[Video] Dennegor Magicka Melee NB 1vX

Erondil

Hello,
several clips I recorded wednesday on Azura EU. Graphism are quite low, sorry about that, my computer is getting old
click to watch
Here is the build I was running with

Soulac

Absorbed, Absorbed, Absorbed, Absorbed
You´re able to hit so hard and your enemy´s just use a low cost shield..

Good job tho

Erondil

Soulac wrote: »

Absorbed, Absorbed, Absorbed, Absorbed
You´re able to hit so hard and your enemy´s just use a low cost shield..

Good job tho

ofc Magicka OP

TheBucket

Not bad. I wouldt use cripple though. Seems resources are in issue with this build.

Erondil

TheBucket wrote: »

Not bad. I wouldt use cripple though. Seems resources are in issue with this build.

Cripple helps a lot to keep the pressure while I'm sustaining/defending myself in a 1vX. Damages are huge (10k unbuffed) and it drains stamina quite fast. The speed bonus is very usefull tho. I prefer it to double take, in solo at least.

Maulkin

Nice video

Erondil wrote: »

TheBucket wrote: »

Not bad. I wouldt use cripple though. Seems resources are in issue with this build.

Cripple helps a lot to keep the pressure while I'm sustaining/defending myself in a 1vX. Damages are huge (10k unbuffed) and it drains stamina quite fast. The speed bonus is very usefull tho. I prefer it to double take, in solo at least.

I'm personally a coward on my NB and I prefer Double Take because it doesn't pop you out of cloak and allows you to escape at 100km/h. Keeping it on the same bar with Cloak and CW and going.... DT->Cloak->DT->Cloak etc etc. Also you can use it without a target when out of combat and in combat the Major Evasion is pretty sweet.

It's the same mentality with picking S&B on the Sorc over Destro, I guess. Defense more than offense.

Though if you're being aggressive I can see why you'd take Cripple. Much better skill for sustaining pressure as you said.

Oughash

Great video! I watched the first two fights and I really impressed. Then I watched you proxy-det, invisi-bats, ambush a bunch of scrubs and started laughing out loud. That was awesome!

Erondil

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Nice video

Erondil wrote: »

TheBucket wrote: »

Not bad. I wouldt use cripple though. Seems resources are in issue with this build.

Cripple helps a lot to keep the pressure while I'm sustaining/defending myself in a 1vX. Damages are huge (10k unbuffed) and it drains stamina quite fast. The speed bonus is very usefull tho. I prefer it to double take, in solo at least.

I'm personally a coward on my NB and I prefer Double Take because it doesn't pop you out of cloak and allows you to escape at 100km/h. Keeping it on the same bar with Cloak and CW and going.... DT->Cloak->DT->Cloak etc etc. Also you can use it without a target when out of combat and in combat the Major Evasion is pretty sweet.

It's the same mentality with picking S&B on the Sorc over Destro, I guess. Defense more than offense.

Though if you're being aggressive I can see why you'd take Cripple. Much better skill for sustaining pressure as you said.

Thanks
Yes Double Take is very good too, I was using it on this slot for a while, but now I prefer cripple for solo because quite often, cripple is just the little amount f damages I needed to finish a target, and it's a good stamina drain. Sometimes the evasion bonus misses me, especially agaisnt WB spammers . I still use it (or mist form it depends) instead of cripple when I duo/trio tho.

Ishammael wrote: »

Great video! I watched the first two fights and I really impressed. Then I watched you proxy-det, invisi-bats, ambush a bunch of scrubs and started laughing out loud. That was awesome!

Thanks! Haha yes, I guess those EPs had never seen such combo before, was a fun moment Such action fails in 95% of the cases. Hopefully I was recording when it worked

TheBucket

Erondil wrote: »

TheBucket wrote: »

Not bad. I wouldt use cripple though. Seems resources are in issue with this build.

Cripple helps a lot to keep the pressure while I'm sustaining/defending myself in a 1vX. Damages are huge (10k unbuffed) and it drains stamina quite fast. The speed bonus is very usefull tho. I prefer it to double take, in solo at least.

If only..

NB's couldn't cleanse it.
It would work on Damage Shields
It couldn't be purged
DK's couldn't reflect it

It's basically useless except against a random non updated on the current meta pugger. If you want to put pressure on someone, you should be running with an execute. You had about 6-7 times in that small video alone where you could of just used an execute and saved more resources while eliminating an opponent. In which you didn't have cripple ticking away on that opponent.

Do as you like, but it's clearly on your own video showing you better options.

Erondil

TheBucket wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

TheBucket wrote: »

Not bad. I wouldt use cripple though. Seems resources are in issue with this build.

Cripple helps a lot to keep the pressure while I'm sustaining/defending myself in a 1vX. Damages are huge (10k unbuffed) and it drains stamina quite fast. The speed bonus is very usefull tho. I prefer it to double take, in solo at least.

If only..

