:

That gif is priceless

Zhoyzu

its a console issue. every now and then you get someone going full potato standing in an aoe but rarely. Most of the time you can blame the mega server for not being able to keep up.

MozoneAlterare

Coming from a PC gamer, new to PS4 the dodge and block concept is strange to me. I'm slowly getting used to it. I'll admit, I haven't been gaming for about 6 years. I used to play EQ back when Kunark was new and for about 4 years after. Then other games like WoW and D&DO. For me the concept is strange because I'm used to dodge, block, parry, etc being skills that are passive. Sure you always had to move your casters out of range or what not, but a meat shield to me stays right in there to take the damage. I remember playing Age of Conan when it released, and I couldn't stand the dodging side to side to avoid attacks, and the mobs dodging you that way too. Or even moving to your side to avoid your defense.

Another difficulty im having is with the targeting, especially trying to use a 3rd person view from than uncomfortable side angle. It's taking time getting used to only targeting whatever is center screen, instead of locking on a target until it's dead or you change targets. What do you do when there is a group of mobs and you want the one in the middle? I don't know if this is only a concel thing, or if the PC version works this way too. Is there a way to play concel version using a KB?

So I understand some of the confusion.
I'm sure some people will be resistant to change.

Gabriel_Froste

I don't dodge I just put all of my stat points into health and use health enchantments on my gear... but I'm only level 3. So w/e.

SplendidAngharad94

You're only level 3, that's basically just out of the tutorial area man
You can't really comment until you've done a dungeon

Justice31st

My 70 year old sorcerer cannot just simply dodge everywhere. At his age, there isn't enough pediasure in the world to cure his chronic back problems.

eviltims

I know I don't dodge that much even though I know its there. More like I forget about it and use block instead. Did the first dungeon with group and we beated it but it was a cluster of pretty colors all over the screen. For sure it was the first dungeon so in theory it is easy. But with all the stuff going on, the only thing I think is I better block and that go back to mashing all my spells and skills. Guess that is the mindset for me atm for a action mmorpg.

asdf0716

eviltims wrote: »

I know I don't dodge that much even though I know its there. More like I forget about it and use block instead. Did the first dungeon with group and we beated it but it was a cluster of pretty colors all over the screen. For sure it was the first dungeon so in theory it is easy. But with all the stuff going on, the only thing I think is I better block and that go back to mashing all my spells and skills. Guess that is the mindset for me atm for a action mmorpg.

you might as well start training yourself to NOT do that right now, 'cuz that won't work with about 95% of the mechanics and all you are going to do is *** off your healer

SplendidAngharad94

Yeah, if you do what you said you did in the first dungeon and I was on your team I would have a few choice words for you
I primary as healer, also DPS as it makes more sense to cross-class it in this game
And when people are just running into attacks, not dodging etc. its so annoying, even more so when because you're the Healer they refuse to heal themselves and you're there like, "Mana isn't infinite"
I mean everyone will have at least one weak heal on them, so if you're all low on health pop that *** up rather than relying on your Healer
I was literlly soloing most of Fungal Grotto a moment ago, they were panicking and using light attacks on everything, I'm there throwing out constant reflective lights and heavy attacks, then 'we' kill the boss to "great job guys we owned that"
Excuse me, but no. I owned that
LEARN TO DODGE PLUZ

coryevans_3b14_ESO

lumpenprole wrote: »

Man, that's crazy. I'm like, level 4 or 5 and already dodges and interrupts are a huge part of how I solo tough guys.

When you hit v14 you will be a great asset to Trial raids I predict. Or sooner, I know you can do them sooner. Soon(tm).

asdf0716

to put it another way: "a dead DPS deals 0 damage."

Repeat it like a mantra.

Justice31st

asdf0716 wrote: »

to put it another way: "a dead DPS deals 0 damage."

Repeat it like a mantra.

ooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmm, oooooooooooooooommm, oooooooooooom. *High pitch voice* "A dead DPS deals 0 damage." "A dead DPS deals 0 damage." "A dead DPS deals 0 damage." ooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmm, oooooooooooooooommm, oooooooooooom