Console champion points

marcmyb14_ESO

Any official confirmation that transferring from PC to console includes all champion points on the account? I don't plan on playing on console but this seems like it could be problematic if most of the console users are just starting out. Just curious.

Dalglish

From the sounds of it, everything is swapped over, including Champion Points, only stuff not transferred is stuff like leaderboard stats, guild settings and in-game friends lists (I assume to be replaced by the console friends list).

MissBizz

It's not on the list of NOT transferring items, plus, I would consider that part of my progression.. just like levels, and you will definitely still be the same level after the transfer... so I would think it's safe to assume these do transfer. I haven't seen any official word specific to champion points though.

Yukian

As far as i know, EVERYTHING is transferred except for the semi-personal information(settings, friend lists, etc)
Things such as stat points, champion points/etc, should remain the same

Ojustaboo

It's already causing problems on the PC with people on low level alts.

In Blackthorn one had a full set of nirnhoned, with that and their CP, they might as well have been immortal HP not moving in the slightest with a group attacking them.

Now imagine rather than an experienced group running into this character, you have just got your first character to level 10 on the console, gone into Blackthorn, grouped up with a few other new low levels and you run into this guy.

Don't think you will enjoy the experience.

Sure over time, new players will always run into this sort of thing, and sure people level at different rates. But you don't expect to buy a new release game and find others are months ahead of you with what they can craft and their CP.

I think transferring everything could backfire and end up annoying a lot of new players.

Molsondry

I feel so sad for the new pvp players on console... Champion points...

Who the hell had that bright idea at Zos and did they take mushroom or something when they voted to suppport this idea? OMG this is such a broken concept... Hi I come from pc and I have 300 champions points . My champs point give me 10 % cost spell reduction 5 %magika regen 12% passive spell crit 15% reduced overall dmg taken etc.. or what ever build you want .My champions point give me better advantage then some 5 piece vr 14 set right now ... And guess what as long I keep playing you wont ever be as strong as me, unless i stop playing.

NewBlacksmurf

Interesting thoughts but I just concluded that vet levels and champ levels were all included based on what else was copying over.

I can only imagine the "WTH" threads if not.

TequilaFire

What would be the point of an account or character copy if you didn't take all the progression you have earned over the last year?

Might as well start a new character if they didn't.

Nerio

Molsondry wrote: »

I feel so sad for the new pvp players on console... Champion points...

Who the hell had that bright idea at Zos and did they take mushroom or something when they voted to suppport this idea? OMG this is such a broken concept... Hi I come from pc and I have 300 champions points . My champs point give me 10 % cost spell reduction 5 %magika regen 12% passive spell crit 15% reduced overall dmg taken etc.. or what ever build you want .My champions point give me better advantage then some 5 piece vr 14 set right now ... And guess what as long I keep playing you wont ever be as strong as me, unless i stop playing.

Same problem for anyone new who starts the game on PC. This is just a problem with how MMO's work in general.

marcmyb14_ESO

Tbh, the champion system was a flawed idea from the start because of this very problem. What's going to happen 2-3 years down the road when people have 1200, 2400, 3600 champion points? New players will never be able to catch up. This severely damages the longevity of the game if they ever hope to try to entice new people to play it. Oh I know what they can do. Sell champion points in the crown store. *sigh* it's probably heading that way.

marcmyb14_ESO

Ojustaboo wrote: »

It's already causing problems on the PC with people on low level alts.

In Blackthorn one had a full set of nirnhoned, with that and their CP, they might as well have been immortal HP not moving in the slightest with a group attacking them.

Funny, I encountered this several times myself and I ragequit assuming it was just some hacker. I don't see how 50% spell resist can make someone nearly invincible to an entire group of players. But that is for another topic.

marcmyb14_ESO

Nerio wrote: »

Molsondry wrote: »

I feel so sad for the new pvp players on console... Champion points...

Who the hell had that bright idea at Zos and did they take mushroom or something when they voted to suppport this idea? OMG this is such a broken concept... Hi I come from pc and I have 300 champions points . My champs point give me 10 % cost spell reduction 5 %magika regen 12% passive spell crit 15% reduced overall dmg taken etc.. or what ever build you want .My champions point give me better advantage then some 5 piece vr 14 set right now ... And guess what as long I keep playing you wont ever be as strong as me, unless i stop playing.

