Azura Star EU

Leandor

Sanct16 wrote: »

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

Just gonna say that after guesting for a little bit on Azura i can fully understand why you have latency issues. There is so many guildgroups running on that campaign for it to be playable. I mean just yesterday i saw 3 diffrent DC raids there. Adding two EP raids and two AD raids... yeah goodluck playing there in primetime

You forgot to mention that those 3 dc raids tend to go to the same place.

I have to add to this that two out of the three dc raids are mostly ok but one of them is really bad.

Cogo

Was at a midsummer party this evening. What did I miss? (Pact side)

DaoFeiLung

I wonder if it s fun to lagwin? Can one of the yellows who stack aoe before every fight, without even trying to attack us before the ping goes crazy explain it to me?

Beesting

DaoFeiLung wrote: »

I wonder if it s fun to lagwin? Can one of the yellows who stack aoe before every fight, without even trying to attack us before the ping goes crazy explain it to me?

I have been playing for ad all evening and i had no lag, where did you see ad do this? Maybe you saw purge before running into keep, that is for the oil.

Anyway, oswolf and his mates waited untill 2 am and took the emp keeps and the scrolls. I left them to it and went to thorn where there was a great fight against ep at alessia, just zerg against zerg

There is no winning in azura pvp with nightcappers running a full bombsquad against 5 ad, but they seem to enjoy doing it

Lava_Croft

Beesting wrote: »

DaoFeiLung wrote: »

I wonder if it s fun to lagwin? Can one of the yellows who stack aoe before every fight, without even trying to attack us before the ping goes crazy explain it to me?

I have been playing for ad all evening and i had no lag, where did you see ad do this? Maybe you saw purge before running into keep, that is for the oil.

Anyway, oswolf and his mates waited untill 2 am and took the emp keeps and the scrolls. I left them to it and went to thorn where there was a great fight against ep at alessia, just zerg against zerg

There is no winning in azura pvp with nightcappers running a full bombsquad against 5 ad, but they seem to enjoy doing it

They left Thornblade because of EP nightcapping against a few enemies, only to go to Azura's Star and do the exact same thing they fled from?

Yeah, that sounds exactly like the EU-DC everybody knows!

Etaniel

Lava_Croft wrote: »

They left Thornblade because of EP nightcapping against a few enemies, only to go to Azura's Star and do the exact same thing they fled from?

Yeah, that sounds exactly like DA everybody knows!

fixed that for you

Leandor

Actually, it is usually yellow who does this. On weekends, if the TB herds are back on their home campaign, blue comes out with guns blazing and does the same, but anyways. I can't wait to see the campaign hopping gone and Brian's changes implemented.

On another note, I got accused of cheating yesterday by a grand overlord! I finally have the confirmation that I am at least a half-decent player

(He apologized later and we separated on good terms, but nonetheless, it is reassuring)

DaoFeiLung

Beesting wrote: »

DaoFeiLung wrote: »

I wonder if it s fun to lagwin? Can one of the yellows who stack aoe before every fight, without even trying to attack us before the ping goes crazy explain it to me?

I have been playing for ad all evening and i had no lag, where did you see ad do this? Maybe you saw purge before running into keep, that is for the oil.

Anyway, oswolf and his mates waited untill 2 am and took the emp keeps and the scrolls. I left them to it and went to thorn where there was a great fight against ep at alessia, just zerg against zerg

There is no winning in azura pvp with nightcappers running a full bombsquad against 5 ad, but they seem to enjoy doing it

It was between Ash and Nikel if i'm not mistaken, no it wasn t purge. Half our team crashed, by the time I was able to come back, ash was yellow...

We've noticed lag almost always against the same group, and i've seen them at least three times step back from a fight, stack on 1m² and spam healing springs and pulsar, without attacking anyone.

No lag yesterday? After that maybe, because we decided to not even attack AD. Just after this fight we had a 80vs 80 fight against EP where we had just fps drop, so when you mostly play to have fun and not to "win the map", it was a no brainer: we stay around chalman to play without lag, let AD do what they want.

I fought you many times Beesting ( actually I think you're at the top of my kill counter, but I must be as well in yours ), and I'm sorry for you as you seem to be a fair player, but we will ignore AD as long as there is this much lagsploiters on your side.

