Quick Chat - RIP text chat on console

Curragraigue · May 2015

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-05-01-elder-scrolls-online-and-the-turbulent-topic-of-text-chat-on-console

Matt Fior has told a journalist that they are looking to implement a quick chat system in response to a query about the removal of text chat from the console version of the game. No details seem to have been given.

Ser Lobo · May 2015

That's been mentioned before. It's not necessarily new news to the whole debate.

Since that interview, he's also said that they are reconsidering text chat. So we're still waiting to see.

Curragraigue · May 2015

The article was published 12 hours ago. Have you got a source for the reconsideration?

NewBlacksmurf · May 2015

The quick chat should be a very considerable addition as there are a lot of potential buyers who have expressed wanting something more so maybe those buyers will want this.
I enjoyed the game play as it was and didn't feel text chat was needed but the idea of a quick text chat using the emote wheel will be a welcomed addition

Can't wait to get going June 9th.
Nothing new tho but as long as text chat isn't added I'm good
-but that's just my opinion

Pick a side and meet us on the battlefield in Cyrodil June 9th!

Gidorick · May 2015

I agree with @NewBlacksmurf. The ESO UI is unique enough to change the experience just enough to make me eager to give it a go.

Naivefanboi · May 2015

Sooo instead of just adding the chat logs back, theyre gonna create a whole different system.
Sounds. ...efficient
Oh well guild stores took a few tries. maybe 1 day we can even set withdraw limits for guild bank/members?

Zazaaji · May 2015

At the main topic of this post:
The quick select chat system, which is confirmed to have already-made "common" phrases, sounds questionable to me if it's enough to sway me to buy the console edition again. I'll need to know all the phrases to be included before I can decide if it's enough to be suitable.
However, if the ability to create your own quick-select chat messages with a few 8-way analog shortcuts, then I'd definitely buy it again, as that'd be enough for me. They already had the emotes selectable onto an 8 way analog choice like this, so they can definitely add custom made phrases too.

Also, just pointing this out:

Curragraigue wrote: »

The article was published 12 hours ago. Have you got a source for the reconsideration?

The article could have been published several days after the interviewer asked the interviewee that question, it's not mentioned when he asked ZoS that question, not when ZoS's answer came in, yet everything else has an exact date. That's kinda..... weird.

Curragraigue · May 2015

Zazaaji wrote: »

At the main topic of this post:
The quick select chat system, which is confirmed to have already-made "common" phrases, sounds questionable to me if it's enough to sway me to buy the console edition again. I'll need to know all the phrases to be included before I can decide if it's enough to be suitable.
However, if the ability to create your own quick-select chat messages with a few 8-way analog shortcuts, then I'd definitely buy it again, as that'd be enough for me. They already had the emotes selectable onto an 8 way analog choice like this, so they can definitely add custom made phrases too.

Also, just pointing this out:

Curragraigue wrote: »

The article was published 12 hours ago. Have you got a source for the reconsideration?

The article could have been published several days after the interviewer asked the interviewee that question, it's not mentioned when he asked ZoS that question, not when ZoS's answer came in, yet everything else has an exact date. That's kinda..... weird.

Yes no date on when the interview occurred I was just pointing out it was a recent article as to why it was relevant. The author was obviously in beta and read the beta section at least.

My question was genuine I haven't seen anything from ZOS where they have said that they are reconsidering including text chat so if @ruze84b14_ESO or anyone else has a source for ZOS saying that they are reconsidering on text chat a link would be appreciated

Zazaaji · May 2015

Curragraigue wrote: »

My question was genuine I haven't seen anything from ZOS where they have said that they are reconsidering including text chat so if @ruze84b14_ESO or anyone else has a source for ZOS saying that they are reconsidering on text chat a link would be appreciated

@Curragraigue
The customer support email I got on 4/29 is the source of that, I posted it in the now closed console text chat thread (bolded relevant parts):

Hi ,

I'm really sorry for the delay of answer, we have been quite busy lately.

We are well aware of the feedback regarding the chat on console and even though it will probably not be available at the release, but this is something we are considering thanks to the feedback from the players as you just did.
Regarding your second question, there is no plan to remove the text chat from the PC version so you don't have to worry about it

I hope I answered to your questions and concerns and I wish you a great day.

Warmest regards,
Yoann
The Elder Scrolls Online Tamriel Unlimited Team

It very, very directly and clearly states that they are reconsidering adding full chat support again.

Curragraigue · May 2015

Thanks @Zazaaji I would probably take more comfort in it if it wasn't coming from CS given how they have been wrong or inconsistent on a few things. Any glimmer of hope is good though

Uberkull · May 2015

Curragraigue wrote: »

Zazaaji wrote: »

At the main topic of this post:
The quick select chat system, which is confirmed to have already-made "common" phrases, sounds questionable to me if it's enough to sway me to buy the console edition again. I'll need to know all the phrases to be included before I can decide if it's enough to be suitable.
However, if the ability to create your own quick-select chat messages with a few 8-way analog shortcuts, then I'd definitely buy it again, as that'd be enough for me. They already had the emotes selectable onto an 8 way analog choice like this, so they can definitely add custom made phrases too.