Same problem for anyone new who starts the game on PC. This is just a problem with how MMO's work in general.

Most MMOs do not have a system like this because they have a regular flow of content updates and level cap increases. This is a buy2play feature, which GW2 is also implementing in their expansion, as a way to keep players playing and progressing without having to do much on their end.

delushin

Dam it ... I should have read about this and continued to play my characters more till console release. This will potentially impact our goal of claiming the throne!

traigusb14_ESO2

Yeah, anything not "in transit" is copied. SO

marcmyb14_ESO wrote: »

Nerio wrote: »

Molsondry wrote: »

I feel so sad for the new pvp players on console... Champion points...

Who the hell had that bright idea at Zos and did they take mushroom or something when they voted to suppport this idea? OMG this is such a broken concept... Hi I come from pc and I have 300 champions points . My champs point give me 10 % cost spell reduction 5 %magika regen 12% passive spell crit 15% reduced overall dmg taken etc.. or what ever build you want .My champions point give me better advantage then some 5 piece vr 14 set right now ... And guess what as long I keep playing you wont ever be as strong as me, unless i stop playing.

Same problem for anyone new who starts the game on PC. This is just a problem with how MMO's work in general.

Most MMOs do not have a system like this because they have a regular flow of content updates and level cap increases. This is a buy2play feature, which GW2 is also implementing in their expansion, as a way to keep players playing and progressing without having to do much on their end.

Everquest started a CP like system (AA, alternate Advancement points)like this er... 13+ years ago... it was still very much a monthly sub game. In fact *** came out with an expansion, so people would have more to do because they were not raising the level cap a lot very often. Characters with lots of AA points were hugely more powerful than those without. Causes a lot of grinding... still does.

Ojustaboo

TequilaFire wrote: »

What would be the point of an account or character copy if you didn't take all the progression you have earned over the last year?

Might as well start a new character if they didn't.

I agree 100%.

But I think Zenimax made an error offering this, a fresh start for all on the consoles would be much fairer in my opinion.

I really do believe within a few weeks, various forums will be in uproar about this.

Ojustaboo

Nerio wrote: »

Molsondry wrote: »

I feel so sad for the new pvp players on console... Champion points...

Who the hell had that bright idea at Zos and did they take mushroom or something when they voted to suppport this idea? OMG this is such a broken concept... Hi I come from pc and I have 300 champions points . My champs point give me 10 % cost spell reduction 5 %magika regen 12% passive spell crit 15% reduced overall dmg taken etc.. or what ever build you want .My champions point give me better advantage then some 5 piece vr 14 set right now ... And guess what as long I keep playing you wont ever be as strong as me, unless i stop playing.

Same problem for anyone new who starts the game on PC. This is just a problem with how MMO's work in general.

As I said in my earlier post, there's a huge difference between joining an mmo a year or more after launch, when you know and expect to be behind, and buying a brand new release and finding you are a year behind,

You can't compare the two very different situations.

I've seen a few threads on various non mmo sites where people are excited to be buying this and are glad it's finally come to consoles, they really don't know these transfers are taking place.


For instance, a UK site says about the console versions

The Elder Scrolls Online is the latest chapter of the award-winning franchise, and will bring the legendary experience online for the first time. Whether you play with your friends or adventure alone, the game’s innovative combat system allows you to focus on action and tactics, not the UI. Use any weapon or armour at any time and customise your abilities to play the way you want as you uncover the mysteries of Tamriel and seek heroic quests on your own terms.

A console player reading that, will presume by the use of "first time" that everyone will be starting afresh.

Nerio

marcmyb14_ESO wrote: »

Nerio wrote: »

Molsondry wrote: »

I feel so sad for the new pvp players on console... Champion points...

Who the hell had that bright idea at Zos and did they take mushroom or something when they voted to suppport this idea? OMG this is such a broken concept... Hi I come from pc and I have 300 champions points . My champs point give me 10 % cost spell reduction 5 %magika regen 12% passive spell crit 15% reduced overall dmg taken etc.. or what ever build you want .My champions point give me better advantage then some 5 piece vr 14 set right now ... And guess what as long I keep playing you wont ever be as strong as me, unless i stop playing.

