Combat compared to WoW

eternalsnows

I decided to come back to ESO after playing WoW for a little bit earlier this month. Man, combat is so incredibly different. In WoW you basically just stand in one spot and go through your rotation as many times as it takes for the enemy to fall over. In ESO you have to plan ahead, dodge attacks, and block and interrupt as necessary. I died like 5 times in a row today simply because I was stuck in the stand-still-and-mash-1-2-3 mentality. Honestly, WoW is such a mindless time sink (but a fun one)... ESO actually requires some mental focus!

TheShadowScout

I never played WoW, but I know the "stand your ground and go through your rotation" style from other games. And after experiencing ESO... I never ever want to play that "stand and deliver" style again.

eternalsnows wrote: »

In ESO you have to plan ahead, dodge attacks, and block and interrupt as necessary.

...and that's what I love about it sooo much!

Not just mindlessly clicking a rotation through a dozend skills or more, but instead thinking on your feet, planning to make the most of your limited action slots, moving around to get an advantage in combat, weaving your attacks together for more effect, paying attention to what your opponent does to block, dodge or interrupt at the right times...

This is where the fun is, for me anyhow!

Furian

Since I came back after the vet fix, I found the combat the key thing that keeps me interested. It's fun.... however, at VR10, after using the same skills, I'm finding myself getting bored and wanting to go back to my NB, or try new builds....but that's a good thing... at least I have options!

Earelith

I see wow as a guitar hero game. You install an addon and then you press the button you see on screen as fast as possible...on the other hand action combat that relies solely on dodging and kiting is boring as well..

For example in GW2 there wasnt a tank and everyone had to dodge every few seconds and running in circles..ESO and Tera have the combat better. Is action combat that dont rely just on dodging but you also have blocking and healing and leech abilities..

So you can have your preferred playstyle...you can play with kiting, or stamina build with lot of dodging, or heavy armor buuid with lot of blocking..

Emma_Overload

This is why players like me get so upset when people ask ZoS to slow down ESO's combat so that it plays like some turn-based game where you stare at spinning cooldown timers all day.

Ommamar

I noticed this when I was playing STWTOR the other day. Combat seemed so clunky after the flow of ESO. At the behest of a friend I loaded up DC Universe, still on the fence about it but one thought I had was how awesome it would of been if they had used that engine for ESO. It allows for such freedom of movement that it would of allowed for a better implementation of the TES universe.

eternalsnows

Earelith wrote: »

I see wow as a guitar hero game. You install an addon and then you press the button you see on screen as fast as possible.

Haha, so true!

idk

eternalsnows wrote: »

I decided to come back to ESO after playing WoW for a little bit earlier this month. Man, combat is so incredibly different. In WoW you basically just stand in one spot and go through your rotation as many times as it takes for the enemy to fall over. In ESO you have to plan ahead, dodge attacks, and block and interrupt as necessary. I died like 5 times in a row today simply because I was stuck in the stand-still-and-mash-1-2-3 mentality. Honestly, WoW is such a mindless time sink (but a fun one)... ESO actually requires some mental focus!

Yes, ESO combat/healing style is what interested me most. While I liked Skyrim and such, it is not the reason I stuck this game out, after all this is a MMO so I expect it to not be like the previous games. I especially like that I when I heal I can also do real DPS and be able to merely change bars and I have a completely separate build.

MMOs are starting to get away from the turret style combat. Even SWTOR has changed their combat. The Sage/Sorc healer has better mobility now than anything else in the game where it used to not be able to move at all and heal (except one heal).

When I started I was concerned about having only 6 skills on a bar but really, that is all that is needed. I came to realize that with 12 total skills that is more than what I use in any other game. The remaining skills are just one offs.

PBpsy

Although I prefer ESO combat there are some aspect of the cool down bar gameplay that are niceand interesting in their way.The most important is long combos. In those games you may have a sequence to get in order to arrive a good effect. In ESO there are only a handful of skills that synergies with and empower the flowing skills. I would really like to see a game that has the fluidity of ESO with some more complex skill combination possibilities. As it is ESO combat can be reduced to Weave X+H/L, apply dot 1,2,3 ,Weave X+H/L, apply dot 1,2,3 small variation Weave X+H/L....

Julianos

eternalsnows wrote: »

I decided to come back to ESO after playing WoW for a little bit earlier this month. Man, combat is so incredibly different. In WoW you basically just stand in one spot and go through your rotation as many times as it takes for the enemy to fall over. In ESO you have to plan ahead, dodge attacks, and block and interrupt as necessary. I died like 5 times in a row today simply because I was stuck in the stand-still-and-mash-1-2-3 mentality. Honestly, WoW is such a mindless time sink (but a fun one)... ESO actually requires some mental focus!

I played wow for 7 years and it wasnt so easy always. It become child play after the mist of the pandaria expansion. Have you tried lich king heroic on early level 80 or Black Temple at level 70 or The Sunwell ?You wouldnt just stand and do your rotation. And those times was legandary and most fun. And WOW is the best mmo ever created because it was so fun and challenging once upon a time. WOW carried the mmos to the next level well thats my opinion. RESPECT !