Also, just pointing this out:

Curragraigue wrote: »

The article was published 12 hours ago. Have you got a source for the reconsideration?

The article could have been published several days after the interviewer asked the interviewee that question, it's not mentioned when he asked ZoS that question, not when ZoS's answer came in, yet everything else has an exact date. That's kinda..... weird.

Yes no date on when the interview occurred I was just pointing out it was a recent article as to why it was relevant. The author was obviously in beta and read the beta section at least.

My question was genuine I haven't seen anything from ZOS where they have said that they are reconsidering including text chat so if @ruze84b14_ESO or anyone else has a source for ZOS saying that they are reconsidering on text chat a link would be appreciated

Here...Link

Zazaaji · May 2015

uberkull wrote: »

Here...Link

That says nothing at all about them reconsidering adding it. "Passing the information" doesn't mean anything along those lines in developer speak.

Uberkull · May 2015

Zazaaji wrote: »

uberkull wrote: »

Here...Link

That says nothing at all about them reconsidering adding it. "Passing the information" doesn't mean anything along those lines in developer speak.

It's 14 pages, a poll that represents 268 people that visit this forum. It's a start to get a response.

If you want, start by emailing support and asking yourself instead of asking others to find proof. Just saying.

Ser Lobo · May 2015

uberkull wrote: »

Zazaaji wrote: »

uberkull wrote: »

Here...Link

That says nothing at all about them reconsidering adding it. "Passing the information" doesn't mean anything along those lines in developer speak.

It's 14 pages, a poll that represents 268 people that visit this forum. It's a start to get a response.

It's a small group of players almost entirely PC based. As Zazaaji said, it wasn't related to the topic.

Mirra_Halfelven · May 2015

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

It's a small group of players almost entirely PC based. As Zazaaji said, it wasn't related to the topic.

Almost all the replys on the Eurogamers article page are against the removal of text chat too, let me guess ... they don't count either right?

Ser Lobo · May 2015

Mirra_Halfelven wrote: »

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

It's a small group of players almost entirely PC based. As Zazaaji said, it wasn't related to the topic.

Almost all the replys on the Eurogamers article page are against the removal of text chat too, let me guess ... they don't count either right?

Count? Yes. Are traditional MMO players the target audience? I don't believe so. But that logic seems to be very hard for those who have PC origins to understand.

Console players won't feel betrayed by a lack of text chat, in my opinion.

bedlom · May 2015

I like the idea of being able to have your characters actually having voicable conversations to some extent.

Still think we need an optional chat box also though.

Curragraigue · May 2015

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

Mirra_Halfelven wrote: »

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

It's a small group of players almost entirely PC based. As Zazaaji said, it wasn't related to the topic.

Almost all the replys on the Eurogamers article page are against the removal of text chat too, let me guess ... they don't count either right?

Count? Yes. Are traditional MMO players the target audience? I don't believe so. But that logic seems to be very hard for those who have PC origins to understand.

Console players won't feel betrayed by a lack of text chat, in my opinion.

Having text chat in a MMO isn't a purely PC origin issue. DCUO and FFXIV are both on console with text chat. If you look at FFXIV and the fully customisable HUD and ease of access to both voice and text chat it looks light years ahead on customisable communication systems for console compared to ESO.

If they want to try something different and go only voice chat it is going to alienate some people. I personally think the poll that uberkull did is useful because the importance or relevance of text chat to the game for console is something that people that have been playing the game for some time are more likely to know. I did the FFXIV beta and hated text chat because coming from a console multiplayer background I was only using voice chat. Having played ESO for a year now I still prefer voice chat but I've come to appreciate the benefits that type chat has and the importance it plays in some elements of gameplay, particularly in Cyrodiil for the Alliance war.

Could a quick chat resolve some issues, probably given the right means of communication and selections to choose from. Is it likely to assist with everything that type chat currently provides that voice chat can't, probably not imo.

Sausage · May 2015

I cant believe they removed it in first place. ESO is going to attract all kind of people. Of course there needs to be chat.

Btw. it happens already in PC too. Theres two kind of people in Cyrodil, those who prefer TS-raids and those who prefer text-chats.

Zazaaji · May 2015

uberkull wrote: »

Zazaaji wrote: »

uberkull wrote: »

Here...Link

That says nothing at all about them reconsidering adding it. "Passing the information" doesn't mean anything along those lines in developer speak.

It's 14 pages, a poll that represents 268 people that visit this forum. It's a start to get a response.

If you want, start by emailing support and asking yourself instead of asking others to find proof. Just saying.

