In preparation for Arena PvP and Duels

BugCollector

1. Sorcerer

- Ball of Lightning: drastically decrease the radius of the absorbing orbs
- Overload: decrease the amount of damage it does

2. Dragonknight

- Talons: a player shouldn't be able to snare the opponent over and over again. Do something about this.
- Reflective Scales: make it so it's only able to reflect one projectile, but decrease the magicka cost drastically.

3. Nightblade

- Fear: Make it blockable
- Grim Focus: decrease the amount of light attacks it takes to 5 instead of 7.

4. Templar

I refer to this thread: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/161959/templar-skills-bugged-made-useless-ignored#latest

Garion

Arena and duels?

HAHAHAHA

Jaxsun

They have not said one way or the other about the possibility of instanced pvp...

BugCollector

Garion wrote: »

Arena and duels?

HAHAHAHA

Yeah, we probably won't get them, but that doesn't mean I have to stop pushing Zenimax for it.

Nivzruo_ESO

Obvious Templar is obvious.

BugCollector

Nivzruo_ESO wrote: »

Obvious Templar is obvious.

I'm being objective here.

kkravaritieb17_ESO

This thread is hilarious just like the other 2 you started.

BugCollector

kkravaritieb17_ESO wrote: »

This thread is hilarious just like the other 2 you started.

I'm glad you're having fun, but I'm dead serious. Feel free to post your own suggestions.

crowfl56

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kkravaritieb17_ESO

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BugCollector

kkravaritieb17_ESO wrote: »

Keep dreaming...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Be supportive and post your own suggestions.

Araxleon

BugCollector wrote: »

1. Sorcerer

- Ball of Lightning: drastically decrease the radius of the absorbing orbs
- Overload: decrease the amount of damage it does

2. Dragonknight

- Talons: a player shouldn't be able to snare the opponent over and over again. Do something about this.
- Reflective Scales: make it so it's only able to reflect one projectile, but decrease the magicka cost drastically.

3. Nightblade

- Fear: Make it blockable
- Grim Focus: decrease the amount of light attacks it takes to 5 instead of 7.

4. Templar

I refer to this thread: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/161959/templar-skills-bugged-made-useless-ignored#latest

fear should stay unblockable. Literally only the casual player suffers verse fear, you just need to manage resources.

BugCollector

Araxleon wrote: »

BugCollector wrote: »

1. Sorcerer

- Ball of Lightning: drastically decrease the radius of the absorbing orbs
- Overload: decrease the amount of damage it does

2. Dragonknight

- Talons: a player shouldn't be able to snare the opponent over and over again. Do something about this.
- Reflective Scales: make it so it's only able to reflect one projectile, but decrease the magicka cost drastically.

3. Nightblade

- Fear: Make it blockable
- Grim Focus: decrease the amount of light attacks it takes to 5 instead of 7.

4. Templar

I refer to this thread: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/161959/templar-skills-bugged-made-useless-ignored#latest

fear should stay unblockable. Literally only the casual player suffers verse fear, you just need to manage resources.

Thank you for not hating on this thread, but actually contributing.

Araxleon

BugCollector wrote: »

Araxleon wrote: »

BugCollector wrote: »

1. Sorcerer

- Ball of Lightning: drastically decrease the radius of the absorbing orbs
- Overload: decrease the amount of damage it does

2. Dragonknight

- Talons: a player shouldn't be able to snare the opponent over and over again. Do something about this.
- Reflective Scales: make it so it's only able to reflect one projectile, but decrease the magicka cost drastically.

3. Nightblade

- Fear: Make it blockable
- Grim Focus: decrease the amount of light attacks it takes to 5 instead of 7.

4. Templar

I refer to this thread: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/161959/templar-skills-bugged-made-useless-ignored#latest

fear should stay unblockable. Literally only the casual player suffers verse fear, you just need to manage resources.

Thank you for not hating on this thread, but actually contributing.

I mean overall in competitive play fear should stay unblockable its one of our useful skills, I would say though maybe they could just change how long people have CC immunity in arena/duels longer CC immunity may be good

olsborg

All the unblockable skills should remain unblockable, god forbid we empower permblockbuilds even more. Personally I think every execute should be unblockable.

BugCollector

olsborg wrote: »

All the unblockable skills should remain unblockable, god forbid we empower permblockbuilds even more. Personally I think every execute should be unblockable.

Then people would cry even more about Radiant Destruction.

Drazhar14

Make fear blockable... *holds shield over your eyes so you can no longer see the enemy and pretend they are gone*

Not sure about you class changes... but I'd like to see structured PvP.

The Kvatch Arena would be a perfect location.

BugCollector

Drazhar14 wrote: »

Make fear blockable... *holds shield over your eyes so you can no longer see the enemy and pretend they are gone*

Not sure about you class changes... but I'd like to see structured PvP.

