Vampirism Still worth it?

Lazrael

So, I am playing an Imperial Stamina NB and I'd like to know, is it worth it for me to stay a Vampire? Should I drop it? Should I become WW?
(I want to be proficient in PVP and PVE)

And so everyone gets something out of this. Is Vampirism worth it for anybody anymore.

Would love to read everyone's thoughts.

UrQuan

Vampirism is worth it if your build is going to make good use of the skills it gives you (which, aside from the ultimate, are magicka-based, so as a stamina build that may factor into your decision). Otherwise, it's not, because the drawbacks (weakness to fire, low health regen) outweigh the benefits from passives.

If you don't PVP, WW is worth it for anyone, even if you're never going to use the transformation, because it gives you a Stamina regen bonus in non-WW form, with no drawbacks. If you do PVP, then it can be a liability because it makes you vulnerable to Fighters Guild abilities (Vamp does as well), but for a stamina build it can still be worth it.

PainfulFAFA

Lazrael wrote: »

So, I am playing an Imperial Stamina NB and I'd like to know, is it worth it for me to stay a Vampire? Should I drop it? Should I become WW?
(I want to be proficient in PVP and PVE)

And so everyone gets something out of this. Is Vampirism worth it for anybody anymore.

Would love to read everyone's thoughts.

When 1.6 released, nobody wanted Vamp because siege was just too much. Vamps were dying from 30k fire ballista ticks but now that siege damage has been toned down, I've noticed vampires have reappeared in Cyrodiil. Fire still hurts big time though but it isnt ridiculous likeit was in 1.6 release. I still can't tell which disease is winning because i see both WW and Vamps all the time.

Regarding bonuses,
Since youre a NB its entirely up to you. My NB is vamp because I like being extra sneaky.

Vamp= stealthier, faster in sneak, magicka/stamina regen +5%
Weaknesses= Fighters guild, fire dmg

WW= max stamina +10%, generate 2 ulti per hit (human form)
Weaknesses= Fighters guild, poison dmg

Lazrael

well see thats what I figure. I would never use the drain (too slow). so right now I am weighing Bat Swam v Soul Tether and Mist Form V Dark Cloak, and what is more viable where. I am a typical Bow and DW kinda guy Btw.

Then there the question of the passives.

ThisOnePosts

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

Lazrael wrote: »

So, I am playing an Imperial Stamina NB and I'd like to know, is it worth it for me to stay a Vampire? Should I drop it? Should I become WW?
(I want to be proficient in PVP and PVE)

And so everyone gets something out of this. Is Vampirism worth it for anybody anymore.

Would love to read everyone's thoughts.

When 1.6 released, nobody wanted Vamp because siege was just too much. Vamps were dying from 30k fire ballista ticks but now that siege damage has been toned down, I've noticed vampires have reappeared in Cyrodiil. Fire still hurts big time though but it isnt ridiculous likeit was in 1.6 release.

Regarding bonuses,
Since youre a NB its entirely up to you.

Vamp= stealthier, faster in sneak, magicka/stamina regen +5%
Weaknesses= Fighters guild, fire dmg

WW= max stamina +10%, generate 2 ulti per hit (human form)
Weaknesses= Fighters guild, poison dmg

The Champion System makes it very easy for Vamps and WWs who use their Ulti to counter Fire/Poison. It's actually great that the CP system allows people to counter almost anything without complete overkill (that we know of as of yet at least).

UrQuan

ViciousWayz wrote: »

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

Lazrael wrote: »

So, I am playing an Imperial Stamina NB and I'd like to know, is it worth it for me to stay a Vampire? Should I drop it? Should I become WW?
(I want to be proficient in PVP and PVE)

And so everyone gets something out of this. Is Vampirism worth it for anybody anymore.

Would love to read everyone's thoughts.

When 1.6 released, nobody wanted Vamp because siege was just too much. Vamps were dying from 30k fire ballista ticks but now that siege damage has been toned down, I've noticed vampires have reappeared in Cyrodiil. Fire still hurts big time though but it isnt ridiculous likeit was in 1.6 release.

Regarding bonuses,
Since youre a NB its entirely up to you.