@uberkull
Uh...... I never ONCE asked for proof, that was someone else. In fact, I was the one that already did the email and provided the proof that you just told me to do..... 3 days ago.

Fruity_Ninja · May 2015

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

Mirra_Halfelven wrote: »

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

It's a small group of players almost entirely PC based. As Zazaaji said, it wasn't related to the topic.

Almost all the replys on the Eurogamers article page are against the removal of text chat too, let me guess ... they don't count either right?

Count? Yes. Are traditional MMO players the target audience? I don't believe so. But that logic seems to be very hard for those who have PC origins to understand.

Console players won't feel betrayed by a lack of text chat, in my opinion.

I'm a console player, and I feel extremely let down by a lack of text chat. My brother and friends who I was planning to transfer over to play ESO on console with, have also expressed some disbelief.

Uberkull · May 2015

Zazaaji wrote: »

uberkull wrote: »

Zazaaji wrote: »

uberkull wrote: »

Here...Link

That says nothing at all about them reconsidering adding it. "Passing the information" doesn't mean anything along those lines in developer speak.

It's 14 pages, a poll that represents 268 people that visit this forum. It's a start to get a response.

If you want, start by emailing support and asking yourself instead of asking others to find proof. Just saying.

Have you even read this thread, or just glanced at the usernames or something?

Probably didn't, was too busy typing something else...in another console game chat box, Warframe...

Zazaaji · May 2015

uberkull wrote: »

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That was a great movie.

I do the same though, but with Neverwinter. At least there is a MMORPG (Warframe is much more shooter than rpg) with proper text chat on XB1.

Robo_Hobo · May 2015

So long as I can turn the voice chat off I might get it. It'd be nice to have quick chat or a chat box but it wouldn't be a deal breaker for me. I just don't use voice chat, don't want to, don't want to hear it, but if I can atleast turn it off I'd be fine playing completely unable to communicate with anyone. I'm a solo player anyway.

Naivefanboi · May 2015

Robo_Hobo wrote: »

So long as I can turn the voice chat off I might get it. It'd be nice to have quick chat or a chat box but it wouldn't be a deal breaker for me. I just don't use voice chat, don't want to, don't want to hear it, but if I can atleast turn it off I'd be fine playing completely unable to communicate with anyone. I'm a solo player anyway.

yea you can mute individual players or just leave the channel completely. at least thats how beta was.

Robo_Hobo · May 2015

Ah cool, good to know, thanks.

pecheckler · May 2015

Good luck trading without any form of text chat.

Even tasks as simple as linking loot to a group after a boss kill becomes impossible with what was provided in the console beta test.

StaticWax · May 2015

There is such a lack of credit being given to players being able to think outside the box.

People complain about games being clones of other games. Then when a game steps out of the box, these same people cry fowl; "you can't change that!".

I hope Zen sticks to their vision and leaves it out & doesn't let some high pitched vocal minority ruin something that could make this game unlike other world reducing, faux MMO lobby games. This game could be unique, Imagine that... You may have to travel to a (gulp) city to trade? Oh heavens... you mean I may have to speak? Out loud? Mercy...

Most console players will not use text chat. This is a non issue. And giving a global or zone wide advantage to the minority of players who would use it is one of the worst mistakes that could be made.

NewBlacksmurf · May 2015

StaticWax wrote: »

There is such a lack of credit being given to players being able to think outside the box.

People complain about games being clones of other games. Then when a game steps out of the box, these same people cry fowl; "you can't change that!".

I hope Zen sticks to their vision and leaves it out & doesn't let some high pitched vocal minority ruin something that could make this game unlike other world reducing, faux MMO lobby games. This game could be unique, Imagine that... You may have to travel to a (gulp) city to trade? Oh heavens... you mean I may have to speak? Out loud? Mercy...

Most console players will not use text chat. This is a non issue. And giving a global or zone wide advantage to the minority of players who would use it is one of the worst mistakes that could be made.

:-)
Imagine that. Thanks for commenting

Heromofo · May 2015

uberkull wrote: »

Zazaaji wrote: »

uberkull wrote: »

Here...Link

That says nothing at all about them reconsidering adding it. "Passing the information" doesn't mean anything along those lines in developer speak.

It's 14 pages, a poll that represents 268 people that visit this forum. It's a start to get a response.

If you want, start by emailing support and asking yourself instead of asking others to find proof. Just saying.

Uber is righr guy's they did indeed support chat comming to consoles because of that link just not to expect it right away.

Darkonflare15 · May 2015

pecheckler wrote: »

Good luck trading without any form of text chat.

Even tasks as simple as linking loot to a group after a boss kill becomes impossible with what was provided in the console beta test.

I trade by using a trading guild and the guild traders. I stop trading by chat since launch. Its going be even trading this way now I do not have to worry about people selling items for ridiculous low prices in text chat.