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Why do you like Non-vet more?

FireCowCommando
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Straight forward poll, lets see whats up!
Edited by FireCowCommando on May 7, 2015 7:36PM

Why do you like Non-vet more? 85 votes

Time to kill is longer
14%
Plague_ScaleTankqullCuddlerkijimaInvictoNZhammayolettuceTheBucketkimbohWorstluckWRXDezIsDeadTorquebow 12 votes
Less Zergball
14%
Ifthir_ESOZhoyzuErock25ZahneAproditeAenlirAaronLawrenceDarthgilLaurentianothing2591sirlapSturgeHammer 12 votes
More overall ability balance (less combo for burst/AoE)
3%
bloodenragedb14_ESOkeni_harringtonb16_ESObadmojo 3 votes
All of the above
68%
driosketchPoxheartkevlarto_ESOjnjdun_ESOYolokin_SwagonbornArmitasVurian97CallunaRylanac0rpEtanielMaulkinhamonJitterbugpontahultinb16_ESOIxSTALKERxIhollywoodCyrdemaceb17_ESOFMonkMarsgodofwar 58 votes
  • Zhoyzu
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    Less Zergball
    my vote somewhat irrelevant. when i was last there AD be zergin around so i left there too. if im gonna have to deal with it there may as well play a different and more developed character.
    Zhoyzu - Nightblade Alchemist (v15) RETIRED
    Has-No-Heart - Templar Enchanter (v4) FUBAR
    Ambadassador - Dragon knight (v1) Naked with no future (returned from the naked realm to tank PvE)
    Sakis Tolis - Sorceror (v10 in progress) Living Legend!

    Xuhl'Xotuun - Warden Current Main as im starting the game over essentially with this character aside from crafting.

    Creator of Khajiit fall dmg reduction racial passive concept.

  • Workerdroid7
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    All of the above
    I play non-vet pretty much exclusively. It is more balanced. It is less laggy. Because people haven't completely min-maxed perfect builds and equipment, you do tend to have a chance to last longer in fights (except when you DO get jumped by a zerg group, of course).... for the most part, non-vet is fun, and I see no real reason to go through the whole grind from v1 to v14 thing just to try be competitive in a laggy, zergy campaign.... it's just easier to role a new non-vet character.

    (if, however, performance improves and real steps are taken to make non-zerg pvp an option, I might see the worth in the huge vet grind)
  • Agrippa_Invisus
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    All of the above
    Lower TTK, less lag, more spread out players, and generally it plays like everyone wishes the veteran campaigns play.
    Agrippa Invisus / Indominus / Inprimis / Inviolatus
    DragonKnight / Templar / Warden / Sorcerer - Vagabond
    Once a General, now a Citizen
    Former Emperor of Bloodthorn and Vivec
    For Sweetrolls! FOR FIMIAN!
  • Jitterbug
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    All of the above
    For the first time in over a year I can honestly say that I agree with everything and everyone in a poll.
  • Cody
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    All of the above
    I play the non-vet because it has the balance and fun the vet campaigns dont even come close to. The vet campaigns are filled with:

    horrendous lag.

    a complete lack of balance(infinite resource builds, pop imbalance, ridiculous one shot wonder builds leading to ridiculous TTK times, the nirnhoned crisis, ridiculous regen rates, and a plethora of other problems)

    the meta being based on nothing but zerging

    and other issues. The non-vet offers more fun, more strategy, and more balance than do the vet campaigns. If having fun means I have to re-roll every time i hit VR1, so be it.

    once some of the issues in the vet campaigns get fixed, ill go back to them.
    Edited by Cody on May 7, 2015 10:54PM
  • tengri
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    All of the above
    Vet PvP is a total failure.
    And it's only getting worse every day CP gained.....
  • kijima
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    Time to kill is longer
    I was going to tick all of the above, but the Time to Kill is brilliant and here is why.

    Last night I was outside BRK last night and met up with an EP DK, we fought for about 5-6 minutes, not a duel but it sure as hell felt like one. Close in build and close in Level, so it was all about skill. Because we were so close to the AD occupied keep, an AD player came into the fray, thankfully that AD player saw that we were having a great fight and while he/she intervened at the start, they did pull back and let us continue. I tips my lid to that AD player, thankyou for letting us continue.

    So we kept at it for another 5 minutes, then an EP sorc came out from nowhere spamming frags... :sigh: and while the DK and I were evenly matched, I couldn't 1v2 at that time. Anyway, the TTK is great, it let's you actually fight another player, not face roll your opponent in 1.25 seconds in Vet.