Vamp= stealthier, faster in sneak, magicka/stamina regen +5%
Weaknesses= Fighters guild, fire dmg

WW= max stamina +10%, generate 2 ulti per hit (human form)
Weaknesses= Fighters guild, poison dmg

The Champion System makes it very easy for Vamps and WWs who use their Ulti to counter Fire/Poison. It's actually great that the CP system allows people to counter almost anything without complete overkill (that we know of as of yet at least).

Actually, that's a very good point. If you're below VR, or still a pretty new VR then there's a lot more risk to being either a vamp or a WW than if you've got a decent number of CPs to spend on mitigating the weaknesses.

jkemmery

I don't think a WW player is susceptible to Fighter's guild attacks unless you are transformed. Correct me if I'm wrong.

UrQuan

jkemmery wrote: »

I don't think a WW player is susceptible to Fighter's guild attacks unless you are transformed. Correct me if I'm wrong.

A WW isn't vulnerable to poison unless transformed, but I was pretty sure they were always susceptible to Fighters Guild attacks... I could definitely be wrong on that, though. Hopefully somebody who knows for sure can chime in.

Lazrael

yeah I'm not sure to be honest. I wouldnt think they would apply when out of WW form. I am VR1 almost 2 btw.

BRogueNZ

Camo hunter will eventually show on your death screen if you make a nuisance of yourself in pvp

I revisited it briefly but hardly worth keeping. Think I knew that already but I'm a sucker for punishment.

Stealth speed and bats is nice but being a plain ol' vanilla gorilla safer.

Besides that, plenty of fire in dungeons and protecting yourself from that with CP, enchants and what have you is waste of what could be other more useful options.

just my opinion

vovus69

WW has no extra stamina regen in non-ww form (or any other form) - just 50%/100% from heavy attacks.

UrQuan

vovus69 wrote: »

WW has no extra stamina regen in non-ww form (or any other form) - just 50%/100% from heavy attacks.

Not true: if you're a WW you get a constant +15% buff (I could be wrong on the percentage, but I believe it's 15%) to your stamina regen. It's not a passive that you purchase, it's just inherent to being a WW, and it shows up on your character screen where other buffs show.

Arunei

Also tossing out there that FG skills won't deal extra damage to a WW until a player takes the passive for it. Yes, everyone will eventually take it if they use any FG skills a lot, but WWs are not inherently weak to FG skills. They're only weak to Poison naturally, and even then only in WW form.

I have a Stam/Mag Templar hybrid as a main and she's a WW, but I've recently started leveling a new Sorc and I've been trying to decide if I want Vamp or WW for her. I'm thinking I'll just go WW; she uses Stam as a secondary resource in case her Mag runs low, and getting higher regen on a source I'm not putting too many points in will help a bit. Plus WWs just look badass when they wolf out.

Eh, except when moving forward. Or backward. They just look so goofy when moving unless they're Sprinting. But the active skills are cool .

Jitterbug

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

Lazrael wrote: »

So, I am playing an Imperial Stamina NB and I'd like to know, is it worth it for me to stay a Vampire? Should I drop it? Should I become WW?
(I want to be proficient in PVP and PVE)

And so everyone gets something out of this. Is Vampirism worth it for anybody anymore.

Would love to read everyone's thoughts.

When 1.6 released, nobody wanted Vamp because siege was just too much. Vamps were dying from 30k fire ballista ticks but now that siege damage has been toned down, I've noticed vampires have reappeared in Cyrodiil. Fire still hurts big time though but it isnt ridiculous likeit was in 1.6 release. I still can't tell which disease is winning because i see both WW and Vamps all the time.

Regarding bonuses,
Since youre a NB its entirely up to you. My NB is vamp because I like being extra sneaky.

Vamp= stealthier, faster in sneak, magicka/stamina regen +5%
Weaknesses= Fighters guild, fire dmg

WW= max stamina +10%, generate 2 ulti per hit (human form)
Weaknesses= Fighters guild, poison dmg

Those numbers are way off, no?

Vamp gets 10%
WW gets 15 to regen not 10 to pool

Lazrael

Anybody who is making effective use of Vampirism on a Stamina NB wanna chime in?

Jitterbug

On topic I wouldnt use devouring swarm over soul tether but might take clouding swarm though.
I would also use dark cloak over elusive mist.
I would never use drain no matter what.

