Improving On ESO S01E03) Small Scale PVP And Arena Also A Voting Poll

Heromofo

Yes i would like to see small scale pvp (Explain Below)

UrQuan wrote: »

Well, I'm not going to vote on this poll because I'm really not a PVP player, and so any vote that I gave would therefore be horribly uninformed. I'll leave it to the PVPers to vote on what they think is good for PVP.

I will say that I am firmly of the opinion that the PVP crowd needs some attention. Aside from balancing issues, there really hasn't been a whole heck of a lot done for PVP since release.

Quan you can vote mate just do it to your best Judgement your comment here will show what you feel.

UrQuan

Heromofo wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Well, I'm not going to vote on this poll because I'm really not a PVP player, and so any vote that I gave would therefore be horribly uninformed. I'll leave it to the PVPers to vote on what they think is good for PVP.

I will say that I am firmly of the opinion that the PVP crowd needs some attention. Aside from balancing issues, there really hasn't been a whole heck of a lot done for PVP since release.

Quan you can vote mate just do it to your best Judgement your comment here will show what you feel.

Nah, I think an uninformed vote is worse than no vote at all (that's how certain terrible terrible politicians end up in office... Not naming any names, but as a Canadian let's just say I'm unhappy with some of our leadership), and frankly I just don't know enough about PVP to be informed, and I don't care enough about it to do the research. I want there to be more stuff for PVPers to do, because I think catering to the different portions of the player base is good for the game, but I'm hardly in any sort of position to say what would actually be good for PVP and what wouldn't...

Heromofo

Yes i would like to see small scale pvp (Explain Below)

UrQuan wrote: »

Heromofo wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Well, I'm not going to vote on this poll because I'm really not a PVP player, and so any vote that I gave would therefore be horribly uninformed. I'll leave it to the PVPers to vote on what they think is good for PVP.

I will say that I am firmly of the opinion that the PVP crowd needs some attention. Aside from balancing issues, there really hasn't been a whole heck of a lot done for PVP since release.

Quan you can vote mate just do it to your best Judgement your comment here will show what you feel.

Nah, I think an uninformed vote is worse than no vote at all (that's how certain terrible terrible politicians end up in office... Not naming any names, but as a Canadian let's just say I'm unhappy with some of our leadership), and frankly I just don't know enough about PVP to be informed, and I don't care enough about it to do the research. I want there to be more stuff for PVPers to do, because I think catering to the different portions of the player base is good for the game, but I'm hardly in any sort of position to say what would actually be good for PVP and what wouldn't...

O dam what a good burn lol

dafox187

Other ( I Have a different thought on this) (Explain Below)

i love this discussion series my other is just adding another thing that allowes a mini-war were u are pared with a team and have a war on just the other team for a week

Heromofo

Yes i would like to see small scale pvp (Explain Below)

dafox187 wrote: »

i love this discussion series my other is just adding another thing that allowes a mini-war were u are pared with a team and have a war on just the other team for a week

Thank you bud only one chapter left also if you can when they finish it can you copy and paste it here as well.

Your pal
Heromofo

cazlonb16_ESO

Heromofo wrote: »

cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »

Small scale PvP will not "save ESO", or have any meaningful impact.

Just look at GW2, ArenaNet designed an entire game mode for that and poured all their heart into it. Players still barely noticed and it certainly isn't the reason for the game's success.

Now consider how many resources Zenimax could realistically throw at small scale PvP...Even if there wasn't a mile long backlog of other things promised.

It's ok bud everyone can have an opinion and i choose to believe that this will go a long way to helping eso even if it is just dueling brought in.

Personally I'd like to see a system like Warhammer had, with small scale PvP maps tying into the greater AvA effort ( basically your faction had to score a certain amount of points in the Cyrodiil like mass PvP areas plus the mini games, capture the flag, king of the hill, etc, to unlock access to the imperial city. The maps and variety of game modes in WAR was great ).

That game is dead though.

The reality is that PvPers are a minority in theme park games and implementing something like WAR's small scale maps would take serious effort and resources Zenimax evidently do not have available.

Athas24

Yes i would like to see small scale pvp (Explain Below)

I Want it ALL!!!

Heromofo

Yes i would like to see small scale pvp (Explain Below)

cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »

Heromofo wrote: »

cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »

Small scale PvP will not "save ESO", or have any meaningful impact.

Just look at GW2, ArenaNet designed an entire game mode for that and poured all their heart into it. Players still barely noticed and it certainly isn't the reason for the game's success.

Now consider how many resources Zenimax could realistically throw at small scale PvP...Even if there wasn't a mile long backlog of other things promised.

It's ok bud everyone can have an opinion and i choose to believe that this will go a long way to helping eso even if it is just dueling brought in.

