Population inbalances in Azura

Zyle

Since the other thread was locked for no reason :P
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/173027/population-inbalances-in-azura#latest

Zheg

It was locked because ZOS logic. While I think a lot of the naming/shaming crap is ridiculous, I'll at least give the moderators credit for sticking to it and actually being visible, because it's more than we see from the rest of ZOS.

InvictoNZ

You may need to remove the campaign name from the title, incase you are naming all those people as a group.
Wouldn't want to shame all of them at once.

CN_Daniel

You know that noise the blue narried's (sp?) in DSA make? That's my teams battle cry. We all do it in ts as we charge.

"BANANA, ALALALALALA"

Observant

Last night was an absolute blast (other than the immense lag wave)

Hey AD how bout that Faregyl fight around 8:30pm EST
I think it was 11 versus ~60. Most fun I've had in the last month was in those five minutes.

EDIT: ^ I think I derped, this might have been on Haderus - I got into the whiskey last night

Telel

Anyone who has been watching Telel's twitch feed can see the numbers being thrown at each other in regards to the EP/AD fights are not as one sided as the population bars make it look.

Some may also understand why Khajiit is increasingly tempted to take a group down into Cracked Wood cave and other delves and begin clearing them out until the people sucking up server space stop being such selfish prats and either help defend keeps or go to a non locked server.

In the morning's things have gotten so bad that this one has had to resort to leading a PUG just to get 10 people to try and retake a home keep. Getting that many took nearly an hour and that was despite a supposed 2 bars of population.

Let Telel reiterate so you can fully understand how bad finding AD PVPers has been these last few days..... They had to lead a PUG

They would also realize that there has been a hardcore group of DC fighting the good fight day after day who aren't just now coming to the server in order to farm scrubs. Those blue meanies have earned much respect (and rumbled curses) from Telel.

But Telel gives credit where credit is due and will admit @Methuselah hair pullingly obnoxious emperor to take on. One of the more annoying(ly good?) ones that khajiit has had to deal with in a long, long time.

Hopefully some of the PVE leeches will move to more stagnant waters, and this sudden upspike in interest won't evaporate when the campaign resets.

God_flakes

Methuselah

NukeAllTheThings

Telel wrote: »

Anyone who has been watching Telel's twitch feed can see the numbers being thrown at each other in regards to the EP/AD fights are not as one sided as the population bars make it look.

Some may also understand why Khajiit is increasingly tempted to take a group down into Cracked Wood cave and other delves and begin clearing them out until the people sucking up server space stop being such selfish prats and either help defend keeps or go to a non locked server.

In the morning's things have gotten so bad that this one has had to resort to leading a PUG just to get 10 people to try and retake a home keep. Getting that many took nearly an hour and that was despite a supposed 2 bars of population.

Let Telel reiterate so you can fully understand how bad finding AD PVPers has been these last few days..... They had to lead a PUG

They would also realize that there has been a hardcore group of DC fighting the good fight day after day who aren't just now coming to the server in order to farm scrubs. Those blue meanies have earned much respect (and rumbled curses) from Telel.

But Telel gives credit where credit is due and will admit @Methuselah hair pullingly obnoxious emperor to take on. One of the more annoying(ly good?) ones that khajiit has had to deal with in a long, long time.

Hopefully some of the PVE leeches will move to more stagnant waters, and this sudden upspike in interest won't evaporate when the campaign resets.

I appreciate what you are saying, but you are usually ahead away from the massive AD groups painting the map. For instance today. You had a small group flagging Sej....behind that was a sea of yellow coming from Alessia up through the bridge to Sej. You might have trouble rounding up players but the other large guilds have no trouble rallying 50-60+ and that locked pop vs. 2 bar EP & 1 bar DC right now is every bit 1 sided as it seems

Telel

Funny story time while this one was at Sej with their 'zerg'* of 5 people there were no less than 2 people whining that their groups couldn't CP grind anymore due to other players coming in and killing them. Not to mention individuals complaining of the same 'injustice'. Sadly this one blocks out their chat box on twitch or you could see the justly deserved and oh so pleasant responses given to just such....people.