    To that EP player, I'd love to meet up for a rematch, t'was a good fight. My toon is level 33 DK, Anurraame's Dad or grab me @kijima

    P.S. Other reasons I prefer Blackwater Blade

    - No Meteor Storms
    - No Crazy regen builds
    - Less AOE
    - Less Zergs
    - AND LESS LAG

    Honestly, if ZOS could bring Vet into line with Blackwater Blade, I'd go back to vet.
    Been here since Feb 2014 - You'd think I'd be half reasonable at this game by now...

    A'marta - AD Sorc Tank
    Kijima - AD DK Derps
    Annure - AD NB Derps
    Boom Crash Opera - AD Sorc DPS

  • kevlarto_ESO
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    All of the above
    Good fun there, I don't see meteor flying out of everyone's rear end every time I turn around for one..LOL

    All the above sums it up a good throw back to simpler, and just more fun pvp imho.
  • FireCowCommando
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    All of the above
    I left out lag by accident, but honestly its for the best since ZoS says they cannot fix server stability why not have the 3 options that they can actually control on the list?

    I choose all of the above since there are many problems with the Vet pvp. Roughly 30% or less of my guild even enjoys Vet pvp atm, and we play 4+ hours daily.
  • lolo_01b16_ESO
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    You missed the most important option: no lag
  • Yolokin_Swagonborn
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    All of the above
    All of the above plus Non-vet has a very low barrier to entry. Want to try a Heavy armor orc sorc? Take a few days, level one up and try it out!

    You can try any class and any build and all you have to do is get to level 25ish to do so. All pvpers want to do is get to the action and fight but this game makes you grind and grind and grind till you hate the game, hate pve and hate your own character that you created.

    You can theorycraft and play around all you want, without huge time barriers to entry. That's what makes it good.
  • OtarTheMad
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    All of the above
    Definitely all of the above. The non-veteran campaign is what PVP was meant to be. Good fights/battles, you have a good chance to actually defend a keep, long time to kill makes for good 1 v 1's but not so long you wish you never attacked them etc.

    Plus, and I think this is big, not many groups running in the non-vet hate against pugs or rage against those who might make a mistake or two. Groups or guilds will invite just about anyone, most players group it seems (at least when I was in there).

    Plus what the other person above me said, you can test builds. I've changed my DK so many times, he was a medium armor build when he started out 2h/bow. Then I made him a tank. Then a magicka build. Then a hybrid. It's nice to be able to just test ideas out without spending all that gold to respect and whatnot. Now he's back to being a magicka build after testing stuff out and I am making it work.
  • CP5
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    All of the above
    I have stuck to non-vet for a while because of the above. Always found it to be better than the vet campaigns and it still is. Except for the new group of dc that have taken to tower farming...
  • Sanct16
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    All of the above
    ZOS: "Thank you all for your feedback on the non veteran campaign. Based on your feedback, we decided to work on some changes as it not intended that you can't experience the joy of zerging on this campaign. It took us a long time to destroy every playstyle except zerging and ganking so we are sorry if this might not be the case for the non veteran campaign yet."
    - EU - Raid Leader of Banana Zerg Squad
    AD | AR 50 | Sanct Fir'eheal | ex Mana DK @31.10.2015
    EP | AR 50 | Sanctosaurus | Mana NB
    AD | AR 44 | rekt ya | Mana NB
    AD | AR 41 | Sanct Thunderstorm | Mana Sorc
    EP | AR 36 | S'na'ct | Mana NB {NA}
    AD | AR 29 | Captain Full Fist| Stam DK
    AD | AR 29 | Sanct The Dark Phoenix| Stam Sorc
    EP | AR 16 | Horny Sanct | Stam Warden
    EP | AR 16 | Sánct Bánáná Sláyér | Mana DK
    DC | AR 13 | ad worst faction eu | Stam Sorc
    DC | AR 13 | Lagendary Sanct | Mana NB

    >320.000.000 AP
  • Bodycounter
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    All of the above
    Everything is better in Low Level campagne. Veteran campagne is noobish Zerg-/Blobfestival and huge lagspikes. And instabursts if underleveled.

    Every casual player like me has no chances in veteran campagnes. The new CP system *** on newer players and gives everyone with enough time "free skill". Seriously, who thinks a fresh Veteran 1 can do anything against someone on Vet14 with 800+ CP? Do you like to fight unarmed children with shotguns and grenades?