I still am a stamina vamp though, albeit not an NB. And I like it.
The sneak speed is awesome to a degree where I would have to go NIghts Silence if I weren't a vamp and Clouding Swarm is the coolest ulti in the game imo.

Being a vamp fits the flavour of my char and that's enough for me, I also think that's where vamp/ww should be; flavour. Sadly right now ww is more of a min/max must have.

So in conclusion my answer is a bit of a non-answer; it's really up to you.

Lazrael

You think clouding is more effective than devouring. It used to be that devouring was a must. What makes you lean toward clouding?

Jitterbug

More than anything it's the cool factor.

It does have some practical purposes in PvP though where you can attack while invisible.

When grinding groups of mobs in PvE devouring might be better but I don't think it's better than Tether.
Could be wrong though.

Devouring was FOTM a while back but was nerfed several times.

Lazrael

Ah Makes sense. It certainly feels weaker these days. But so has vamp in general. I guess I'll give it another shot. I was just feeling kinda gimped since hitting vet rank. But maybe thats a symptom of hitting vet rank.

Lazrael

Side note do you usually stick to stage 4 or do you try to keep stage 1?

Jitterbug

I stay in stage 4 because the skills are cheaper that way. Even when I don't slot the skills I stay in 4 because I cba to feed :P

Worstluck

I am always a vampire NB, no matter if I am magicka or stamina. I tried WW for a bit, but to be honest, I miss the Dark Stalker passive too much. I like that passive so much as a NB, it just fits my playstyle; it means I don't need to slot Concealed Weapon or use Night's Silence 5pc to have good sneak speed.

For magicka, vamp works well, as the ultimate is really useful, as is mist form. As stamina, it is nice to have dark stalker, and the extra magicka/stamina regen is very nice. Currently I am full on stamina 2h/bow build for pvp and it's working nicely. Dark Stalker is that good, for me at least.

Honestly, with champion points, I do not notice huge amounts of fire damage coming my way. With Rally or heals nearby, siege is not a huge factor. The only time I notice fire damage being an issue is in pve dungeons, so I usually equip some extra fire resist.

I also always stay in stage 4. I never bother to feed, even as stamina. The reduced health regen has never affected my gameplay.

Oh and camo hunter is not as common as it used to be. I see it on my death recount rarely. Back in the day it was very common as was Silver Bolts (which I never see used anymore, ever).

Lazrael

Worstluck wrote: »

I am always a vampire NB, no matter if I am magicka or stamina. I tried WW for a bit, but to be honest, I miss the Dark Stalker passive too much. I like that passive so much as a NB, it just fits my playstyle; it means I don't need to slot Concealed Weapon or use Night's Silence 5pc to have good sneak speed.

For magicka, vamp works well, as the ultimate is really useful, as is mist form. As stamina, it is nice to have dark stalker, and the extra magicka/stamina regen is very nice. Currently I am full on stamina 2h/bow build for pvp and it's working nicely. Dark Stalker is that good, for me at least.

Honestly, with champion points, I do not notice huge amounts of fire damage coming my way. With Rally or heals nearby, siege is not a huge factor. The only time I notice fire damage being an issue is in pve dungeons, so I usually equip some extra fire resist.

I also always stay in stage 4. I never bother to feed, even as stamina. The reduced health regen has never affected my gameplay.

Oh and camo hunter is not as common as it used to be. I see it on my death recount rarely. Back in the day it was very common as was Silver Bolts (which I never see used anymore, ever).

Out of curiosit, since it sounds like you play NB vamp a lot. Do you recomend dark cloak or shadowy cloak, what vamp morphs do you recommend, and what morph of grim focus do you feel is better?

If you don't mind. I'm getting tired of respecing so any opinion you have would be awesome.

Jitterbug

Lazrael wrote: »

Worstluck wrote: »

I am always a vampire NB, no matter if I am magicka or stamina. I tried WW for a bit, but to be honest, I miss the Dark Stalker passive too much. I like that passive so much as a NB, it just fits my playstyle; it means I don't need to slot Concealed Weapon or use Night's Silence 5pc to have good sneak speed.

For magicka, vamp works well, as the ultimate is really useful, as is mist form. As stamina, it is nice to have dark stalker, and the extra magicka/stamina regen is very nice. Currently I am full on stamina 2h/bow build for pvp and it's working nicely. Dark Stalker is that good, for me at least.