The Kvatch Arena would be a perfect location.

Yeah, I think so too.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Yay another nerf thread! Let's count the damage shall we?

1. Nerf 2 sorcerer abilities including one that has already been heavily nerfed. (No shield nerf? Color me surprised!)
2. Nerf DK talons by changing how EVERY root functions in this game, screw over PvE tanks, and nerf reflective scales even more.
3. Nerf 1 Nightblade ability (which is only extremely powerful because of unintended stunlock)and buff another.
4. Don't nerf anything templar but fix all their skills.

Wonder which class OP plays.

You know what the strongest reason AGAINST adding Duels/Arena to the game is?

It's the fear that people are going to cry to ZOS to rebalance all the classes specifically for 1v1 combat instead of AvA.

Threads like this give those people plenty of ammunition that that is exactly what will happen if ZOS adds duels to the game.

So here's a constructive suggestion so you don't think I'm "hating" and not contributing.

• Fix the bugs in classes and broken abilities before any balancing attempt. Every class, not just templar, has bugged abilities.
• The balance process should go like this Bugs>Meta>Class Balance. We have way too many severe bugs and meta issues to deal with class balance right now. Addressing Class Balance first leads to overnerf or overbuff when meta changes.
• Understand that if ZOS eventually includes duels in this game, the classes should remain balanced for AvA, not 1v1. Rebalancing for 1v1 hurts cyrodiil and is one of the main reasons people are afraid of adding duels since this has happened in other games.

Cody

fear must remain unblockable. we do not need perma blockers dominating arenas.

eliisra

Cody wrote: »

fear must remain unblockable. we do not need perma blockers dominating arenas.

How many perma blockers have you died to in 1.6?

I've died to 0. Few DK's and a rare templar/siphoner still going for it. But now they have no dps what so ever, feels more like running into PvE tanks. Partly because they're magicka users and not sorcerers. But also because you have to give up loads of dps, if you want to block more than "reactively" while also keeping enough stamina for dodge and cc-break in 1.6.

That's why I doubt they dominate. Like what would even be the point of standing there blocking doing no dmg in competitive arenas?

If we're talking casual Battlegrounds and similar PvP instances tho, than yes, you're probably right lol. Killing a perma blocker(with healers), that's holding or carrying some sort of objective, would be a pain in the butt.

Teargrants

What really need nerfing is forum nerf trolls.

Cogo

Some people seams to be immune to facts and knowledge.

Check what Paul Sage said (and later Mr Wheeler) in ESO Live. January I think it was.
About expanding the Tamriel conflict, Phase 2 of the justice system and the "still under development, Brawl" types of events where teams meet each other. He also expressed the importance of any kind of new feature expansion to add content to Tamriel and not replace everything. What types of rewards the new feature events would have, connection to the alliance war and leader board. He did suggest that the team vs team would not have any gear, gold or AP rewards to not create a new problem with balance.

In short, don't expect to be able to farm pvp ranks and emp title outside of the war conflict.

Note: "This idea is still on a development phase. ZoS gets back with more details when they have it"

There are to many places where ZoS answered about Duels and PvP arena.
" -Don't belong".

This is not my opinion, but simple facts anyone can get.
(Don't flame me if you do not like it.)

Attorneyatlawl

BugCollector wrote: »

1. Sorcerer

- Ball of Lightning: drastically decrease the radius of the absorbing orbs
- Overload: decrease the amount of damage it does

2. Dragonknight

- Talons: a player shouldn't be able to snare the opponent over and over again. Do something about this.
- Reflective Scales: make it so it's only able to reflect one projectile, but decrease the magicka cost drastically.

3. Nightblade

- Fear: Make it blockable
- Grim Focus: decrease the amount of light attacks it takes to 5 instead of 7.

4. Templar

I refer to this thread: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/161959/templar-skills-bugged-made-useless-ignored#latest

Sorc: Ball of Lightning is a small radius already, barely extending beyond the visible bubble animation. Overload is only extreme damage when built as a glass cannon and attacking an enemy that did likewise, neglecting their survivability and mitigation. Neither need changes.

Dragonknight: Talons are a "soft cc" in that they do not cause you to lose control of your character, only impacting movement. Roots and snares on every class and skill wide across the game fall into this category and soft cc does not need, or have, immunity timers. Most of these can also be cleansed from you with Purge or by dodge-rolling.

Nightblade: Fear should either break on the affected enemies taking damage, be blockable, or both, to be in-line in power and mechanics with other class-based crowd control skills. The primary function of Grim Focus and its morphs is for the 8% damage buff "Minor Berserk", and the extra high-damage ranged attack is able to be procced within 5-7 seconds of beginning combat as an extra currently. Reducing the required hits to allow the projectile to fire would not be balanced.