    This will get worse and worse with time and ZoS already stated they won't do anything until august or something. People spending 14+ hours day into PvP should be naturally better and don't need such a huge power boost.
    Edited by Bodycounter on May 8, 2015 11:46AM
  • Maulkin
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    All of the above
    kijima wrote: »
    I was going to tick all of the above, but the Time to Kill is brilliant and here is why.

    Last night I was outside BRK last night and met up with an EP DK, we fought for about 5-6 minutes, not a duel but it sure as hell felt like one. Close in build and close in Level, so it was all about skill. Because we were so close to the AD occupied keep, an AD player came into the fray, thankfully that AD player saw that we were having a great fight and while he/she intervened at the start, they did pull back and let us continue. I tips my lid to that AD player, thankyou for letting us continue.

    So we kept at it for another 5 minutes, then an EP sorc came out from nowhere spamming frags... :sigh: and while the DK and I were evenly matched, I couldn't 1v2 at that time. Anyway, the TTK is great, it let's you actually fight another player, not face roll your opponent in 1.25 seconds in Vet.

    Commenting on the bolded stuff...

    I agree with the overall sentiment, but you got these bits wrong. Duels in Vet between skilled players take far far longer than in the non-Vet. Skilled duelists slug it out for 10 - 20+ minutes at times because with +1.6k regen on core attribute (stam or mag) and pots you never run out of juice. That means it takes pretty much a mistake from one to get killed by the other.

    The problem is with burst on unsuspecting targets. You fight a Sorc and out comes a NB (for example) with Snipe + Ambush + Incapacitating to land 35k on you in 1" and it's gg and goodnight. Or you fight a melee dude and off the side a Sorc hits you with a Frag crit and Fury proc and you get 25k in 1" and it's the same story.

    1v1s are not the problem, because you can negate the burst from 1 person if you see them coming. If you DON'T see them coming though the burst is so high you can get killed in under 1".


    EU | PC | AD
  • Brizz
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    All of the above
    amazing pvp is amazing. I will play this game until I get bored, and sadly that may be sooner rather then later.
    :.,_,.:*"'"*:.,_,.:*"'"* Guild of Shadows *"'":.,_,.:*"'"*:.,_,.:
    Briizz - v14 EP Werewolf Nightblade <Former Emperor - Chillrend NA>
    Brizz The Elder Dragon - v14 EP Dragon Knight
    Brizz - v12 DC Nightblade <Former Emperor - Celarus NA>
    Brizeer - v4 Stamina Sorcerer - Prophet of Zazeer-Destroyer of Buff Severs and Eater of Sweet Rolls-
    Watch LIVE @ www.twitch.tv/brizztv
  • mcurley
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    Because I don't have a Veteran Ranked hero so I figured I should stay out of Veteran Ranked PVP until I do.

    BB is AMAZINGLY fun though. It really tests players' skills instead of their min/maxed gear.

    Last night I was solo ganking around Roe (I think) and came across another DCer who was probably doing the same thing but was caught by a group of 3 AD. I jumped into the action and we ended up killing all 3 of the AD and another 2-3 more that came as backup before we were laid to rest by overwhelming numbers. SO MUCH FUN.

    I wish I could remember the name of my DC partner in battle because he was a damn good player.
    For the Covenant!
    Svvord - magicka NB
    Lavv - magicka DK
    Povver - stamina NB
    Psylint - stamina NB
    Yelruc - magicka Sorc
  • Rylana
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    All of the above
    Because vet is garbage for the most part
    @rylanadionysis == Closed Beta Tester October 2013 == Retired October 2016 == Uninstalled @ One Tamriel Release == Inactive Indefinitely
    Ebonheart Pact: Lyzara Dionysis - Sorc - AR 37 (Former Empress of Blackwater Blade and Haderus) == Shondra Dionysis - Temp - AR 23 == Arrianaya Dionysis - DK - AR 17
    Aldmeri Dominion: Rylana Dionysis - DK - AR 25 == Kailiana - NB - AR 21 == Minerva Dionysis - Temp - AR 21 == Victoria Dionysis - Sorc - AR 13
    Daggerfall Covenant: Dannika Dionysis - DK - AR 21 == The Catman Rises - Temp - AR 15 (Former Emperor of Blackwater Blade)
    Forum LOL Champion (retired) == Black Belt in Ballista-Fu == The Last Vice Member == Praise Cheesus == Electro-Goblin
  • Ezareth
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    mcurley wrote: »
    Because I don't have a Veteran Ranked hero so I figured I should stay out of Veteran Ranked PVP until I do.

    BB is AMAZINGLY fun though. It really tests players' skills instead of their min/maxed gear.

