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A few game suggestions + Poll

Woodoochill
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Hey,
First of all I want you guys to realize that this text is ment in "nobody would force you to do it"...

So to the topic
It would be nice to see how the game is slowly moving to the sandbox type of game... to experience ESPECIALY much more interactions between players
  • [1]Like duels... why the hell we cant duel even one year after release? it is the most basic thing in every game where players are supposed to play with each other... and no, creating a new char with different faction and going into cyrodiil with it is bull*hit(maybe not for hardcore gamers who has more than one clas in more than one faction, but for casual players? NO!)! I want to compares forces with friends Im running dungeons and play every day, creating a new char and going into cyrodiil on lvl 10 without gear and skills is not an option... well I kinda run away with it, sorry... here, take some cookies
  • [2]But why stop with that when you can make every character to be dependant on how they treat their surroundings... I mean being bad or nice guy which would, of course, affect the way how world and other players treats them back. Btw not everyone wants to be a hero... helping here and there, saving every cat on tree when someone calls you... meh
      Leading to this:
    • [3]Allowing players to kill each other, not only in cyrodiil, but all around the world, which would affect your world standing(mentioned above) and also justice system - increasing bounty... but no guards interupting your fight, ist not their bussines unless you hit some other npcs, them or your bounty grow high enough
      You kill some bad guy - you get "good" points and otherwise
    • [4]Which leads to jail system - too big bounty and being killed by guard(or bounty hunter player) would set you into prison, where you would actualy had to spend your game time(not only going offline - that time would not count into that), but of course with ways to get out, like being "rescued" by friends (fight you out or bail)
  • [5]Declare reward on someones head for whatever reason (you hate that guy or you just want to make your friend angry) which would be of course payed from your money...
  • [6]Player oriented black sacrament - not instant ofc, but guranteed target elimination
  • [7]Money - another thing - when you kill someone, you would had chance to actualy steal some percentage of his money(which he currently has, not those in bank)
  • [8]Kidnapping or stealing from offline players(which i will get to) where you as already mentioned bad guy could sell them to the highest bidder, while the victim either has to wait out forced labor for a while once they log back in or pay his or her way out of it
  • [9]Player markets - there already are guild markets I know... but it would be interesting to allow even players to open their own market almost everywhere and sell from there but they would actualy had to stand there - like im going to be afk for a next couple of minutes, lets try to sell something
  • [10]"Employing" offline players as NPCs in random jobs scattered throughout the zone where you logged out, even making some small profit from it... no more ghost cities!... Sometimes other players will see you as a humble waiter when you log off, at other times, you will put aside your weapons and spend hours begging on the sidewalks.
  • [11]"Employing" online players as NPCs for some profit... like we could see in skyrim - choping wood for example, but even begging on streets sounds fun

[12]Another idea is making some kind of underwater world... Im not sure how it worked in original single player games, if you could fight there or not, but that is not the point... its boring to be able just swim on water surface, I would love to see possibility to actualy dive and for example seek for some old treasures in ancient flooded aylied ruins (ofc all affected by breath)

[13]NPCs that dodge incoming horses, guess Im not the only one who sometimes gets upset by npcs blocking his way and dont moving for a bit so you have to turn back and ride around.

[14]Getting xp for everything you do... players want to play lore or story? sure let them, they enjoys it, but dont force others to do it. If I could choose I would do something much more enjoyable in game and going to do story only when I would want to... ofc, some says "but you can do whatever you can" yes I can but if I did I would still had lvl 10 or so

[15]Which kinda leads to being able to visit locations of other factions from the very beggining(ship or whatever) and xp there, for example getting some intro in faction you "wake up" and soon after getting Q to infiltrate or scout other faction

[16]Classes... nice but not TES-like thing... guess Im not the only one who expected we will have one giant skill tree and pick skills from there... if you say "but mooom, there would be only only one OP skill line which everyone would use" i have one word for you... balance



Well some of you may see some similarities to one of east mmo games, I wont hide it... some things are from it but game industry is developing and so will games, I love some of ideas they came with... anyway someone had to be first so welcome in modern gaming age of sandbox MMOs

I didnt find where to start voting inside post so here is strawpoll, if you like something above just vote for it please and hit some agree or like or how this forum works so some devs noticed this topic
At the end thank you for both positive and negative comments and sorry for my english and grammar.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting Comments]
Edited by Woodoochill on May 9, 2015 9:36PM
  • Psychobunni
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    Hey,
    First of all I want you guys to realize that this text is ment in "nobody would force you to do it"...