These last days, fights against AD were reaaly painful, it was often either lagzergs, or very "skilled" NB ( 4 "invisible" WB or 3 lethal arrow in less than a sec, really?). Call me a whiner, a noob, tell me this is a L2P issue if you want, but we're really tired of these "fights".

To be fair, one of the blue groups seems to do the same, we told them to stop, but I don't think they will listen

About the nightcap: I think last week there have been 2 blue nightcaps and 2 yellow morning caps...so mostly it's EP who should complain here. I agree the DA nightcap is not very fun, but remember yesterday we were fighting around warden or rayles until 4 or 5pm because of the AD morning cap.

Leandor

DaoFeiLung wrote: »

...or very "skilled" NB ( 4 "invisible" WB or 3 lethal arrow in less than a sec, really?). Call me a whiner, a noob, tell me this is a L2P issue if you want, but we're really tired of these "fights".

Ehehehe, I know exactly the "dood" that you are referring to and the other two or three with him. That group and the "dead cat in a box" guy really get on your nerves quite thoroughly.

Do not forget your detection pots, kids, the path is dangerous to walk nowadays.

Beesting

DaoFeiLung wrote: »

Beesting wrote: »

DaoFeiLung wrote: »

I wonder if it s fun to lagwin? Can one of the yellows who stack aoe before every fight, without even trying to attack us before the ping goes crazy explain it to me?

I have been playing for ad all evening and i had no lag, where did you see ad do this? Maybe you saw purge before running into keep, that is for the oil.

Anyway, oswolf and his mates waited untill 2 am and took the emp keeps and the scrolls. I left them to it and went to thorn where there was a great fight against ep at alessia, just zerg against zerg

There is no winning in azura pvp with nightcappers running a full bombsquad against 5 ad, but they seem to enjoy doing it

I fought you many times Beesting ( actually I think you're at the top of my kill counter, but I must be as well in yours ), and I'm sorry for you as you seem to be a fair player, but we will ignore AD as long as there is this much lagsploiters on your side.

Have a look, my friend. As you can see i focus mainly on blue side as they pose the greatest challenge on the 4 campains i have been on since i started pvp.. My first was a exile dominated chillrend, then i joined swat and am on my third azura campain now.
As a magica dk i am slowly learning my playstyle, since i cannot bolt escape or vanish or tank, i often find myself suddenly alone and overrun by a horde, but i am dying less often now, when i am running solo i try to stay in the backline (of the ad zerg) and crushing shock the ones that are almost dead or too cocky. If i am running with swat i do what the leader thinks is best, which sometimes leads to a wipe, but that's part of the game, as we are training new leaders

And as to lagsploiting, i dont know anything about this, i will keep my eyes open though.

DaoFeiLung

All my friends are on your list, you bad guy!

I'm only the15th on your list , Kaze Drakho, magicka NB that I'm far far from playing well, hope one day I will master this playstyle, and my main is a stam DK , Akhora Drakho, easier to play ( and harder to kill, even if I die often too).

Lava_Croft

Etaniel wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

They left Thornblade because of EP nightcapping against a few enemies, only to go to Azura's Star and do the exact same thing they fled from?

Yeah, that sounds exactly like DA everybody knows!

fixed that for you

Another great example of DC Double Standards!

Etaniel

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

They left Thornblade because of EP nightcapping against a few enemies, only to go to Azura's Star and do the exact same thing they fled from?

Yeah, that sounds exactly like DA everybody knows!

fixed that for you

Another great example of DC Double Standards!

Erm you do know it's a DC guild right?

Lava_Croft

Etaniel wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

They left Thornblade because of EP nightcapping against a few enemies, only to go to Azura's Star and do the exact same thing they fled from?

Yeah, that sounds exactly like DA everybody knows!

fixed that for you

Another great example of DC Double Standards!

Erm you do know it's a DC guild right?

EP is treated as a single entity, but when it comes to DC I suddenly have to differentiate between guilds?

Yeah...

Etaniel

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

They left Thornblade because of EP nightcapping against a few enemies, only to go to Azura's Star and do the exact same thing they fled from?

Yeah, that sounds exactly like DA everybody knows!

fixed that for you

Another great example of DC Double Standards!

Erm you do know it's a DC guild right?

EP is treated as a single entity, but when it comes to DC I suddenly have to differentiate between guilds?

Yeah...

So you're saying one entire faction left thornblade to go nightcap on Azura then, ok.