Honestly, with champion points, I do not notice huge amounts of fire damage coming my way. With Rally or heals nearby, siege is not a huge factor. The only time I notice fire damage being an issue is in pve dungeons, so I usually equip some extra fire resist.

I also always stay in stage 4. I never bother to feed, even as stamina. The reduced health regen has never affected my gameplay.

Oh and camo hunter is not as common as it used to be. I see it on my death recount rarely. Back in the day it was very common as was Silver Bolts (which I never see used anymore, ever).

Out of curiosit, since it sounds like you play NB vamp a lot. Do you recomend dark cloak or shadowy cloak, what vamp morphs do you recommend, and what morph of grim focus do you feel is better?

If you don't mind. I'm getting tired of respecing so any opinion you have would be awesome.

for pvp:
dark cloak
elusive mist
clouding swarm

Lazrael

Jitterbug wrote: »

Lazrael wrote: »

Worstluck wrote: »

I am always a vampire NB, no matter if I am magicka or stamina. I tried WW for a bit, but to be honest, I miss the Dark Stalker passive too much. I like that passive so much as a NB, it just fits my playstyle; it means I don't need to slot Concealed Weapon or use Night's Silence 5pc to have good sneak speed.

For magicka, vamp works well, as the ultimate is really useful, as is mist form. As stamina, it is nice to have dark stalker, and the extra magicka/stamina regen is very nice. Currently I am full on stamina 2h/bow build for pvp and it's working nicely. Dark Stalker is that good, for me at least.

Honestly, with champion points, I do not notice huge amounts of fire damage coming my way. With Rally or heals nearby, siege is not a huge factor. The only time I notice fire damage being an issue is in pve dungeons, so I usually equip some extra fire resist.

I also always stay in stage 4. I never bother to feed, even as stamina. The reduced health regen has never affected my gameplay.

Oh and camo hunter is not as common as it used to be. I see it on my death recount rarely. Back in the day it was very common as was Silver Bolts (which I never see used anymore, ever).

Out of curiosit, since it sounds like you play NB vamp a lot. Do you recomend dark cloak or shadowy cloak, what vamp morphs do you recommend, and what morph of grim focus do you feel is better?

If you don't mind. I'm getting tired of respecing so any opinion you have would be awesome.

for pvp:
dark cloak
elusive mist
clouding swarm

Thanks a lot!

RDMyers65b14_ESO

Short answer : NO!

Worstluck

Jitterbug wrote: »

Lazrael wrote: »

Worstluck wrote: »

I am always a vampire NB, no matter if I am magicka or stamina. I tried WW for a bit, but to be honest, I miss the Dark Stalker passive too much. I like that passive so much as a NB, it just fits my playstyle; it means I don't need to slot Concealed Weapon or use Night's Silence 5pc to have good sneak speed.

For magicka, vamp works well, as the ultimate is really useful, as is mist form. As stamina, it is nice to have dark stalker, and the extra magicka/stamina regen is very nice. Currently I am full on stamina 2h/bow build for pvp and it's working nicely. Dark Stalker is that good, for me at least.

Honestly, with champion points, I do not notice huge amounts of fire damage coming my way. With Rally or heals nearby, siege is not a huge factor. The only time I notice fire damage being an issue is in pve dungeons, so I usually equip some extra fire resist.

I also always stay in stage 4. I never bother to feed, even as stamina. The reduced health regen has never affected my gameplay.

Oh and camo hunter is not as common as it used to be. I see it on my death recount rarely. Back in the day it was very common as was Silver Bolts (which I never see used anymore, ever).

Out of curiosit, since it sounds like you play NB vamp a lot. Do you recomend dark cloak or shadowy cloak, what vamp morphs do you recommend, and what morph of grim focus do you feel is better?

If you don't mind. I'm getting tired of respecing so any opinion you have would be awesome.

for pvp:
dark cloak
elusive mist
clouding swarm

Yes I use dark cloak for the debuff removal. If I am magicka I will still use Devouring Swarm because getting the heal while wearing Light Armor is pretty nice in a big group of people.

For grim focus I always use Relentless focus. The proc is too unreliable in pvp to rel on, so the stam regen is nice.