    NO OPEN WORLD PVP , I'm sure there are games to be found that offer that

    [Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version and removed response]
    Edited by ZOS_UlyssesW on May 9, 2015 9:34PM
    If options weren't necessary, and everyone played the same way, no one would use addons. Fix the UI!

  • PKMN12
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    It will NEVER be a sandbox game, first off

    IT is NOT that kind of game, never was meant to be, never will be, adding ANYONE of these (except of dueling) would cause the game to shut down in months.

    That kind of MMO never works, and never actually worked in teh first place, the only reason they EVER existed is lack of competition.

    There are so many things wrong with most of your idea's and that go completely againt how this game (and 90% of games) was made that even THINKING of these kind of thigns is ludicrous and compeltely laughable.

    Finally, to put any argument down for good from you, you can say "well then, just make a difference instance.server wit this stuff and let the people who want it use it" all you want, and all it would prove is you have no idea how programming works, there is no way in Oblivion the amount of money, time, and people that would be NEEDED to do it would EVER, in a million years be worth it.
    Edited by PKMN12 on May 9, 2015 9:18PM
  • idk
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    Duels are the most basic thing in every game only to those who like to duel often which is a small percentage of the game. As someone who has played with many a PVP enthusiast, Duels were not their attraction.

    Absolute openworld PVP will not be added to this game. It really does not make sense since the only people we can kill would be from our own alliance and it would take a complete rework of the game and probably added lag to make the change.
    • With that, the second half of the Justice system will be implemented, eventually. This will allow PVP type fights under specific circumstances but expect the guards to be able to join in.
    • Sorry, but I see the jail system as boring. I like that if someone cannot pay their bounty it does not matter how many times the guards kill them they still have their bounty. I expect the second half of the Justice system will have something.
    • Reward for someones head will be added with the second part of the Justice system, but within the Justice system so people choose to participate rather than players going runamuck with declaring bounties. You could always form an RP group and RP bounties like you suggest.

    Player oriented black sacrament, stealing money from other players, kidnapping or stealing from offline playes or anything with offline players? I really think ESO is not the game for you. Not poking fun at this, just does not logically fit in here. That would probably work better in a true F2P/P2W type game.

    At this point the topics listed have lost me since they "Jumped the Shark". Also, not that I think the forums polls are worth anything, but I am certainly not going to a third party poll that means even less.
    Really, idk
  • Woodoochill
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    NO OPEN WORLD PVP , I'm sure there are games to be found that offer that
    and reason why?
    PKMN12 wrote: »
    It will NEVER be a sandbox game, first off

    IT is NOT that kind of game, never was meant to be, never will be, adding ANYONE of these (except of dueling) would cause the game to shut down in months.

    That kind of MMO never works, and never actually worked in teh first place, the only reason they EVER existed is lack of competition.

    There are so many things wrong with most of your idea's and that go completely againt how this game (and 90% of games) was made that even THINKING of these kind of thigns is ludicrous and compeltely laughable.

    Finally, to put any argument down for good from you, you can say "well then, just make a difference instance.server wit this stuff and let the people who want it use it" all you want, and all it would prove is you have no idea how programming works, there is no way in Oblivion the amount of money, time, and people that would be NEEDED to do it would EVER, in a million years be worth it.

    that is your point of view "ludicrous and compeltely laughable" because you want to stick with old setup made across all those 90% of games... but not mine, you can say my ideas are wrong and I will still say you they arent! they are just new which you seems to not be able to accept...
    heh never works? dunno why this kind of mmos is beating even gigants like wow on east then ;)

    [Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version and removed response]
    Edited by ZOS_UlyssesW on May 9, 2015 9:42PM
  • Psychobunni
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    Why?