Same problem for anyone new who starts the game on PC. This is just a problem with how MMO's work in general.

Most MMOs do not have a system like this because they have a regular flow of content updates and level cap increases. This is a buy2play feature, which GW2 is also implementing in their expansion, as a way to keep players playing and progressing without having to do much on their end.

They might not have identical systems, but if you try an MMO that you've never played which has been out for a while, you will find yourself at an immediate disadvantage.

Ojustaboo wrote: »

Nerio wrote: »

Molsondry wrote: »

I feel so sad for the new pvp players on console... Champion points...

Who the hell had that bright idea at Zos and did they take mushroom or something when they voted to suppport this idea? OMG this is such a broken concept... Hi I come from pc and I have 300 champions points . My champs point give me 10 % cost spell reduction 5 %magika regen 12% passive spell crit 15% reduced overall dmg taken etc.. or what ever build you want .My champions point give me better advantage then some 5 piece vr 14 set right now ... And guess what as long I keep playing you wont ever be as strong as me, unless i stop playing.

Same problem for anyone new who starts the game on PC. This is just a problem with how MMO's work in general.

As I said in my earlier post, there's a huge difference between joining an mmo a year or more after launch, when you know and expect to be behind, and buying a brand new release and finding you are a year behind,

You can't compare the two very different situations.

I've seen a few threads on various non mmo sites where people are excited to be buying this and are glad it's finally come to consoles, they really don't know these transfers are taking place.

ESO has been out for a year or more.

Ojustaboo

marcmyb14_ESO wrote: »

Ojustaboo wrote: »

It's already causing problems on the PC with people on low level alts.

In Blackthorn one had a full set of nirnhoned, with that and their CP, they might as well have been immortal HP not moving in the slightest with a group attacking them.

Funny, I encountered this several times myself and I ragequit assuming it was just some hacker. I don't see how 50% spell resist can make someone nearly invincible to an entire group of players. But that is for another topic.

Nerio wrote: »

marcmyb14_ESO wrote: »

Nerio wrote: »

Molsondry wrote: »

I feel so sad for the new pvp players on console... Champion points...

Who the hell had that bright idea at Zos and did they take mushroom or something when they voted to suppport this idea? OMG this is such a broken concept... Hi I come from pc and I have 300 champions points . My champs point give me 10 % cost spell reduction 5 %magika regen 12% passive spell crit 15% reduced overall dmg taken etc.. or what ever build you want .My champions point give me better advantage then some 5 piece vr 14 set right now ... And guess what as long I keep playing you wont ever be as strong as me, unless i stop playing.

Same problem for anyone new who starts the game on PC. This is just a problem with how MMO's work in general.

Most MMOs do not have a system like this because they have a regular flow of content updates and level cap increases. This is a buy2play feature, which GW2 is also implementing in their expansion, as a way to keep players playing and progressing without having to do much on their end.

They might not have identical systems, but if you try an MMO that you've never played which has been out for a while, you will find yourself at an immediate disadvantage.

Ojustaboo wrote: »

Nerio wrote: »

Molsondry wrote: »

I feel so sad for the new pvp players on console... Champion points...

Who the hell had that bright idea at Zos and did they take mushroom or something when they voted to suppport this idea? OMG this is such a broken concept... Hi I come from pc and I have 300 champions points . My champs point give me 10 % cost spell reduction 5 %magika regen 12% passive spell crit 15% reduced overall dmg taken etc.. or what ever build you want .My champions point give me better advantage then some 5 piece vr 14 set right now ... And guess what as long I keep playing you wont ever be as strong as me, unless i stop playing.

Same problem for anyone new who starts the game on PC. This is just a problem with how MMO's work in general.

As I said in my earlier post, there's a huge difference between joining an mmo a year or more after launch, when you know and expect to be behind, and buying a brand new release and finding you are a year behind,

You can't compare the two very different situations.

I've seen a few threads on various non mmo sites where people are excited to be buying this and are glad it's finally come to consoles, they really don't know these transfers are taking place.

ESO has been out for a year or more.

Yes but the two PS4 servers and the two Xbone servers are both new, hence people presume everyone's starting from scratch.

