About DK skills

noobfury

So with all due respect to other classes , I know everyone puts a lot of time and effort in to them .

Why don't DK's have even one CLASS skill that does any damage worth mentioning ?

Should we really have to use non class skills as a work around to stay viable when the other three classes all have much more powerful offensive capabilities ?

Yes even Templars have better damage output than DK's .

It's a joke having other classes hit you for 18 - 29 k and the most you can do is 2-3 k if your lucky.

Mr_Nobody

Because your class has a ton of utility, including various types of tankyness, self heals and most importantly - massive CC which synergize perfectly with your mediocre damaging abilities. Not sure if a troll post though, but the line "Yes even Templars have better damage output than DK's " made me smile. I would trade talons/fossilize for the entire Dawns wrath or Aedric spear line.

Sensesfail13

And all the useful ones were nerfed or dont work correctly anymore because of changes because of people that can not play the game that whine about over-poweredness every time they recieve a death recap.

Armitas

All we have is lava whip and people already complain because they feel they have received too much of this skill per session. It's doing like 2-3k against nirn so they should really be praising.

Lyzaaa

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Because your class has a ton of utility, including various types of tankyness, self heals and most importantly - massive CC which synergize perfectly with your mediocre damaging abilities. Not sure if a troll post though, but the line "Yes even Templars have better damage output than DK's " made me smile. I would trade talons/fossilize for the entire Dawns wrath or Aedric spear line.

The buffs u mention is like.. dayum NB's get those for free on a passive. CC? Fear. Not to mention gapcloser.

Honestly, you could max out ur dmg , run in light etc, but u'd be forced to run 1h/shield for the gapcloser.. And u'd still get easily outdpsed by a sorc or anything.. while being a squishy .. in melee range... with no escapes.

Much use of utility if u cant escape..

If anything.. DK out of all classes makes me feel like an empty husk.. using anything but class skills nearly.. Theres some good skills but they almost always have better alternatives.And in an overall DK class skills are lacking sooo much

Mr_Nobody

Lyzaaa wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Because your class has a ton of utility, including various types of tankyness, self heals and most importantly - massive CC which synergize perfectly with your mediocre damaging abilities. Not sure if a troll post though, but the line "Yes even Templars have better damage output than DK's " made me smile. I would trade talons/fossilize for the entire Dawns wrath or Aedric spear line.

The buffs u mention is like.. dayum NB's get those for free on a passive. CC? Fear. Not to mention gapcloser.

Honestly, you could max out ur dmg , run in light etc, but u'd be forced to run 1h/shield for the gapcloser.. And u'd still get easily outdpsed by a sorc or anything.. while being a squishy .. in melee range... with no escapes.

Much use of utility if u cant escape..

If anything.. DK out of all classes makes me feel like an empty husk.. using anything but class skills nearly.. Theres some good skills but they almost always have better alternatives.And in an overall DK class skills are lacking sooo much

You must be playing ur DK wrong. DK is not squishy, considering if ure magicka one, also you got endless spammable CC options. You can brag how much you want, but i can assure you, Solo/Smallman PvP wise, any templar would trade 1 or even 2 entire class skill trees just for the CC DKs have. Stop complaining about a class which is perfectly fine in comparison to others.

~ "Much use of utility if u cant escape..." ~ If you want escape tools - roll a vamp. That way you could spam talons/fossilize in between mists and run away from numbers. Whereas I am spamming BoL with 10 idiots still chasing me for X amount of time till they either give up or I still get CCd by the amazing ability called Talons and die.

I guess you havent met Skaffa in a field, that guy is a beast magicka DK.

Lyzaaa

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Lyzaaa wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Because your class has a ton of utility, including various types of tankyness, self heals and most importantly - massive CC which synergize perfectly with your mediocre damaging abilities. Not sure if a troll post though, but the line "Yes even Templars have better damage output than DK's " made me smile. I would trade talons/fossilize for the entire Dawns wrath or Aedric spear line.

The buffs u mention is like.. dayum NB's get those for free on a passive. CC? Fear. Not to mention gapcloser.

Honestly, you could max out ur dmg , run in light etc, but u'd be forced to run 1h/shield for the gapcloser.. And u'd still get easily outdpsed by a sorc or anything.. while being a squishy .. in melee range... with no escapes.

Much use of utility if u cant escape..

If anything.. DK out of all classes makes me feel like an empty husk.. using anything but class skills nearly.. Theres some good skills but they almost always have better alternatives.And in an overall DK class skills are lacking sooo much

You must be playing ur DK wrong. DK is not squishy, considering if ure magicka one, also you got endless spammable CC options. You can brag how much you want, but i can assure you, Solo/Smallman PvP wise, any templar would trade 1 or even 2 entire class skill trees just for the CC DKs have. Stop complaining about a class which is perfectly fine in comparison to others.

~ "Much use of utility if u cant escape..." ~ If you want escape tools - roll a vamp. That way you could spam talons/fossilize in between mists and run away from numbers. Whereas I am spamming BoL with 10 idiots still chasing me for X amount of time till they either give up or I still get CCd by the amazing ability called Talons and die.

I guess you havent met Skaffa in a field, that guy is a beast magicka DK.

We're not talking about how well a certain person can roll with DK, we're talking about this class in general. But whatever as if it's any point talkin on the forums, devs dont read it and just ignorant posts. I already ran out of energy trying to ty.......

Mr_Nobody

Lyzaaa wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Lyzaaa wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Because your class has a ton of utility, including various types of tankyness, self heals and most importantly - massive CC which synergize perfectly with your mediocre damaging abilities. Not sure if a troll post though, but the line "Yes even Templars have better damage output than DK's " made me smile. I would trade talons/fossilize for the entire Dawns wrath or Aedric spear line.