    Do a poll. Ask simply if PVE included open world PVP, would you play ESO. Yes/No

    And go from there


    to be fair, I do believe an area safe from other players interference and not annoying like a town center/bank/etc that we can duel each other and test builds/skills.....or simply for fun. Unkillable Test Dummies too.
    If options weren't necessary, and everyone played the same way, no one would use addons. Fix the UI!

  • Woodoochill
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    Duels are the most basic thing in every game only to those who like to duel often which is a small percentage of the game. As someone who has played with many a PVP enthusiast, Duels were not their attraction.

    Absolute openworld PVP will not be added to this game. It really does not make sense since the only people we can kill would be from our own alliance and it would take a complete rework of the game and probably added lag to make the change.
    • With that, the second half of the Justice system will be implemented, eventually. This will allow PVP type fights under specific circumstances but expect the guards to be able to join in.
    • Sorry, but I see the jail system as boring. I like that if someone cannot pay their bounty it does not matter how many times the guards kill them they still have their bounty. I expect the second half of the Justice system will have something.
    • Reward for someones head will be added with the second part of the Justice system, but within the Justice system so people choose to participate rather than players going runamuck with declaring bounties. You could always form an RP group and RP bounties like you suggest.

    Player oriented black sacrament, stealing money from other players, kidnapping or stealing from offline playes or anything with offline players? I really think ESO is not the game for you. Not poking fun at this, just does not logically fit in here.

    For hard PVP enthuasiast i dont wonder, but for players like me who just get bored by endless questiong and leveling its some way how to spend some time instead of just standing 1 hour in city and waiting for daily group

    Ye I get it, kinda too much work for too little ppl, anyway with that "killing only our own alliance" there is point [15]

    that justice system seems quite similar so... nice

    "kidnapping or stealing from offline playes or anything with offline players" dont fit? guess you r right but its a shame :/
    stealing from killed players would work in open pvp world... but black sacrament? why not when they would release dark brotherhood
  • PKMN12
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    NO OPEN WORLD PVP , I'm sure there are games to be found that offer that
    and reason why?
    PKMN12 wrote: »
    It will NEVER be a sandbox game, first off

    IT is NOT that kind of game, never was meant to be, never will be, adding ANYONE of these (except of dueling) would cause the game to shut down in months.

    That kind of MMO never works, and never actually worked in teh first place, the only reason they EVER existed is lack of competition.

    There are so many things wrong with most of your idea's and that go completely againt how this game (and 90% of games) was made that even THINKING of these kind of thigns is ludicrous and compeltely laughable.

    Finally, to put any argument down for good from you, you can say "well then, just make a difference instance.server wit this stuff and let the people who want it use it" all you want, and all it would prove is you have no idea how programming works, there is no way in Oblivion the amount of money, time, and people that would be NEEDED to do it would EVER, in a million years be worth it.

    that is your point of view "ludicrous and compeltely laughable" because you want to stick with old setup made across all those 90% of games... but not mine, you can say my ideas are wrong and I will still say you they arent! they are just new which you seems to not be able to accept...
    heh never works? dunno why this kind of mmos is beating even gigants like wow on east then ;)

    [Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version and removed response]

    ........WOW has the largest number of players in ANY MMORPG, no game even comes close, this is/has been known for a VERY long time, so yeah, whatever yo uare saying is outright false here.

    As for the rest, there is a reason no one makes these kind og games anymore, they DID exist, SWG, before the NGE, is famous for it, but guess what, none of those games are around anymore.
  • Sacadon
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    Why?

    Do a poll. Ask simply if PVE included open world PVP, would you play ESO. Yes/No

    And go from there


    to be fair, I do believe an area safe from other players interference and not annoying like a town center/bank/etc that we can duel each other and test builds/skills.....or simply for fun. Unkillable Test Dummies too.