Note Khajiit said groups. Not individuals, not a single guy, nor one man in a silly hat but groups of CP grinders whining they couldn't just farm goblins all they wanted. That is a plural of plurals for those who may not have caught on yet.

Anywhos...

The whole running ahead of the offensive is a new angle This one is trying as they work to broaden their horizon as a group leader, and bring newer players up to speed. As they plan to go on hiatus for a while they're trying to pack as much education into each PVP run as they can.

As an aside they also got some very lovely tells from some very lovely pacters about how khajiit is not what Telel has never claimed to be. Apparently Telel should be able to fight three gankers while riding on their horse....whom end up using their ultimates on Khajiit anyways....in order to enter the hallowed realm of 'the good'.

Sadly Telel failed this august rite and was told they were not a thing that they have never once been. Apparently that is very important to some people.

That is why Telel is glad they are an incompetent meat sack not worthy of the greatness that comes with being 'skilled'. They would much rather be polite and a good sport to those they murder.

*Khajiit has actually been accused of leading zergs over the last few weeks. Usually by people who run off on their own and got run down. It's one reason they have a twitch stream now.

Weberda

Telel wrote: »

Funny story time while this one was at Sej with their 'zerg'* of 5 people there were no less than 2 people whining that their groups couldn't CP grind anymore due to other players coming in and killing them. Not to mention individuals complaining of the same 'injustice'. Sadly this one blocks out their chat box on twitch or you could see the justly deserved and oh so pleasant responses given to just such....people.

Note Khajiit said groups. Not individuals, not a single guy, nor one man in a silly hat but groups of CP grinders whining they couldn't just farm goblins all they wanted. That is a plural of plurals for those who may not have caught on yet.

Anywhos...

The whole running ahead of the offensive is a new angle This one is trying as they work to broaden their horizon as a group leader, and bring newer players up to speed. As they plan to go on hiatus for a while they're trying to pack as much education into each PVP run as they can.

As an aside they also got some very lovely tells from some very lovely pacters about how khajiit is not what Telel has never claimed to be. Apparently Telel should be able to fight three gankers while riding on their horse....whom end up using their ultimates on Khajiit anyways....in order to enter the hallowed realm of 'the good'.

Sadly Telel failed this august rite and was told they were not a thing that they have never once been. Apparently that is very important to some people.

That is why Telel is glad they are an incompetent meat sack not worthy of the greatness that comes with being 'skilled'. They would much rather be polite and a good sport to those they murder.

*Khajiit has actually been accused of leading zergs over the last few weeks. Usually by people who run off on their own and got run down. It's one reason they have a twitch stream now.

Telel leading a zerg?!?!!?!? Oh wow. Not only is the game totally out of whack but some of the players are whacko as well. The idea of the sneaky Khajiit leading a horde of yellow pugs up the Alessia-Sej death route just cracks me up no end.

Telel

Oh yes, telel is known for their great subtelty.

That must be why no one ever seems to heed this one's advice to "put up some $%$#$# #$#%$%# siege so they stop respawning you #$#@##$##%%$$^!"

Much to subtle for those of greater importance than a humble khajiit coward

In other news COH got invited by Emperor Fixate to come kill him on Thornblade so if the rats have already departed the Azura's Star ship you may find the wolves migrating over there. But we plan to try and stick it out a week to see if there's any good sports besides us left in this game.

Kobaal

God_flakes wrote: »

Methuselah

Quickly, He's naming someone.... Ban Him!!! Ban Him!!!! Close off this thread before more names are thrown out.... FOR THE LOVE OF JEEBUS!

Agrippa_Invisus

Kobaal wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Methuselah

Quickly, He's naming someone.... Ban Him!!! Ban Him!!!! Close off this thread before more names are thrown out.... FOR THE LOVE OF JEEBUS!

James
Robert
Cindy
Michelle
Ricardo
Kim
Sven
Olga


SNOOPY!

God_flakes

Kobaal wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Methuselah

Quickly, He's naming someone.... Ban Him!!! Ban Him!!!! Close off this thread before more names are thrown out.... FOR THE LOVE OF JEEBUS!