Ojustaboo

Googling the console transfer, here's a few comments

So pc players will be able to transfer max level accounts to Xbox/ps? Is this correct? If so this is bs, what's the point in getting in on the game at its release if there are maxed players in the world. Maybe I'll cancel my preorder

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Please understand that I am not looking to be critical of it or anything negative. What I am is curious on why and totally excited on how great the console launch day is going to be with many console players being able to start playing and transfers coming over giving an incredible sense of not just powerful npc's but even more powerful players being right there on launch day.

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A chance to be a living god?
Already have max everything and so much gold and champion points. Will be awesome

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Not at all upset about the fact qualified players get a $20 copy but whoevers idea it was to transfer characters? Come on, that is absolute ***! Now on launch day we are going to have 10-15% of players spamming the chat about endgame material, because they have been graced by the Zeni-Gods to keep their character.

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So this means at launch that hundreds of thousands of console players are at an unfair advantage, since PC Mustard Rice gets a $20 copy with a free copy of their account to go with it.... Well played Zenimax!

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thats stupid i wish this dint happen only because xbox and ps4 players can all start fresh without high levels already around who would have a headstart on doing stuff

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Or maybe you want an legitimate chance of achieving a "world first" on your console of choice which now you couldn't do because the PC payers who have transfered over to console are now months ahead of you and can easy achieve that stuff in the first week.

Nerio

Ojustaboo wrote: »

Googling the console transfer, here's a few comments

Cherry picking evidence to support your agenda doesn't make your opinions more valid than the opinions of those who disagree.

Ojustaboo

Nerio wrote: »

Ojustaboo wrote: »

Googling the console transfer, here's a few comments

Cherry picking evidence to support your agenda doesn't make your opinions more valid than the opinions of those who disagree.

Of course it doesn't.

I have no agenda, I'm transferring to the PS4 (although playing PC mainly) and I made sure I got a ton of stuff out the guild bank before my character was copied.

I'm simply saying that I think most people buying for the console release will not be aware of this and I do think many will be annoyed come the few weeks after release when they find out. And I simply googled and picked a few examples mainly of those not aware about it (and one who thought being God compared to new players was fun), to show what is likely to happen come release.

I am happy to be proven completely wrong in the next few weeks, nothing would please me more than for it to be a great success and more money be available to get content out.

While I have taken advantage of the copy and have made sure I have a ton of items, I still think this could be a very bad move for Zenimax, that's all I'm saying (and while I've often been right with my predictions in the past, I have equally often been wrong too).

RinaldoGandolphi

The fact they are even allowing PC players to transfer all their CP, gear, levels, characters over to console is just....just....



to say anything more wouldn't be a good idea...

gunplummer

I think that anyone who initially pre-ordered the console version should be well aware of the opportunity to play on pc and transfer your character to console, especially since the delay was so widely publicized. It's not like it was some well kept secret by ZoS. I'm sure that a lot of console players bought the pc version with this in mind.

However, i do agree with another post that there will be a ton of grief complaints from console players (or CoD player parents) about the unfairness of it all.

I can predict this, if mmo's take off on consoles you will see a lot more conversions and WTF complaint threads. Gaming is a billion dollar industry and with die hard fans who will only stick to their particular platform (pc, ps4, xbone) any company would be foolish not to cash in on this gold mine. NW is boasting 1.6 million players on xbox after 3 months I'm sure their cash shop sales are through the roof and they are seeing gold sellers already spamming chat.

freespirit

And when the complaints start......

Guess what?

A newly stocked Crown store with loads of 'Starter' XP and CP boosters.

NewBlacksmurf

I personally think this is a situation where a complaint is heard but never responded to.
There was A LOT of marketing around the console transfer offer. AND I MEAN A LOT to the point where people on the xbox forums were talking about this last year as well as other sites.

If anyone who is buying this game has no idea of the PC to console transfer, then those players would have also started late if the game was release on time or even 6 months later.

This is no different than any other game, if you start late, then you will not have progressed as much as others.
Is it a problem....not at all
Is it a concern of others, ABSOLUTELY
Should anything be changed or done about all this.....well VR levels should be removed soon as if that has any impact on Champion Levels it would be addressed then.

No idea why there is a constant...This isn't fair... theme around console release. Multiple topics on different things where in some eyes the game should be exactly the same as PC, with pre-start dates, fresh characters, mouse/keyboard access and even a similar UI.