Personally I'd like to see a system like Warhammer had, with small scale PvP maps tying into the greater AvA effort ( basically your faction had to score a certain amount of points in the Cyrodiil like mass PvP areas plus the mini games, capture the flag, king of the hill, etc, to unlock access to the imperial city. The maps and variety of game modes in WAR was great ).

That game is dead though.

The reality is that PvPers are a minority in theme park games and implementing something like WAR's small scale maps would take serious effort and resources Zenimax evidently do not have available.

R.I.P Warhammer online
It was a good game i was spewin to see it decline so quickly but at least it was able to hold off for a few years.
I just hope that ESO does not go down as quickly as that does worry me. But with console sales i reckon they could
Make a big come back.

Heromofo

Yes i would like to see small scale pvp (Explain Below)

Athas24 wrote: »

I Want it ALL!!!

Lol you and me both mate.

Stalwart385

Yes i would like to see small scale pvp (Explain Below)

Has there been any news on enforcers in the justice system? That would be close enough to dueling for me.

Last I had heard it was a distinct project. If it even happens at all.

Heromofo

Yes i would like to see small scale pvp (Explain Below)

Stalwart385 wrote: »

Has there been any news on enforcers in the justice system? That would be close enough to dueling for me.

Last I had heard it was a distinct project. If it even happens at all.

No nothing yet unless a mod wants to chime in here?.

joshisanonymous

No i would not like to see small scale pvp (Explain Below)

No.

No no no no.

FFS, go play literally any other MMO already. They all have this.

And why not make the poll options clear? What you're really asking is if people want arenas/battlegrounds but your poll options are vague enough that someone could vote for "Yes" because they like finding small skirmishes in Cyrodiil.

But really, this subject is ridiculously old.

And no.

Heromofo

Yes i would like to see small scale pvp (Explain Below)

joshisanonymous wrote: »

No.

No no no no.

FFS, go play literally any other MMO already. They all have this.

And why not make the poll options clear? What you're really asking is if people want arenas/battlegrounds but your poll options are vague enough that someone could vote for "Yes" because they like finding small skirmishes in Cyrodiil.

But really, this subject is ridiculously old.

And no.

1. This is my thread i love all feedback but dont tell me what to do
2. My poll is Clear you shouldn't have a problem there
3. This subject is old can be said about most things bud

Xandryah

Yes i would like to see small scale pvp (Explain Below)

PVP is the main reason i un-installed the game along with the unlogic math behind the skills (imo). Too much critical for instance; 1-3 seconds kills; one-shot-kills; or healing is as easy as damaging ( i have the feeling), which should not be so... healing is always more difficult (mathematically) than damaging (just like real life); aoe-spam-dmg-kind of fights (for zerg's sake)

too little diverstiy in general, just those keeps, farms and that's it... too boring

plus the long distances; no resurecction on spot (on your own) > no 2nd round if ganked...

there is no way to test builds... ofc some might say, "go to cyrodil" (..and wait 30 mintues for one 1-3-second-test, and get killed by two or more guys?) they say "your fault if you don't team up.. it's a social game..."
it just does not work like this imo, if you can compare with other games..

i also don't like that one good player can survive 4 normal players and kill them (math-problem> balance etc..)

i dont like that executes (radiant destruction) downed my hp me with 17500 dmg when i was at 85% hp , where 100% hp was around 22000.

overall unacceptable conditions in cyrodil for a healthy and fair and enjoyable pvp experience.

Heromofo

Yes i would like to see small scale pvp (Explain Below)

Xandryah wrote: »

PVP is the main reason i un-installed the game along with the unlogic math behind the skills (imo). Too much critical for instance; 1-3 seconds kills; one-shot-kills; or healing is as easy as damaging ( i have the feeling), which should not be so... healing is always more difficult (mathematically) than damaging (just like real life); aoe-spam-dmg-kind of fights (for zerg's sake)

too little diverstiy in general, just those keeps, farms and that's it... too boring

plus the long distances; no resurecction on spot (on your own) > no 2nd round if ganked...

there is no way to test builds... ofc some might say, "go to cyrodil" (..and wait 30 mintues for one 1-3-second-test, and get killed by two or more guys?) they say "your fault if you don't team up.. it's a social game..."
it just does not work like this imo, if you can compare with other games..

i also don't like that one good player can survive 4 normal players and kill them (math-problem> balance etc..)

i dont like that executes (radiant destruction) downed my hp me with 17500 dmg when i was at 85% hp , where 100% hp was around 22000.

overall unacceptable conditions in cyrodil for a healthy and fair and enjoyable pvp experience.

Not much to add but 100% agree especially testing builds as i would spend hours in wow doing this.

Elloa

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I usually enjoy the smallscale PVP in other games, even if I'm not very good at it. But i enjoyed battleground a lot in WOW, SWTOR, GW2 and Wildstar.