Stop kidding yourself, EP IS a single identity Which is why you usually find them at one keep and one keep only at a time

Lava_Croft

Etaniel wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

They left Thornblade because of EP nightcapping against a few enemies, only to go to Azura's Star and do the exact same thing they fled from?

Yeah, that sounds exactly like DA everybody knows!

fixed that for you

Another great example of DC Double Standards!

Erm you do know it's a DC guild right?

EP is treated as a single entity, but when it comes to DC I suddenly have to differentiate between guilds?

Yeah...

So you're saying one entire faction left thornblade to go nightcap on Azura then, ok.

Stop kidding yourself, EP IS a single identity Which is why you usually find them at one keep and one keep only at a time

Hence: Double standards! So easy once you accept it.

ToRelax

Etaniel wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

They left Thornblade because of EP nightcapping against a few enemies, only to go to Azura's Star and do the exact same thing they fled from?

Yeah, that sounds exactly like DA everybody knows!

fixed that for you

Another great example of DC Double Standards!

Erm you do know it's a DC guild right?

EP is treated as a single entity, but when it comes to DC I suddenly have to differentiate between guilds?

Yeah...

So you're saying one entire faction left thornblade to go nightcap on Azura then, ok.

Stop kidding yourself, EP IS a single identity Which is why you usually find them at one keep and one keep only at a time

If that was true, he would already know and is just trolling you.

Leandor

Thank you AD and DC for a night of healthy laughs today.

Cogo

So, who's gonna take the victory this month. Yellows or Blue?

DaoFeiLung

Blue because yellows leave the map when they're not outnumbering us 2 to 1.

Beesting

DaoFeiLung wrote: »

Blue because yellows leave the map when they're not outnumbering us 2 to 1.

And it is well deserved! We can still have some good fights though

alaiham2002

You should check chill rend it changes every 12 hours or so one time this week we in EP were winning with 17 keeps then we changed to 1-3 keeps only. But well, as they say "every dog has its day" this is life and you can't change it.

Kh0ll

Beesting wrote: »

And it is well deserved! We can still have some good fights though

if vou go away when the blue bars more than 2 it will be complicated ....
Azura is not fun right now, either full blue or full red or full yellow...
Note that the red and blue repaint the map during the prime time and yellow do when it is empty of resistance ... like now ...

DaoFeiLung

*yawns*

yellow zerg 24/7, this campaign is so boring right now.

Etaniel

The yellow emp group yesterday was pretty lame.

Beesting

Etaniel wrote: »

The yellow emp group yesterday was pretty lame.

It is always interesting to read comments from other factions. If you are referring to Baumlaus, who is a member of Lux Dei (a small group of very good german players with blue disquises) , i know he came online after 9 pm when EP had managed to collect 70 -100 players and Karisha's raid was basically unstoppable. I saw him at Arrius and after that i lost track of him.

It is always funny how during the day AD pve players cap keeps and scrolls while dc and ep pvp players hang out on thorn, and before primetime (between 6 pm and 8:30 pm) the blue pop is low, red is medium, so we ad players mess around between farragut farm and arrius mine. (I normally log on at 7 pm after work)

Then people start to come online and big raids come over from thorn to wreck ad and ad loses the whole map in like 2 hours.
They all attack AD, which is logical because we often have scrolls and keeps.

The people that are wearing red disquises are swat members, but 90 % of those are people swat picked up over the last 2 months, they just dont have the experience that raidmembers of DA or Exile have. Luckely we have 4 people leading raids now, with mixed succes. Most longtime swat members are taking a break from eso.

I was online untill 2 am last night, running solo most of the time, but in swat ts to keep up to date with what was happening.
What surprised me was the sheer amount of players on azura at that time, it must have been hundreds still, big raids of DC and EP consisting of people that mainly play on thorn.

It was very hectic and chaotic, because we have not many organised guilds on ad side, and we dont coordinate. We have uhot that runs trains a few times a week, but only 2 -3 hours. After 11 pm it is finished. I joined them a few times to learn and observe.
We have lux dei, they mainly do their own thing (that yields most ap mainly, sometimes defend keeps and stuff)
Swat and especially Jackman are people that really care about their home campain, they sacrifice a lot of AP and time defending keeps against overwelming numbers, often untill deep into the night. But we often lack the numbers to really turn the tide, especially when fighting on two fronts.