    Last night I was solo ganking around Roe (I think) and came across another DCer who was probably doing the same thing but was caught by a group of 3 AD. I jumped into the action and we ended up killing all 3 of the AD and another 2-3 more that came as backup before we were laid to rest by overwhelming numbers. SO MUCH FUN.

    I wish I could remember the name of my DC partner in battle because he was a damn good player.

    There are a lot of great DC players on BWB right now ( ;
    Permanently banned from the forums for displaying dissent: ESO - The Year Behind
    Too Much Bolt Escape - banned for "hacking the game to create movement not otherwise permitted by in game mechanics."
    Ezareth VR16 AD Sorc - Rank 36 - Axe NA
    Ezareth-Ali VR16 DC NB - Rank 20 - Chillrend NA
    Ezareth PvP on Youtube
  • cozmon3c_ESO
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    how about more people who dont know what the hell is going on so you can wtf pwn everybody... what thats not an option?
    Guild UMBRA Chapter Lead
    ~Leper Si -V14 Sorcerer~
    Youtube Channel - Leper
    https://www.youtube.com/user/TheCozmon3c/videos
  • Azrael01
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    mcurley wrote: »

    Last night I was solo ganking around Roe (I think) and came across another DCer who was probably doing the same thing but was caught by a group of 3 AD. I jumped into the action and we ended up killing all 3 of the AD and another 2-3 more that came as backup before we were laid to rest by overwhelming numbers. SO MUCH FUN.

    I wish I could remember the name of my DC partner in battle because he was a damn good player.

    It was probably "Unholy Zazeer" I was ganking AD between Alessia and Roe and he saved my ass a few times.

    Also i have voted all of the Above for this, i have only reached Veteran 4 on my Main toon but i just gave up because Vet PvP is WAY out of balance, the CP system players are too far ahead for me to even begin to compete, the lag and really just everything mentioned, its crazy that the developers of a game don't address the MASSIVE ISSUES and just leave their player base to suffer
    Story Writer - English not first Language

  • Brizz
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    All of the above
    mcurley wrote: »
    Because I don't have a Veteran Ranked hero so I figured I should stay out of Veteran Ranked PVP until I do.

    BB is AMAZINGLY fun though. It really tests players' skills instead of their min/maxed gear.

    Last night I was solo ganking around Roe (I think) and came across another DCer who was probably doing the same thing but was caught by a group of 3 AD. I jumped into the action and we ended up killing all 3 of the AD and another 2-3 more that came as backup before we were laid to rest by overwhelming numbers. SO MUCH FUN.

    I wish I could remember the name of my DC partner in battle because he was a damn good player.

    Was it a Lizard Templar? If it was, it may have been my Brizzadin :)
    :.,_,.:*"'"*:.,_,.:*"'"* Guild of Shadows *"'":.,_,.:*"'"*:.,_,.:
    Briizz - v14 EP Werewolf Nightblade <Former Emperor - Chillrend NA>
    Brizz The Elder Dragon - v14 EP Dragon Knight
    Brizz - v12 DC Nightblade <Former Emperor - Celarus NA>
    Brizeer - v4 Stamina Sorcerer - Prophet of Zazeer-Destroyer of Buff Severs and Eater of Sweet Rolls-
    Watch LIVE @ www.twitch.tv/brizztv
  • kijima
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    Time to kill is longer
    kijima wrote: »
    I was going to tick all of the above, but the Time to Kill is brilliant and here is why.

    Last night I was outside BRK last night and met up with an EP DK, we fought for about 5-6 minutes, not a duel but it sure as hell felt like one. Close in build and close in Level, so it was all about skill. Because we were so close to the AD occupied keep, an AD player came into the fray, thankfully that AD player saw that we were having a great fight and while he/she intervened at the start, they did pull back and let us continue. I tips my lid to that AD player, thankyou for letting us continue.

    So we kept at it for another 5 minutes, then an EP sorc came out from nowhere spamming frags... :sigh: and while the DK and I were evenly matched, I couldn't 1v2 at that time. Anyway, the TTK is great, it let's you actually fight another player, not face roll your opponent in 1.25 seconds in Vet.

    Commenting on the bolded stuff...

    I agree with the overall sentiment, but you got these bits wrong. Duels in Vet between skilled players take far far longer than in the non-Vet. Skilled duelists slug it out for 10 - 20+ minutes at times because with +1.6k regen on core attribute (stam or mag) and pots you never run out of juice. That means it takes pretty much a mistake from one to get killed by the other.