I'm not sure if people just didn't follow much but A LOT of articles and ZOS items addressed these things since December 2014 to current if not earlier. No surprises at tjis point about the game other than the handling of the PC to console xfer process.

Best wishes...cya on June 9th if your on Xbox One.

BuggeX

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

This is no different than any other game, if you start late, then you will not have progressed as much as others.
Is it a problem....not at all
Is it a concern of others, ABSOLUTELY
Should anything be changed or done about all this.....well VR levels should be removed soon as if that has any impact on Champion Levels it would be addressed then.

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Im sure noone will say somthing else, but Teso will be released for consol.

The main reason ppl complain is that not all new Play, could have the Chance to "preload" the game on your pc a year ago.

Well dont know wath to think about this. At on Point is a nice move from Zos Overall, if they allow to Trans the Progress.
I meen the first releas was planned for Settembre(?) 2014. So they told us, it take much more time, but we will be able to Trans the Progress if we uy the game on the pc.
But then. all the transfered "gods" to the console will just ruin the fun for móst new Players...

well i dont know...

NewBlacksmurf

BuggeX wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

This is no different than any other game, if you start late, then you will not have progressed as much as others.
Is it a problem....not at all
Is it a concern of others, ABSOLUTELY
Should anything be changed or done about all this.....well VR levels should be removed soon as if that has any impact on Champion Levels it would be addressed then.

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Im sure noone will say somthing else, but Teso will be released for consol.

The main reason ppl complain is that not all new Play, could have the Chance to "preload" the game on your pc a year ago.

Well dont know wath to think about this. At on Point is a nice move from Zos Overall, if they allow to Trans the Progress.
I meen the first releas was planned for Settembre(?) 2014. So they told us, it take much more time, but we will be able to Trans the Progress if we uy the game on the pc.
But then. all the transfered "gods" to the console will just ruin the fun for móst new Players...

well i dont know...

That is a lot of assumptions being used.

Lets be realistic. on June 9th, someone can start fresh with another friend using ESO plus, ring of mara AND maybe the exp pots if released and in less than a few days to a week be in VR zones.

At that pace and it will happen, people will surpass some PC transfer folks.
The same applies to people on PC...there are new players on PC who are VR14 and I'm not. I started way before them but they put in more effort than I so its fair to anyone regardless of when and where you start off.

Also considering the biggest complaint ppl are making is PvP/champion point choices, where if your basing a VR14 with champion pts vs a new VR with no champion pts, then of course in a 1 vs 1 battle where the VR14 is an experienced player, then the new VR is more likely to loose. Thats not a definite and is based on choices during the battle.

Some people may desire to PvP lurking for 1 on 1 and small battles but the purpose of PvP as a whole is not just limited to those situations.
Each Alliance works together so when all the PC folks transfer over there will be a spread of players in all different ranges and levels. I'd imagine some PC groups of friends and maybe guilds decided to take the PC offer to get a head start and continue on console. The only thing keeping anyone else from doing so are choices.

Its fair...trying to create any sense that this was unfair isn't true.
We all start things at different points in life whether if be a game, job, profession, etc. If anyone's idea is that its not fair if someone else began earlier than you, then they are choosing not to compete. One person has different talents and abilities, opportunities and motivations than another. If that is someone's idea of unfair, then life as a whole and anything that occurs in life to that person is also unfair. that's the reality of it all

best wishes

marcmyb14_ESO

I disagree with those saying this isn't any different than any other MMO. Those champion points will keep progressing the more you play, they'll never "reset" and people who are way behind will never have a chance catch up no matter what the game does (unless they sell CP packs or boosters in the store, but then that doesn't stop those with a wealth of CP to also get those, making the game pay2win). However, for example, even if you started playing WoW after all of these years, you could still technically "catch up" just by waiting until the next expansion releases, leveling with everyone else to 110 or whatever, and then you'd essentially be on the same "level" as they are, minus all the gold and some other stuff perhaps. You could then raid, gear up, grind out whatever you need, and you'd be just as powerful as them. Hell, what am I talking about? You don't even have to wait for a new expansion because most people already have those raids on farm so they could just carry you through them and gear you up. But with a system like champion points, if you just got into the game you will be far far behind, no matter what you do. It's just a bad decision and a major oversight imo. I foresee the game being a hard sell to new players in several years. Even if they put CP boosters in the store, who's going to want to pay for that? Just got this game, but in order to catch up and be on the same level as everyone I have to pay for it? I don't think so.