I don't like arenas, but that's just me who prefer casual PVP style, 'cause I'm bad. But I've nothing against them implememented in game.

However, in ESO.... I don't think this would be great nor fun. Or rather, this will only be fun for very good, and experimented players, and for everyone else it will be an endless source of frustration.
I've realised recently the gap between the skills (or capabilities to masterise and play your character) in PVP is huuuuge. Casual pvp players that have more or less no clue of what they are doing, copy-paste builds from other players but can't play them, or just play with their Dungeon or Questing build have no chance against players that truelly masterise their character. In games like WOW, and the likes, the game balance the classes, and while there is still gap between players skills, the gap is more forgiving, and casual players can have their fun, train themselves and becoming better.
In ESO, I do not see this happening. The skills difference is too huge, hidden game mechanic such as animation canceled and others, and the infinite possibilities to build characters, will create an immence gap between good players and bad players, and small scale PVP will only be fun for one part of the population.

So I don't know really... I think if a system like this was ever implemented in ESO we would need to be sure that casual players could enjoy themselves as much as true PVPers. Maybe organise some "training ground" where players can just experiment themselves without getting any reward, encourage true pvpers to get into the other battleground to get rewards, and/or compete with others.

Heromofo

Yes i would like to see small scale pvp (Explain Below)

Elloa wrote: »

I usually enjoy the smallscale PVP in other games, even if I'm not very good at it. But i enjoyed battleground a lot in WOW, SWTOR, GW2 and Wildstar.

I don't like arenas, but that's just me who prefer casual PVP style, 'cause I'm bad. But I've nothing against them implememented in game.

However, in ESO.... I don't think this would be great nor fun. Or rather, this will only be fun for very good, and experimented players, and for everyone else it will be an endless source of frustration.
I've realised recently the gap between the skills (or capabilities to masterise and play your character) in PVP is huuuuge. Casual pvp players that have more or less no clue of what they are doing, copy-paste builds from other players but can't play them, or just play with their Dungeon or Questing build have no chance against players that truelly masterise their character. In games like WOW, and the likes, the game balance the classes, and while there is still gap between players skills, the gap is more forgiving, and casual players can have their fun, train themselves and becoming better.
In ESO, I do not see this happening. The skills difference is too huge, hidden game mechanic such as animation canceled and others, and the infinite possibilities to build characters, will create an immence gap between good players and bad players, and small scale PVP will only be fun for one part of the population.

So I don't know really... I think if a system like this was ever implemented in ESO we would need to be sure that casual players could enjoy themselves as much as true PVPers. Maybe organise some "training ground" where players can just experiment themselves without getting any reward, encourage true pvpers to get into the other battleground to get rewards, and/or compete with others.

@Elloa
Yeah training grounds would work well but they could also look at non champion point versions as well so casual players have a chance.

They would also have to limit stealth time by adding in a new way of limiting how long someone fan stay stealthed in arena.

Like every 5 seconds you stay stealthed you become 25 percent more visible.

nothing2591

Yes i would like to see small scale pvp (Explain Below)

this is like the only reason i play this game, my computer cant handle large scale and neither can the server (most of the time) , but its also the reason why i get so angry with the game all the time.

All good smallscale pvp ideas. What i usually do is take a resource and wait for someone to retake it 9 out of 10 times theres a zerg showing up and i die.

Heromofo

Yes i would like to see small scale pvp (Explain Below)

nothing2591 wrote: »

this is like the only reason i play this game, my computer cant handle large scale and neither can the server (most of the time) , but its also the reason why i get so angry with the game all the time.

All good smallscale pvp ideas. What i usually do is take a resource and wait for someone to retake it 9 out of 10 times theres a zerg showing up and i die.

No one should be forced to go to these lengths plus i am also a huge fan of small scale pvp simply because they cant handle large scale pvp.

Heromofo

Yes i would like to see small scale pvp (Explain Below)

Thread has been updated and includes a lot more info also thanks to another forum user for the a video.
Not happy after seeing that video zos time to go into detail as to why small scale pvp is not available in the game.

TheSunAlsoRises

Yes i would like to see small scale pvp (Explain Below)

i love small scale pvp and 1v1. one of the reason i had quit ESO last year was due to the lack of it. my favourite MMO was WoW and the open world PvP was what made it great for me. maybe if they implement zones where you can quest and pvp (not cyrodil) like a craglorn where all 3 factions can play in at once.

Layght

Very need pvp arena !!!!!!!!!! <3_<3

Pirhana7_ESO

The problem is too many recent games held your hand to create a specific battle for you like area matches and now people don't seem to know how to find the fight they want unless it is created for you. Too often i see the "I dont like Cyrodiil because I dont like zergs or massive battles, I want 1v1 or 4v4"

Well everything you want is actually in Cyrodiil, you just need to know where to find it. All the 1v1 and skrimishes are there, just dont expect them if you follow the zerg or go to keep seiges and defenses. You can find these 1v1 everywhere between hotspots and port routes, these are also in the towns that gives quests. if you want 4v4 again these are there, groups will roam on the edge of hot spots and supply lines, just take a roaming group out and you will find these. if you want to gank or have the opened pvp server feel again these are there, go to teh enemies terrtory and roam dungeons and quests locations.