    The problem is with burst on unsuspecting targets. You fight a Sorc and out comes a NB (for example) with Snipe + Ambush + Incapacitating to land 35k on you in 1" and it's gg and goodnight. Or you fight a melee dude and off the side a Sorc hits you with a Frag crit and Fury proc and you get 25k in 1" and it's the same story.

    1v1s are not the problem, because you can negate the burst from 1 person if you see them coming. If you DON'T see them coming though the burst is so high you can get killed in under 1".


    Mike, I know you agree with my sentiments as a whole, and I agree with your sentiments too somewhat. But here's the thing, I'm not dying by one a single player quickly like I can in Vet if I'm not totally focused and on my game, I only die quickly in non-vet when I get jumped by two or more, even then it's only if I get snared/stunned then it's over before it starts.

    I find for vet I need to be on my game to be effective, and I feel bad when I die as though I've let down my guildies. In Blackwater, I play mostly solo, and sometimes hook up in a pickup group for Lol's.

    Last night, I was solo for the entire time, there were of course other AD around and we joked around in zone. We' fought mainly at nikel last night, had a blast. I got drunk, acted like an a$$hat in zone chat, even told a yo-momma joke in zone that had everyone lolling. ( I can't take credit for that joke either, I'm not that clever and I stole it from a guildy)

    Yes, dueling can last a long time, but your building for a 1v1 application and environment. Your not really running around with any group support skills or having things like purge or rapid on your bar (you could argue that, but I wouldn't be running those things in duels myself) whereas in non-vet it pays to have rapid and purge on, well, for me at least.

    But my point was this was not a duel, it was a random occurrence, and it still lasted 10 minutes, I've not encountered this in vet for months and months. Mike, I used that example but I could have used many more, as it happens a lot. Well, maybe not a lot, but In a four hour session I'd find at least one random 1v1 encounter to last 5+ minutes.
    Been here since Feb 2014 - You'd think I'd be half reasonable at this game by now...

    A'marta - AD Sorc Tank
    Kijima - AD DK Derps
    Annure - AD NB Derps
    Boom Crash Opera - AD Sorc DPS

  • Cody
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    All of the above
    how about more people who dont know what the hell is going on so you can wtf pwn everybody... what thats not an option?

    must.....click.....lol....button

    on a side note, I made a magicka NB:D who will soon come into BB and kill Ezareth multiple times(I hope) as well as anyone else I can get my hands on.
  • hammayolettuce
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    Time to kill is longer
    Cody wrote: »
    how about more people who dont know what the hell is going on so you can wtf pwn everybody... what thats not an option?

    must.....click.....lol....button

    on a side note, I made a magicka NB:D who will soon come into BB and kill Ezareth multiple times(I hope) as well as anyone else I can get my hands on.

    Should be easy, he dies a lot :joy:
    Snü (Magicka DK) ♥ Thnu (Stamplar) ♥ Pizza for Breakfast (Magplar) ♥ Sparklefingers (Magicka Sorc) ♥
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  • Cody
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    All of the above
    Ezareth!!!!! why were you not on when I was on??????? How can i defeat you in glorious dodge roll spam filled combat if i never see you???
  • IxSTALKERxI
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    All of the above
    #Vote Nigel
    NA | PC | Aldmeri Dominion
    Laser Eyes AR 26 Arcanist | Stalker V AR 41 Warden | I Stalker I AR 42 NB | Stalkersaurus AR 31 Templar | Stalker Ill AR 31 Sorc | Nigel the Great of Blackwater
    Former Emperor x11 campaign cycles
    Venatus Officer | RIP RÁGE | YouTube Channel
  • CP5
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    All of the above
    Ezareth wrote: »
    mcurley wrote: »
    Because I don't have a Veteran Ranked hero so I figured I should stay out of Veteran Ranked PVP until I do.

    BB is AMAZINGLY fun though. It really tests players' skills instead of their min/maxed gear.

    Last night I was solo ganking around Roe (I think) and came across another DCer who was probably doing the same thing but was caught by a group of 3 AD. I jumped into the action and we ended up killing all 3 of the AD and another 2-3 more that came as backup before we were laid to rest by overwhelming numbers. SO MUCH FUN.

    I wish I could remember the name of my DC partner in battle because he was a damn good player.

    There are a lot of great DC players on BWB right now ( ;

    Except for those zerg happy farmers... (grrr, <-- is still mad).
  • Armitas
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    All of the above
    ZOS dropped these BS skills on us like a child on a doorstep then walked off to do console for months. The newb campaign is the only break we can get from it. I think it may be the only thing saving PvP for many players right now.
    Retired.
    Nord mDK
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