    Or just search on "open world PvP" and behold
  • Woodoochill
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    PKMN12 wrote: »

    ........WOW has the largest number of players in ANY MMORPG, no game even comes close, this is/has been known for a VERY long time, so yeah, whatever yo uare saying is outright false here.

    As for the rest, there is a reason no one makes these kind og games anymore, they DID exist, SWG, before the NGE, is famous for it, but guess what, none of those games are around anymore.

    no offense but you strongly remind me this picture... "wheel, an invention of devil"
  • PKMN12
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    PKMN12 wrote: »

    ........WOW has the largest number of players in ANY MMORPG, no game even comes close, this is/has been known for a VERY long time, so yeah, whatever yo uare saying is outright false here.

    As for the rest, there is a reason no one makes these kind og games anymore, they DID exist, SWG, before the NGE, is famous for it, but guess what, none of those games are around anymore.

    no offense but you strongly remind me this picture... "wheel, an invention of devil"

    you are acting as if what you want has never been tried, it has, and all MMOs that have done it are now dead or VERY small.

    The opposition to what you want on these very forums has been prevalent since beta, not only have A LOT of players said they would quit the game if ANYTHING like that happened. and the DEVS themselves have said it would NEVER happen many, many times as it goes against their game design.

    and AGAIN, there is no way it would ever happen as it would be WAY too much money and time for it to ever be worth it.

    the whole "offline stealing" and take items from enemy palyers simply does not exist in MMO RPGS for a VERY good reason.
    Edited by PKMN12 on May 9, 2015 10:43PM
  • BBSooner
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    [16]Classes... nice but not TES-like thing...

    Liking or wanting/not wanting a class system is one thing, but to say classes aren't a TES thing is just inaccurate.
    Edited by BBSooner on May 10, 2015 2:03AM
  • MercyKilling
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    I could only vote for underwater stuff and classless advancement. Everything else is just ludicrous to ask for, as far as I'm concerned.
    I am not spending a single penny on the game until changes are made to the game that I want to see.
    1) Remove having to be in a guild to sell items to other players at a kiosk.
    2) Cosmetic modding for armor and clothing.
    3) Difficulty slider.
    4) Fully customizable player housing that isn't tied to anything in the game other than having the correct resources and enough gold to build. Don't tie it to PvP, guild membership, or anything at all. Oh, make it instanced so as not to take up world map space, too. Zeni screwed this one up already.
    Any /one/ of these things implemented would get me spending again, maybe even subbing.
  • maryriv
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    PLEASE IMPLEMENT MANDATORY OPEN WORLD PVP no other game has that.
  • PKMN12
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    maryriv wrote: »
    PLEASE IMPLEMENT MANDATORY OPEN WORLD PVP no other game has that.

    many games HAD it, but they all died out or went into serious obscruity, or the server that has that option is empty.
  • dafox187
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    i like about 75% of these the offlne making money thing was the best of them though

    don't get mad at my spelling, autocorrect doesn't cover fantasy.
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  • Xilidevil
    Xilidevil
    PKMN12 wrote: »
    NO OPEN WORLD PVP , I'm sure there are games to be found that offer that
    and reason why?
    PKMN12 wrote: »
    It will NEVER be a sandbox game, first off

    IT is NOT that kind of game, never was meant to be, never will be, adding ANYONE of these (except of dueling) would cause the game to shut down in months.

    That kind of MMO never works, and never actually worked in teh first place, the only reason they EVER existed is lack of competition.

    There are so many things wrong with most of your idea's and that go completely againt how this game (and 90% of games) was made that even THINKING of these kind of thigns is ludicrous and compeltely laughable.