NB's couldn't cleanse it.
They can't cleanse the speed debuff. They will take few ticks before to cleanse it.
It would work on Damage Shields
It works well actually. When I kite with a cripple running, people don't watch their health bar (because they don't feel attacked) and cripple can destroy one shield which mkes the next burst much more efficient
It couldn't be purged
Not everbody has a slot for purge. Even if they purge it they will take few ticks before. At the end, both me and the ennemy used one GCD, I dealt 3k damages and gained a speed bonus, they did nothing.
DK's couldn't reflect it
Any half smart DK wont refresh his scales every 4secs agaisnt a melee player.

It's basically useless except against a random non updated on the current meta pugger. If you want to put pressure on someone, you should be running with an execute. You had about 6-7 times in that small video alone where you could of just used an execute and saved more resources while eliminating an opponent. In which you didn't have cripple ticking away on that opponent.

Do as you like, but it's clearly on your own video showing you better options.

Agaisnt good players, execute is basically useless because they wont stay in the execute range long enough to make it worth. Execute isn't good to put pressure, its not what its supposed to do. By putting pressure I mean having always some damages on the ennemy so he can't really attack me. About 10 times in that small video cripple helped me a lot, because of the speed bonus, the speed debuff on the ennemy or the dot.
About my magcka issue, yes, I have problems with magicka in 1vX when I haven't a lot of pots left and so I don't use one every CD. Otherwise, eventhought I'm quite often oom, its ok.

Nivzruo_ESO

Fine vid, think I'll go magika myself now.

Chesimac

Thoroughly enjoyed the vid op, very nice

Waylander

Nice vid, I run drinks to get my regen in the 1500-1600 range which makes magica management easier at the cost of max magica (so some dmg).

I also like cripple, good for chasing runners, nice to open with before a concealed weapon, gives a siphoning ability on your bar for the passive etc.

Mark target is nice to mark other stealthers, unfortunately magica NB has a lot of abilities they could run, so competition for bar space is fierce.

Erondil

Nivzruo_ESO wrote: »

Fine vid, think I'll go magika myself now.

Thanks Yes magicka is love

Chesimac wrote: »

Thoroughly enjoyed the vid op, very nice

Thanks!

Waylander wrote: »

Nice vid, I run drinks to get my regen in the 1500-1600 range which makes magica management easier at the cost of max magica (so some dmg).

I also like cripple, good for chasing runners, nice to open with before a concealed weapon, gives a siphoning ability on your bar for the passive etc.

Mark target is nice to mark other stealthers, unfortunately magica NB has a lot of abilities they could run, so competition for bar space is fierce.

I don't like dinks so much (for this build at least) because with drinks I lose a lot of health, and I barely see how to deal in 1vX with less than 20k health. Especially as vamp with no efficient shield (when I'm at 100% health) that protects me from physical damages. If I wanted to be at 20k health with drinks, I would be only around 23-24k magicka which is a huge lost of damages (~600 damages TT). Maybe as altmer/breton with magicka passives and aprentice or mage instead of atro it could worth it.

Yes, magica NB has a lot of tools usefull in certains situations, I wish I had 6+1 slots^^. Instead of mark I use sap essence if a NB tries to cloak close to me, or a detect pot.

LegendaryMage

Nice vid Denne, get some dueling footage up too!

Erondil

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Nice vid Denne, get some dueling footage up too!

Thanks Got some duels recorded the same day, gonna edit them too

Lava_Croft

These videos always show someone beating up newbies. I'll wait with slight anticipation for the dueling videos!

Waylander

With higher regen you can cloak constantly (taking less damage) and use healing ward and cloak to recover lost health. I'm pretty comfortable at 19k but I'm imperial which helps on the health side of things. If they are a stamina NB and use a detect pot or mark you out of stealth then their burst can cause trouble.

maryriv

This video shows that...

A. Bat Swarm is extremely Over Powered.
B. Shield Stacking is extremely Over Powered.
C. Detection Potions destroy stealth classes.
D. Magicka Detonation is extremely Over Powered.

Of course it could just be that all other skills are extremely Under Powered. You decide.

Lava_Croft

Bat Swarm only looks overpowered because all you see in the video are basically clueless players.

ToRelax

maryriv wrote: »

This video shows that...

A. Bat Swarm is extremely Over Powered.
B. Shield Stacking is extremely Over Powered.
C. Detection Potions destroy stealth classes.
D. Magicka Detonation is extremely Over Powered.

Of course it could just be that all other skills are extremely Under Powered. You decide.

Or there was simply a good player. You decide.

Erondil

maryriv wrote: »

This video shows that...

A. Bat Swarm is extremely Over Powered.
B. Shield Stacking is extremely Over Powered.
C. Detection Potions destroy stealth classes.
D. Magicka Detonation is extremely Over Powered.

Of course it could just be that all other skills are extremely Under Powered. You decide.

As Kris said, it seems overpowered because players that I fought were most of the time very bad.
(Especially those EP tbh)
Proximity detonation+Bats will never work on a group of half-decent players.
I barely see how it shows that shield stacking is op, on this vid 80% of the time they just cant hit me because I use los and my class skills (I have no class shield)
I used 2 detect potions, including one agaisnt a NB. I've been marked 2-3 times (mark> detect potion if you fight only 1 ennemy) but it didnt destroy me. You can deal with detect potions and mark.
Thanks for your feedback tho

Ryuho

Denne OP

Erondil

Ryuho wrote: »

Denne OP

You too Rub