Julianos

TheShadowScout wrote: »

I never played WoW, but I know the "stand your ground and go through your rotation" style from other games. And after experiencing ESO... I never ever want to play that "stand and deliver" style again.

eternalsnows wrote: »

In ESO you have to plan ahead, dodge attacks, and block and interrupt as necessary.

...and that's what I love about it sooo much!

Not just mindlessly clicking a rotation through a dozend skills or more, but instead thinking on your feet, planning to make the most of your limited action slots, moving around to get an advantage in combat, weaving your attacks together for more effect, paying attention to what your opponent does to block, dodge or interrupt at the right times...

This is where the fun is, for me anyhow!

same things exist in wow especially in PVP and arena

bertenburnyb16_ESO

Axorn wrote: »

eternalsnows wrote: »

I decided to come back to ESO after playing WoW for a little bit earlier this month. Man, combat is so incredibly different. In WoW you basically just stand in one spot and go through your rotation as many times as it takes for the enemy to fall over. In ESO you have to plan ahead, dodge attacks, and block and interrupt as necessary. I died like 5 times in a row today simply because I was stuck in the stand-still-and-mash-1-2-3 mentality. Honestly, WoW is such a mindless time sink (but a fun one)... ESO actually requires some mental focus!

I played wow for 7 years and it wasnt so easy always. It become child play after the mist of the pandaria expansion. Have you tried lich king heroic on early level 80 or Black Temple at level 70 or The Sunwell ?You wouldnt just stand and do your rotation. And those times was legandary and most fun. And WOW is the best mmo ever created because it was so fun and challenging once upon a time. WOW carried the mmos to the next level well thats my opinion. RESPECT !

Well I find eso is on the same path, u played vet lvls before they were nerfed? I loved it, was a challenge taking on 3 enemys, then nerf happened, now its just aggro as much mobs as possible and spam aoe until all dead, repeat, Such a shame

eternalsnows

I'm a totally casual WoW player so I'm sure there are plenty of more challenging aspects to the game that I haven't explored. Still, I managed to play one character for 130+ hours to level 90 and standing still and hitting combinations of keys 1-9 (1-5 really) worked fine the whole time. I'm playing a priest now (she's up to 30) and it's the same deal. Being the healer in dungeons is super simple too: just stand back and cast PW: S and Flash Heal occasionally. I know it gets more complicated later on, but I honestly can't think of any part of ESO that I could breeze through in similar fashion.

RSram

I agree that ESO has the best combat of any MMORPG so far, but I would like to see three additional concepts added to the ESO combat:

1) Aiming: Once you press the attack button your attack hits the point at where you are aiming. This is already used in some of the AOE attacks, but I'd like to see it in the ranged attacks. This would make combat more challenging where not just skill rotation, but dexterity would also be important in combat. I don't know of any MMORPG that does this, but MMO such as Battlefield 4 and Call of Duty have successfully implemented this. Yes there is latency, but the games previously mentioned don't seem to have a problem with this.

2) Directional Attacks: Your blocks have a higher mitigation when blocking in the direction of the attack.

3) Collisions: In the combat areas of Cryodiil, I like to see friendly player collisions which would limit the effectiveness of zerging and make combat calculations more manageable for the server.

This is just my wish list nothing more.

RazzPitazz

Axorn wrote: »

eternalsnows wrote: »

I decided to come back to ESO after playing WoW for a little bit earlier this month. Man, combat is so incredibly different. In WoW you basically just stand in one spot and go through your rotation as many times as it takes for the enemy to fall over. In ESO you have to plan ahead, dodge attacks, and block and interrupt as necessary. I died like 5 times in a row today simply because I was stuck in the stand-still-and-mash-1-2-3 mentality. Honestly, WoW is such a mindless time sink (but a fun one)... ESO actually requires some mental focus!

I played wow for 7 years and it wasnt so easy always. It become child play after the mist of the pandaria expansion. Have you tried lich king heroic on early level 80 or Black Temple at level 70 or The Sunwell ?You wouldnt just stand and do your rotation. And those times was legandary and most fun. And WOW is the best mmo ever created because it was so fun and challenging once upon a time. WOW carried the mmos to the next level well thats my opinion. RESPECT !

I will give credit where it is due and WoW was the literal game changer. However they have dropped their standards in light of the "monetized era" and as such is practically begging to be stripped of its crown. No disrespect at all.

Elsonso

Axorn wrote: »

eternalsnows wrote: »

I decided to come back to ESO after playing WoW for a little bit earlier this month. Man, combat is so incredibly different. In WoW you basically just stand in one spot and go through your rotation as many times as it takes for the enemy to fall over. In ESO you have to plan ahead, dodge attacks, and block and interrupt as necessary. I died like 5 times in a row today simply because I was stuck in the stand-still-and-mash-1-2-3 mentality. Honestly, WoW is such a mindless time sink (but a fun one)... ESO actually requires some mental focus!

I played wow for 7 years and it wasnt so easy always. It become child play after the mist of the pandaria expansion. Have you tried lich king heroic on early level 80 or Black Temple at level 70 or The Sunwell ?You wouldnt just stand and do your rotation. And those times was legandary and most fun. And WOW is the best mmo ever created because it was so fun and challenging once upon a time. WOW carried the mmos to the next level well thats my opinion. RESPECT !