The buffs u mention is like.. dayum NB's get those for free on a passive. CC? Fear. Not to mention gapcloser.

Honestly, you could max out ur dmg , run in light etc, but u'd be forced to run 1h/shield for the gapcloser.. And u'd still get easily outdpsed by a sorc or anything.. while being a squishy .. in melee range... with no escapes.

Much use of utility if u cant escape..

If anything.. DK out of all classes makes me feel like an empty husk.. using anything but class skills nearly.. Theres some good skills but they almost always have better alternatives.And in an overall DK class skills are lacking sooo much

You must be playing ur DK wrong. DK is not squishy, considering if ure magicka one, also you got endless spammable CC options. You can brag how much you want, but i can assure you, Solo/Smallman PvP wise, any templar would trade 1 or even 2 entire class skill trees just for the CC DKs have. Stop complaining about a class which is perfectly fine in comparison to others.

~ "Much use of utility if u cant escape..." ~ If you want escape tools - roll a vamp. That way you could spam talons/fossilize in between mists and run away from numbers. Whereas I am spamming BoL with 10 idiots still chasing me for X amount of time till they either give up or I still get CCd by the amazing ability called Talons and die.

I guess you havent met Skaffa in a field, that guy is a beast magicka DK.

We're not talking about how well a certain person can roll with DK, we're talking about this class in general. But whatever as if it's any point talkin on the forums, devs dont read it and just ignorant posts. I already ran out of energy trying to ty.......

Atleast your spells are working properly, as intended and designed, no GCDs and delayed actions combined with multiple bugs. I find it funny when DKs ask for escape tools or w/e. A rough 50% of DKs i run into solo are a ***** to deal with, not because they are good or anything, but because of DKs mechanics and skills. You DKs are literally crying that you dont have an escape tool without looking what you ACTUALLY have. Whereas, all templar attempts to even ask for bug fixes end up them "working as intended" and or saying that "we have BoL, it covers it all". It pretty much does since BoL, purify and jesus beam are basically the only class spells used by an average templar. I wonder how many spells does a magicka DK use out of his class trees. 7-8 out of 10(2) slottable?

noobfury

Yeah guys , this isn't a troll post . I love my DK and they have a lot of benefits but I really feel like we've been denied even one class skill that does any significant amount of damage compared to other classes.

I know how to use 2 H stamina build etc but this discussion is really about the CLASS skills in particular. Currently a whip user myself after testing every skill . I also use petrify . CC is great but it does not equal dps.

Incidentally , some of the toughest players I've fought have been Temps using spear . Or we can talk about being hit by 20 -25 k RD if you like since I get killed by that skill on a daily basis.

This isn't about nerfs or anyone being OP or anything , I just wondered if anyone thought DK's might be coming up a little short in the damage department.

Etaniel

Tbh dk is fine. It's the others that aren't. We have nothing to envy from templars, except that stupid jesus beam. God is it stupid. I'm ok with doing low damage with my whip (3-4k on average and spammable) but i'm not ok with other classes or just plain weapon skill lines pulling off 12k+ dmg. Plain stupid imo, no one should be able to do that much dmg, unless he specs heavily into it AND there are big drawbacks

Mr_Nobody

noobfury wrote: »

Yeah guys , this isn't a troll post . I love my DK and they have a lot of benefits but I really feel like we've been denied even one class skill that does any significant amount of damage compared to other classes.

I know how to use 2 H stamina build etc but this discussion is really about the CLASS skills in particular. Currently a whip user myself after testing every skill .

Incidentally , some of the toughest players I've fought have been Temps using spear . Or we can talk about being hit by 20 -25 k RD if you like since I get killed by that skill on a daily basis.

I know right, considering we cant use 3 out of lets say 8 useable templar spells because of various bugs they cause, 5 remain, that includes RD. I manage to hit 16K+ SINGLE radiant ticks on low hp/non-nirnhorned users, considering if i preloaded it and got such tick in the end, the receiving end might see 30-40k damage done w/ a single RD on his death recap. Hooray.

Whip is an instant cast medium damage spell which goes through dodge roll same as RD, except RD starts to shine at low hp only. You can literally get jumped by multiple enemies and block-cast whip to rip them apart, whereas I would have to get into mist form and try to create some distance or stacionary heal and build up the batswarm.

Every class is different, DK is perfectly fine. Magicka Sorcs are fine. Templars need their bugs fixed. Stamina NBs are OP.

jrkhan

:ahem: molten weapons :cough cough:

Single highest hit I've taken was from *any* ability was a heavy attack from a dk.
21k. From full health. (So no execution range buff)

I'm considering rerolling dk, because of the damage potential.

You also get a champion passive that benefits this style more than any other class (+heavy attack damage from weapon type)

And you'll soon (at 360cp) get to instant restealth if you kill someone with a heavy attack.

So, pick up a fire staff if you're magika, a bow/2h/dw if your stamina, and start two shotting people.

Just think about it this way, every other class weaves a relatively weak light/medium attack with a hard hitting ability, you just do the opposite.

I should really run the numbers on this to see just how high heavy attack damage will go.

On top of that, you get a minor weapon damage buff (that no one else has) from using any skill in one of your lines..

Just because you don't have a high direct damage ability, doesn't mean you can't burst people down if properly geared.

Gargragrond

jrkhan wrote: »

I'm considering rerolling dk, because of the damage potential.

I hope you won't be disappointed.

On top of that, you get a minor weapon damage buff (that no one else has) from using any skill in one of your lines..

As of 2 patches ago, you don't.

caeliusstarbreaker

Flame lash*CC(no escape^2)+sword and board/tripot cooldown= Molon Labe

Edited for accuracy