    Finally, to put any argument down for good from you, you can say "well then, just make a difference instance.server wit this stuff and let the people who want it use it" all you want, and all it would prove is you have no idea how programming works, there is no way in Oblivion the amount of money, time, and people that would be NEEDED to do it would EVER, in a million years be worth it.

    that is your point of view "ludicrous and compeltely laughable" because you want to stick with old setup made across all those 90% of games... but not mine, you can say my ideas are wrong and I will still say you they arent! they are just new which you seems to not be able to accept...
    heh never works? dunno why this kind of mmos is beating even gigants like wow on east then ;)

    [Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version and removed response]

    ........WOW has the largest number of players in ANY MMORPG, no game even comes close, this is/has been known for a VERY long time, so yeah, whatever yo uare saying is outright false here.

    As for the rest, there is a reason no one makes these kind og games anymore, they DID exist, SWG, before the NGE, is famous for it, but guess what, none of those games are around anymore.

    To be frank with you.. this game is not WOW. There is a reason this game doesn't have open pvp. If you want that, go to Cyrodill. Its that simple really. Pretty much everyone plays this game for the lore, and I believe I am right about this, the pve aspect.
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  • PKMN12
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    Xilidevil wrote: »
    PKMN12 wrote: »
    NO OPEN WORLD PVP , I'm sure there are games to be found that offer that
    and reason why?
    PKMN12 wrote: »
    It will NEVER be a sandbox game, first off

    IT is NOT that kind of game, never was meant to be, never will be, adding ANYONE of these (except of dueling) would cause the game to shut down in months.

    That kind of MMO never works, and never actually worked in teh first place, the only reason they EVER existed is lack of competition.

    There are so many things wrong with most of your idea's and that go completely againt how this game (and 90% of games) was made that even THINKING of these kind of thigns is ludicrous and compeltely laughable.

    Finally, to put any argument down for good from you, you can say "well then, just make a difference instance.server wit this stuff and let the people who want it use it" all you want, and all it would prove is you have no idea how programming works, there is no way in Oblivion the amount of money, time, and people that would be NEEDED to do it would EVER, in a million years be worth it.

    that is your point of view "ludicrous and compeltely laughable" because you want to stick with old setup made across all those 90% of games... but not mine, you can say my ideas are wrong and I will still say you they arent! they are just new which you seems to not be able to accept...
    heh never works? dunno why this kind of mmos is beating even gigants like wow on east then ;)

    [Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version and removed response]

    ........WOW has the largest number of players in ANY MMORPG, no game even comes close, this is/has been known for a VERY long time, so yeah, whatever yo uare saying is outright false here.

    As for the rest, there is a reason no one makes these kind og games anymore, they DID exist, SWG, before the NGE, is famous for it, but guess what, none of those games are around anymore.

    To be frank with you.. this game is not WOW. There is a reason this game doesn't have open pvp. If you want that, go to Cyrodill. Its that simple really. Pretty much everyone plays this game for the lore, and I believe I am right about this, the pve aspect.

    ...never said it WAS like WOW (though it is STILL an MMO and thus will be compared), also, what he wants is compelete Open world PVP, you can even attack same-faction palyers, which WOW does not have.

    My point was, he was saying WOW is a dead MMO that games like what he wants are beating, which is not true in any way.
  • Xilidevil
    Xilidevil
    PKMN12 wrote: »
    Xilidevil wrote: »
    PKMN12 wrote: »
    NO OPEN WORLD PVP , I'm sure there are games to be found that offer that
    and reason why?
    PKMN12 wrote: »
    It will NEVER be a sandbox game, first off

    IT is NOT that kind of game, never was meant to be, never will be, adding ANYONE of these (except of dueling) would cause the game to shut down in months.

    That kind of MMO never works, and never actually worked in teh first place, the only reason they EVER existed is lack of competition.

    There are so many things wrong with most of your idea's and that go completely againt how this game (and 90% of games) was made that even THINKING of these kind of thigns is ludicrous and compeltely laughable.