Hahahaha!

Meth is my new crush. I can't be banned for kissing someone's arse, right? I mean right?

Telel

So once things got hopping tonight this one would like to say they think the population overall was fairly balanced.

Dumbminion was of course locked early on but both the daggets and pacters had a healthy number three bars just about every time Telel checked. Had they fully double teamed us humble, and handsome, followers of Queen Razum-Dar then perhaps this one would be much balder now.

Instead the blue meanies mostly farmed the ones to dumb or to Telel enough to not push the red...rupies....while also pretty much taking every thing the pact had aside from blue road keep.

Except for Farragut. This one took that, and just was to lazy to walk back down to Alessia So when the twenty people in daggerfall blue crawled in (on their bellies) in behind them they permitted them to help Telel on their trip south.

Certainly had this one wanted them not to have it, they'd have slipped out the back far more quickly and never have gotten caught just as they got the O-tick. Then perhaps some interpretative aerobizizing type dancing to put the fear of Khajiit in them before finishing them off by catching all their attacks with one's face.

In fact it was likely their attempt on Ghartok that finally drew off enough pact to let us FINALLY crack BRK just in time for dinner, and in time to save Telel's sanity.

However one side's continued tendency to seemingly run their entire population as one mass horde has proven most unfortunate for this one's ability to place siege. In fact Telel has had to resort to being the sugar siege daddy for their guild as the newer players can no longer afford to lose weapon after weapon when the region bugs out.

Hypertionb14_ESO

i actually have to admit i had fun late the night before the night of campaign reset fighting mr meth with just a few..

the bats are strong with him, and i had to admit that using clouding swarm to keep yourself from getting interrupted while casting proxy det was clever.

Zyle

All hail the pvdoor emp :P Real sneaky AD.

Telel

Don't worry. Telel already saw the pacters sneaking back into their keeps shortly after players left for food and jobs.

If the Dumbminion's fair weather keep campers stay away for a bit Telel is sure the EP won't just up and flee to chillrend and leave the daggets to be the only persistent opposition, again.

They certainly weren't just here the last four days merely to farm Telel....right?

CN_Daniel

"They would also realize that there has been a hardcore group of DC fighting the good fight day after day who aren't just now coming to the server in order to farm scrubs. Those blue meanies have earned much respect (and rumbled curses) from Telel."

Telel

Yes Khajiit is many negative things, and most certainly not dangerous in a fight.

However never let it be said they do not give credit where credit is due.

Also do not say you think that thing in their paw might have been in your pockets...because this one is fairly sure they picked it up off the ground after it fell out of some unlikable thief's slimy man fingers.

Sacadon

NPK Daniel wrote: »

You know that noise the blue narried's (sp?) in DSA make? That's my teams battle cry. We all do it in ts as we charge.

"BANANA, ALALALALALA"

Audio clip or calling bs on it... Mostly just want to hear it though

BossTuggles

From a DC perspective the population imbalance really isn't the issue the issue is the way the people fight. I am one of the elitist small group runners and I run with two of the best players in this game. With this being said we routinely are fighting 5X our numbers sometimes even more but this is all well and good. We work with what we got we use terrain clever oil drops etc. The issue is when you get these groups of 20+ (again the number isn't the issue) rolling around as a blob of humanity spamming 2 buttons, hell the best players in these masses spam 3 buttons, with constant purge spam is what causes ALL OF THE ISSUES the game is currently having.

Even if you bring up the point mass pvp, way the game was meant to be played, blah blah blah. Ill argue the point that this is clearly not the way the game was meat to be played. Hell the game gives you access to 10 skills on 2 bars. When you run in these groups you are using 3 skills tops. Do you think the GAME INTENDED you to only use a third of what you are given access to. With PvP it becomes just a who has more numbers game which is all well and good, but in everything small groups have way to fight larger numbers. Tactics, terrain, etc. but with the way you people play, and yes you know who you are, you take advantage of the broken aspect of this game to make it just unplayable.