No, WoW was well on its way before Pandaria.

Heromofo

Axorn wrote: »

eternalsnows wrote: »

I decided to come back to ESO after playing WoW for a little bit earlier this month. Man, combat is so incredibly different. In WoW you basically just stand in one spot and go through your rotation as many times as it takes for the enemy to fall over. In ESO you have to plan ahead, dodge attacks, and block and interrupt as necessary. I died like 5 times in a row today simply because I was stuck in the stand-still-and-mash-1-2-3 mentality. Honestly, WoW is such a mindless time sink (but a fun one)... ESO actually requires some mental focus!

I played wow for 7 years and it wasnt so easy always. It become child play after the mist of the pandaria expansion. Have you tried lich king heroic on early level 80 or Black Temple at level 70 or The Sunwell ?You wouldnt just stand and do your rotation. And those times was legandary and most fun. And WOW is the best mmo ever created because it was so fun and challenging once upon a time. WOW carried the mmos to the next level well thats my opinion. RESPECT !

Yes after herioc lk it started to fall to bits they started to give too many buffs for it as well then cata just killed it for me as it became a joke but lks fight is a 7 minute intense fight where one screw up like people stepping in the dang black crap could wipe you all and least we forget sindgosa or w/e the dragons name was man people ice blocking to close to each other and all the steps we had to learn. Spending weeks to get it right and when your group passed it that pride you felt and as your guildies send out the congrats and then the 20 minute break.

You wore your title with pride

Julianos

Heromofo wrote: »

Axorn wrote: »

eternalsnows wrote: »

I decided to come back to ESO after playing WoW for a little bit earlier this month. Man, combat is so incredibly different. In WoW you basically just stand in one spot and go through your rotation as many times as it takes for the enemy to fall over. In ESO you have to plan ahead, dodge attacks, and block and interrupt as necessary. I died like 5 times in a row today simply because I was stuck in the stand-still-and-mash-1-2-3 mentality. Honestly, WoW is such a mindless time sink (but a fun one)... ESO actually requires some mental focus!

I played wow for 7 years and it wasnt so easy always. It become child play after the mist of the pandaria expansion. Have you tried lich king heroic on early level 80 or Black Temple at level 70 or The Sunwell ?You wouldnt just stand and do your rotation. And those times was legandary and most fun. And WOW is the best mmo ever created because it was so fun and challenging once upon a time. WOW carried the mmos to the next level well thats my opinion. RESPECT !

Yes after herioc lk it started to fall to bits they started to give too many buffs for it as well then cata just killed it for me as it became a joke but lks fight is a 7 minute intense fight where one screw up like people stepping in the dang black crap could wipe you all and least we forget sindgosa or w/e the dragons name was man people ice blocking to close to each other and all the steps we had to learn. Spending weeks to get it right and when your group passed it that pride you felt and as your guildies send out the congrats and then the 20 minute break.

You wore your title with pride

exactly that dragon's name was Sindragosa

Heromofo

Axorn wrote: »

Heromofo wrote: »

Axorn wrote: »

eternalsnows wrote: »

I decided to come back to ESO after playing WoW for a little bit earlier this month. Man, combat is so incredibly different. In WoW you basically just stand in one spot and go through your rotation as many times as it takes for the enemy to fall over. In ESO you have to plan ahead, dodge attacks, and block and interrupt as necessary. I died like 5 times in a row today simply because I was stuck in the stand-still-and-mash-1-2-3 mentality. Honestly, WoW is such a mindless time sink (but a fun one)... ESO actually requires some mental focus!

I played wow for 7 years and it wasnt so easy always. It become child play after the mist of the pandaria expansion. Have you tried lich king heroic on early level 80 or Black Temple at level 70 or The Sunwell ?You wouldnt just stand and do your rotation. And those times was legandary and most fun. And WOW is the best mmo ever created because it was so fun and challenging once upon a time. WOW carried the mmos to the next level well thats my opinion. RESPECT !

Yes after herioc lk it started to fall to bits they started to give too many buffs for it as well then cata just killed it for me as it became a joke but lks fight is a 7 minute intense fight where one screw up like people stepping in the dang black crap could wipe you all and least we forget sindgosa or w/e the dragons name was man people ice blocking to close to each other and all the steps we had to learn. Spending weeks to get it right and when your group passed it that pride you felt and as your guildies send out the congrats and then the 20 minute break.

You wore your title with pride

exactly that dragon's name was Sindragosa

Thats the one i still remember my first time i was a resto shammy and i was a good healer for the guild been with them since vanilla wow. I was actually scared to do this fight we had a few leads on what to expect but i was still worried and i miss that feeling from fights. But then came along cataclysm the fights were just well toned down and boring of course there were wipes now and then but that fear was not there.

Edit: I stopped at cata after seeing what mop was all about.

Varicite

Wrath of the Lich King was easymode too... <.<

I'd say Sunwell was probably WoW's last hurrah when it comes to any sort of actual difficulty.