Ojustaboo

gunplummer wrote: »

I think that anyone who initially pre-ordered the console version should be well aware of the opportunity to play on pc and transfer your character to console, especially since the delay was so widely publicized. It's not like it was some well kept secret by ZoS. I'm sure that a lot of console players bought the pc version with this in mind.
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Yes, but I suspect most of the console players aware of this, brought the PC version.

Many gamers don't spend much if any time on forums. Many gamers a year ago wouldn't know they were getting a PS4 or Xbone, hence even if they did visit gaming sites may not have paid this much attention.

Again I hope I am wrong, but I do think there will be a lot of unsuspecting players feeling agrieved over this.

Ojustaboo

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

I personally think this is a situation where a complaint is heard but never responded to.
There was A LOT of marketing around the console transfer offer. AND I MEAN A LOT to the point where people on the xbox forums were talking about this last year as well as other sites.

If anyone who is buying this game has no idea of the PC to console transfer, then those players would have also started late if the game was release on time or even 6 months later.

Yep but most of those players would realise they are buying an old game hence expect it. The fact it was delayed means as far as a lot of people are concerned, it's a brand new game on the console platform.

I have a 360 as does my (adult) son, had it since release, we probably haven't been to the ms xbox forum more than a couple of times when having live problems.

Same with PS, had every PS console and only visit it's forums if I have an error and I know tons of gamers like me.

I don't have an xbone, I just glanced at the ms forum and found this thread, while not many posts, it does show how people not aware of this will feel.

4 posters think it will suck for them, one poster puts them at ease, that poster is you, but I really think you don't get how this can affect the non vet pvp.

http://forums.xbox.com/xbox_forums/xbox_one_games/e_-_k/elder_scrolls_online/f/4102/t/1951787.aspx

NewBlacksmurf

Ojustaboo wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

I personally think this is a situation where a complaint is heard but never responded to.
There was A LOT of marketing around the console transfer offer. AND I MEAN A LOT to the point where people on the xbox forums were talking about this last year as well as other sites.

If anyone who is buying this game has no idea of the PC to console transfer, then those players would have also started late if the game was release on time or even 6 months later.

Yep but most of those players would realise they are buying an old game hence expect it. The fact it was delayed means as far as a lot of people are concerned, it's a brand new game on the console platform.

I have a 360 as does my (adult) son, had it since release, we probably haven't been to the ms xbox forum more than a couple of times when having live problems.

Same with PS, had every PS console and only visit it's forums if I have an error and I know tons of gamers like me.

I don't have an xbone, I just glanced at the ms forum and found this thread, while not many posts, it does show how people not aware of this will feel.

4 posters think it will suck for them, one poster puts them at ease, that poster is you, but I really think you don't get how this can affect the non vet pvp.

http://forums.xbox.com/xbox_forums/xbox_one_games/e_-_k/elder_scrolls_online/f/4102/t/1951787.aspx

I get it and I completely understand the point of view people have with these concerns but the rationale is this...
The game release date is new on xbox one and PS4 but the gamers are not new.

The gamers of all three were given the same offer and opportunity in 2014.
When I played college football people would say stuff to me that i always thought was weird like....You're lucky, I bet you've been playing since you were a little kid and thats why you're so good.

Or now that I work in the NFL....you're lucky cause XYZ and if I had the same opportunities you had XYZ.
-Well, technically we all have the same opportunities and technically we all make our own choices.

Its easy to only look at the circumstance and consider it unfair but if you go all the way back to lets say (based on my age) 1992, then any person could have made choices and decisions which would place them in a different circumstance.

Along the way we all have to make mistakes and learn from them. The choices of who we hang around, who and what we allow to influence us is key.

Is everyone's situation, exactly the same, of course not but even if they are, the outcomes still differ.
As coaches and leaders always said to us in college and in the NFL...there is always someone in your eyes better than you, who had it easier than you who you think will excel past you.

You get to decide the outcome, as well as they get to decide their own.