Also if you defend this type of play as "Organization" or that this makes you feel happy inside and is the way you enjoy playing. Do you really like to follow someone like a lemming hitting 2-3 buttons. Not even understanding or feeling what you are doing is even contributing to this "Organized" group? Be honest with yourself.

TLDR Population isn't really the issue, what the issue is is how these populations fight. IE BALL GROUPS.

QUICK SUBRSCRIBE TO MY YOUTUBE TWITCH CHANNELS JAJAJA.

NukeAllTheThings

so if you use 8+ skills while in a zergball you are super duper elite?

JDar

For what it's worth, as of 6:37 PM Central US time, Azura's is on fire. The map is fun and balanced despite being clearly in the favor of the Dominion, and I hope it stays this way. Come back and contest it!

Rylana

JDar wrote: »

For what it's worth, as of 6:37 PM Central US time, Azura's is on fire. The map is fun and balanced despite being clearly in the favor of the Dominion, and I hope it stays this way. Come back and contest it!

So said the EP zerg on Thornblade before all the AD/DC left, so said all of the DC on Chillrend before the AD/EP left

Historical, but perspective honestly =/

People always want people to come where they have defensive advantage, and it is getting old quick. They never come out to fight, they just want to hide in keeps all day and get defense ticks.

And then nightcap the map after the "invaders" leave for the day, especially on current haderus.

Why doesnt AD just go to Chillrend or back to Thorn? Is it because they arent 100 percent yellow maps 23 hours out of the day?

NukeAllTheThings

JDar wrote: »

For what it's worth, as of 6:37 PM Central US time, Azura's is on fire. The map is fun and balanced despite being clearly in the favor of the Dominion, and I hope it stays this way. Come back and contest it!

Fun yes, balanced...eh not so much.....but there is fun to be had despite fighting 3-4 raids at a keep. And by fun I mean a metric crapton of AP

JDar

Ok so it wasn't ideal but it seemed like a step in the right direction. We all want that early Thornblade/late Wabbajack stasis where we all fought in one campaign and anybody could win. Seems like a dream now

Observant

Scoreboards showed EP in third last night, but the map said otherwise.

Need Moar DC!
btw Ash is your home keep too, why slam your heads against the Chal brick wall over and over? Isn't that demoralizing?

Weberda

Observant wrote: »

Scoreboards showed EP in third last night, but the map said otherwise.

Need Moar DC!
btw Ash is your home keep too, why slam your heads against the Chal brick wall over and over? Isn't that demoralizing?

I played my DC toon over the weekend on Azura and there appears to be some kind of mystic magnetism involved with certain areas of the map for DC. If they hold Glade then it's Chalman much like it is Sejanus for AD and EP. If Glade is red or yellow then it's the area from Rayles mine to Glade mine. It's just constant ebb and flow. It was fun for a while as I got to try different setups but in the end it was pretty pointless with regards to the actual campaign.

Observant

Weberda wrote: »

Observant wrote: »

Scoreboards showed EP in third last night, but the map said otherwise.

Need Moar DC!
btw Ash is your home keep too, why slam your heads against the Chal brick wall over and over? Isn't that demoralizing?

I played my DC toon over the weekend on Azura and there appears to be some kind of mystic magnetism involved with certain areas of the map for DC. If they hold Glade then it's Chalman much like it is Sejanus for AD and EP. If Glade is red or yellow then it's the area from Rayles mine to Glade mine. It's just constant ebb and flow. It was fun for a while as I got to try different setups but in the end it was pretty pointless with regards to the actual campaign.

It was alright in terms of AP, but with only 2 EP guilds (3 if you include GSCH) it was just a constant mount simulator between Chal and Arrius defending flagged keeps. Ample time to snake Ash, hell I think they even had Nikel

Where was NPK at?! @NPK Daniel

Edit: Why can't I tag someones @name in a post without quotations skewing the link?

Takllin

Observant wrote: »

Scoreboards showed EP in third last night, but the map said otherwise.

Need Moar DC!
btw Ash is your home keep too, why slam your heads against the Chal brick wall over and over? Isn't that demoralizing?

It's the same thing with AD and the Alessia bridge hahaha.