The only requirment is you have to play on the main campaign which is generally the full one with a que,

p_tsakirisb16_ESO

No i would not like to see small scale pvp (Explain Below)

This poll is rigged.

By voting yes, you vote for to Arena PVP actually as per post.

Go play another game if you want this feature.
FFS is not something you didn't knew since 2012 that this game ain't going to have Arena PVP.

shoo shoo. you destroy a damn good game.

SAY NO TO WOW CLONING

jkemmery

Yes i would like to see small scale pvp (Explain Below)

I'm not sure what the solution is, but the lag from zerg blobs spamming meteor, negate, Jesus Beams, magica detonation and who knows what else is at times ridiculous.

One thing I would love to see is something that prevents players from literally standing inside one another. Another thing that could help to spread things out is to award fewer AP and XP if a player is even in close proximity to an ally. So say if an ally is closer than 3 meters from you your AP/XP gain for a kill is 75%, closer than 2 meters 50%, closer than a meter 25% and if you are touching 0%. Also make the armor go down and/or damage to a player go up correspondingly if they are close to allies. This would spread things out and possibly take care of lag for big groups.

Another idea would be to have instanced dungeons and/or cities that limit the number of players to something like 6 per faction. When that instance if full, when someone enters the area it is in a different instance. This way the total number of players fighting one another in the area is kept to a manageable minimum.

Heromofo

Yes i would like to see small scale pvp (Explain Below)

Pirhana7_ESO wrote: »

The problem is too many recent games held your hand to create a specific battle for you like area matches and now people don't seem to know how to find the fight they want unless it is created for you. Too often i see the "I dont like Cyrodiil because I dont like zergs or massive battles, I want 1v1 or 4v4"

Well everything you want is actually in Cyrodiil, you just need to know where to find it. All the 1v1 and skrimishes are there, just dont expect them if you follow the zerg or go to keep seiges and defenses. You can find these 1v1 everywhere between hotspots and port routes, these are also in the towns that gives quests. if you want 4v4 again these are there, groups will roam on the edge of hot spots and supply lines, just take a roaming group out and you will find these. if you want to gank or have the opened pvp server feel again these are there, go to teh enemies terrtory and roam dungeons and quests locations.

The only requirment is you have to play on the main campaign which is generally the full one with a que,

AvAvA is great

And i understand abit of the hold your hand dilemma.
but there are many forms of pvp you just cannot have in Cyrodiil bud.
As well as your campaign can be full and you must wait to get in.
So it would be great to have other forms (wow was the worst for me and i think my longest record goes 13-14 hours running wsg over and over in quick premade games). All i can say is really have a good read of the thread then watch the youtube video as it shows you ESO arena used for quake con.



Look i also pulled this from episode one man:


This is part of my housing episode s01e01.

☆ Possible PVP Side

You can set a chest in a location in or around your house and fill it with a gold amount of your choosing.
You then set the option to have it alerted that you have x amount of gold hidden (people from gta online know this system).
The person looking for these things simply go to a board in game near thieves guild when its in and click to accept the job but they have to match the money.
If they choose it the house player is alerted and must accept or decline and if they accept they are teleported to their house and the other attacker is teleported to the edge of the property.
They have 30 minutes to complete this pvp.
The attacker can sneak past the other without getting noticed and can take the gold and leave or simply killing the other player.
The defender must track down the attacker and stop him by killing him if successful he then claims the attackers gold that was set up before hand.

Just to clarify on this it is a toggle thing you do not have to do this. Pvpers would purchase these chests and fill them with x amount gold and once placed they can choose to send the message when they are ready. Anyone that wishes to do these can click on a pvp tab and type someone's name in or choose random. You will also have to put the gold amount you wish to bet so say 1500 - 1999 gold it will then show any games people have within that amount. So say a game is found and the bet is 1600. Then if you have the gold in your bags you can choose to accept and should the other player accept as well then your both teleported. This should help clarify things and sorry about that.


Read the rest on episode one this is just a little bit.

Heromofo

Yes i would like to see small scale pvp (Explain Below)

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

This poll is rigged.

By voting yes, you vote for to Arena PVP actually as per post.

Go play another game if you want this feature.
FFS is not something you didn't knew since 2012 that this game ain't going to have Arena PVP.

shoo shoo. you destroy a damn good game.

SAY NO TO WOW CLONING

First of check your attitude then come back and go again.

Ok good?