Templar: While a handful of outstanding issues are not yet fixed, they have been acknowledged inside the thread you linked and slated for improvement. The most important and pertinent remaining bug there now is simply being unable to act briefly after landing from a Focused Charge (or morphs) activation which is the same issue the Shield Charge (and morphs) in the One-Hand and Shield skill line, as well as "Rush" skills in the two-handed line, suffered from in the past.

qsnoopyjr

If you ask me, sorcerers need some nerfing.

I'm not going to want to fight someone who just endlessly teleports away.
same with nightblades and going stealth.
templars for sure need to get wacked hard with nerf stick.

dragonknights, there draconic leap needs buffing bad, its in a bad place right now too weak, needs to be more powerful.

Better yet, no need to nerf anyone, just make this arena super tiny. no place for sorc to run and no place for nightblade to hide. templars though, lil too tanky.

RazzPitazz

I hate to say it but this thread is simply a wish list. They have started they will not touch instances PvP and, quite frankly, I don't want them to until they are ready.
Instanced PvP requires even more balance and tweaking on a smaller level, which they simply could not handle right now.

Attorneyatlawl

olsborg wrote: »

All the unblockable skills should remain unblockable, god forbid we empower permblockbuilds even more. Personally I think every execute should be unblockable.

Continuous blocking is not sustainable for more than a few seconds against a skilled enemy player.

Cody

eliisra wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

fear must remain unblockable. we do not need perma blockers dominating arenas.

How many perma blockers have you died to in 1.6?

I've died to 0. Few DK's and a rare templar/siphoner still going for it. But now they have no dps what so ever, feels more like running into PvE tanks. Partly because they're magicka users and not sorcerers. But also because you have to give up loads of dps, if you want to block more than "reactively" while also keeping enough stamina for dodge and cc-break in 1.6.

That's why I doubt they dominate. Like what would even be the point of standing there blocking doing no dmg in competitive arenas?

If we're talking casual Battlegrounds and similar PvP instances tho, than yes, you're probably right lol. Killing a perma blocker(with healers), that's holding or carrying some sort of objective, would be a pain in the butt.

i do not want people to be able to tank while still having high DPS. perma blocking+ block casting= this situation. this was how it was in 1.5 and i do not want it going back to that dreadful state

kevlarto_ESO

I think you will be in preparation for a very long time, so when and if it happens you should be well prepared..

Cody

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

BugCollector wrote: »

1. Sorcerer

- Ball of Lightning: drastically decrease the radius of the absorbing orbs
- Overload: decrease the amount of damage it does

2. Dragonknight

- Talons: a player shouldn't be able to snare the opponent over and over again. Do something about this.
- Reflective Scales: make it so it's only able to reflect one projectile, but decrease the magicka cost drastically.

3. Nightblade

- Fear: Make it blockable
- Grim Focus: decrease the amount of light attacks it takes to 5 instead of 7.

4. Templar

I refer to this thread: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/161959/templar-skills-bugged-made-useless-ignored#latest

Sorc: Ball of Lightning is a small radius already, barely extending beyond the visible bubble animation. Overload is only extreme damage when built as a glass cannon and attacking an enemy that did likewise, neglecting their survivability and mitigation. Neither need changes.

Dragonknight: Talons are a "soft cc" in that they do not cause you to lose control of your character, only impacting movement. Roots and snares on every class and skill wide across the game fall into this category and soft cc does not need, or have, immunity timers. Most of these can also be cleansed from you with Purge or by dodge-rolling.

Nightblade: Fear should either break on the affected enemies taking damage, be blockable, or both, to be in-line in power and mechanics with other class-based crowd control skills. The primary function of Grim Focus and its morphs is for the 8% damage buff "Minor Berserk", and the extra high-damage ranged attack is able to be procced within 5-7 seconds of beginning combat as an extra currently. Reducing the required hits to allow the projectile to fire would not be balanced.

Templar: While a handful of outstanding issues are not yet fixed, they have been acknowledged inside the thread you linked and slated for improvement. The most important and pertinent remaining bug there now is simply being unable to act briefly after landing from a Focused Charge (or morphs) activation which is the same issue the Shield Charge (and morphs) in the One-Hand and Shield skill line, as well as "Rush" skills in the two-handed line, suffered from in the past.

i have seen people want fear blockable, but remain a stamina drain, and i have seen people want it to break on damage.

decide please everyone:D

Farorin

BugCollector wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

Arena and duels?

HAHAHAHA

Yeah, we probably won't get them, but that doesn't mean I have to stop pushing Zenimax for it.

I say we probably will get the if we keep pushing for them, if the majority of the player base in in favour and wants small scale PVP to be included, saying no to it would be a foolish move financially. I personally think it is a matter of time, so lets all keep pushing!