So when you say the group was pretty lame i dont know what you mean. maybe that they tried to defend and wiped all the time ?

I find bombgroups that run around farming players without any interest in keeps or campain scores lame, i rather play the game as it was designed, but i guess with the upcoming changes to pvp a lot of what we saw last night will be a thing of the past.

Just ap as a reason to pvp is not enough imho, the gameplay of mindless zergs running into each other gets old fast. Things like trying to win a campain at least keeps me logging back in to try and make a difference.

piece out

Leandor

@Beesting please don't try to spin things. I came online yesterday at half past 7 pm. Pop indicators where medium red/blue, locked yellow. It's this picture every single day.

Both, blue and red, struggle to get a foothold against gatecamping yellow zergs of 20 to 40 players, sometimes even more. As an example, take a resource at Arrius. We took mine with 8 people, proceeded to shoot at the walls and not 20 seconds later, Baumlaus' zerg was there, at least a full raid, plus probably some tag-alongs.

Around 8 to 9pm, where at some days Necrotic Lag (who are mostly homed on Azura nowadays) comes to play, reds get their home keeps back, usually including bleakers and sejanus as well as alessia. A little later, blue comes out with trains and attack chalman until they have it. They leave yellows in peace mostly, probably because if the blue zerg and the yellow zerg clash, the server craps its pants.

Of course (yesterday again being a prime example), sometimes all blues and all reds meet up at aleswell (or chalamo) to produce a gigantic cluster-thing of lag-gazm. All sides have zergs.

In the end, it's either yellow or blue, though in the last couple of weeks usually yellow, that retain their locked population until after midnight and then proceed to take over the map against two other factions with at most medium population.

That is the reality of Azura EU. No matter how you spin it.

Yes, around 8pm all factions are full or locked and that lasts until midnight. Yes, sometimes yellows disappear at some point, leaving red and blue to dunk it out, but rest assured that yellow will be back around midnight or 1am to take the map and the scrolls.

Beesting

@Leandor i can see what you write is true, written from a different perspective. I was not trying to spin, more trying to explain the situation from my point of view and trying to find out what @Etaniel meant with "lame"

what i personally find lame is 40 ad running around at farragut farming EP, but when it is the only thing to do, it attracks players like bees to honey.....So when i log in and see a battle marker on the map, of course i run to arrius mine to check it out. But secretly i always think "good for you" when EP takes Arrius back. Just like i would like to take Faregyl when the whole map is blue after DA nightcapped the whole map, that also happened many times on azura.

I guess your assesment of blue leaving yellows alone is something i have not noticed, as we are often desperately trying to hold back very good dc players attacking nikel and roebeck. Brindle is often lost in minutes and then the worry about scrolls causes us to leave EP alone and defend against DC.

thank you for your point of view.

Leandor

Yes EP pop usually picks up earlier than DC, but sadly that is mostly unorganized people. Of course that brings yellows to the red gates (or farragut, if we have it). I have had some fun fights repelling the yellow horde at farragut farm, but you could at least have the decency to come and fight behind the gates then to at least give us the temple def ticks.

The brindle thing usually happens if yellows drop down to medium during prime time if it doesn't go too well or if blue decides to take advantage of a red/yellow lockdown between arrius and farra.

Fact remains that yellow have largest "low-time" population and have had it for the last 10 days at least. Log in sometime between 4 and 6 and the map is always completely yellow with gate battles at both blue and red gates. That does not paint too nice a picture of AD right now.

And, honestly, I have never encountered Baumlaus in a "small group situation". They may be good players, but they come in masses as do all others as well. A full raid is not small group play.

I am sure we (EP) have our share of "quantity over quality" groups, running in zergs of up to three full raids, producing as much hassle and aggravation as the yellows. I do not want to make one side the sole culprit.

Etaniel

@Beesting What I meant by lame is an emp group requiring 24 members and who consistantly try-hard smaller groups and tea-bag them. (small groups being 4-5) All factions have those lame groups, yesterday it was that particular yellow group.

Of course all members in that group don't necessarily tea-bag or whatever, but the few that do leave a negative image for the rest of the group.

I would excpect to see a 24 man group with emp at a busy, last emp keep under heavy siege by 40+ players or something. Not roaming like they were against gankers and small groups.

Then again it's my view on things, maybe from their perspective it didn't seem like they were going against smaller targets.. who am I to judge