    Finally, to put any argument down for good from you, you can say "well then, just make a difference instance.server wit this stuff and let the people who want it use it" all you want, and all it would prove is you have no idea how programming works, there is no way in Oblivion the amount of money, time, and people that would be NEEDED to do it would EVER, in a million years be worth it.

    that is your point of view "ludicrous and compeltely laughable" because you want to stick with old setup made across all those 90% of games... but not mine, you can say my ideas are wrong and I will still say you they arent! they are just new which you seems to not be able to accept...
    heh never works? dunno why this kind of mmos is beating even gigants like wow on east then ;)

    [Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version and removed response]

    ........WOW has the largest number of players in ANY MMORPG, no game even comes close, this is/has been known for a VERY long time, so yeah, whatever yo uare saying is outright false here.

    As for the rest, there is a reason no one makes these kind og games anymore, they DID exist, SWG, before the NGE, is famous for it, but guess what, none of those games are around anymore.

    To be frank with you.. this game is not WOW. There is a reason this game doesn't have open pvp. If you want that, go to Cyrodill. Its that simple really. Pretty much everyone plays this game for the lore, and I believe I am right about this, the pve aspect.

    ...never said it WAS like WOW (though it is STILL an MMO and thus will be compared), also, what he wants is compelete Open world PVP, you can even attack same-faction palyers, which WOW does not have.

    My point was, he was saying WOW is a dead MMO that games like what he wants are beating, which is not true in any way.

    Oh well I thought it was him saying it was like WoW. My bad :'( but I am with you though. I would absolutely hate open world pvp with same faction. It would just make the game a lot more frustrating and thus lose players. And honestly, I came from WoW. I've played it for a long time and I think that it is slowly dying. The content is just lacking so much.
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  • Gandrhulf_Harbard
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    maryriv wrote: »
    PLEASE IMPLEMENT MANDATORY OPEN WORLD PVP no other game has that.

    There are no games that have it for a very good reason.

    Its a major turn off to the vast majority of players.

    As a general rule less than 30% of MMORPG player regularly PvP, and the vast majority of those do it only within a certain structure.

    If ESO went mandatory open world PvP the number of players left would be so small the game would close.

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  • Tandor
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    There are MMOs with open world PvP, and they are mainly small indie games with very small populations. Darkfall is one example.

    More typical PvE-based MMOs have in the past introduced PvP servers - EQ and EQ2 being examples - and those servers initially attracted no more than 10% of the population and then ended up being merged or closed through lack of use.

    ESO would hemorrhage players if it introduced open world PvP in any major sense, and may well lose some players if and when a restricted form of open world PvP is added to the Justice System, hence ZOS holding back on it so as to ensure that if they do introduce it they get it right. Personally, I hope it never happens. I have no interest in any of the OP's suggestions.
  • Psychobunni
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    Tandor wrote: »
    There are MMOs with open world PvP, and they are mainly small indie games with very small populations. Darkfall is one example.

    More typical PvE-based MMOs have in the past introduced PvP servers - EQ and EQ2 being examples - and those servers initially attracted no more than 10% of the population and then ended up being merged or closed through lack of use.

    ESO would hemorrhage players if it introduced open world PvP in any major sense, and may well lose some players if and when a restricted form of open world PvP is added to the Justice System, hence ZOS holding back on it so as to ensure that if they do introduce it they get it right. Personally, I hope it never happens. I have no interest in any of the OP's suggestions.

    Aye, me too. I don't like the justice system at all. I appreciate its a hard core part of the TES history, but I feel better suited to solo play than MMO.
    If options weren't necessary, and everyone played the same way, no one would use addons. Fix the UI!

  • Parrotbrain
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    I love the OPs suggestions, i think it would add a unique flavour to the game, as long as the PVP systems are opt-in, i.e. you have to flag yourself for it. Maybe adding it as a separate content pack activating systems for those that want it, to prevent griefing.
  • PKMN12
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    I love the OPs suggestions, i think it would add a unique flavour to the game, as long as the PVP systems are opt-in, i.e. you have to flag yourself for it. Maybe adding it as a separate content pack activating systems for those that want it, to prevent griefing.

    and few to no one would have it on....making it a waste of time and money.
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