Weapon Swap Question

CodyFurlong · May 2015

I just unlocked weapon swapping last night, but I've found an issue with it, that I'm not sue if it's a bug, or is intentional. Basically I put my clanfear, and winged twilight summons on my second action bar, but then when I switch back to my first bar, they both unsummon themselves. What is going on here?

Nestor · May 2015

Most skills you need to have on both bars for them to remain active on weapon swap. So, you have to have your Pets slotted on both bars. Same with most skills that give Buffs.

UrQuan · May 2015

To add to this, for any skill that is a "toggle" skill (ie. you activate it to turn it on, and then activate it again to turn it off) as opposed to being a skill that has an effect for a set period of time, you must have it on both bars if you don't want to lose it when you swap weapons.

If a skill gives you a buff for a set period of time, feel free to use it on one bar, then swap to the other bar. If it's a toggle (like your summoning skills, or like the Magelight skill from the Mages Guild skill line), then if you swap bars it will go away unless you've got it on both bars.

newtinmpls · May 2015

And I think they have to be in the same spot on the bar (i.e. winged twilight on box 5).

UrQuan · May 2015

newtinmpls wrote: »

And I think they have to be in the same spot on the bar (i.e. winged twilight on box 5).

Really? Interesting. I always put them on the same spot because I put them in the spot where I expect them to be (if I'm playing one of my sorcerers, and I'm using a Clannfear it always goes on slot 4, and if I'm using a Winged Twilight it always goes on slot 5). I'll have to play around with putting them in different slots to test this out.

Hookgrin · May 2015

They can be in different slots. When leveling a character, I often have a slot or two on each bar that is mostly unused so I will throw some ability on there just so that it can get some xp and level up. As a result, I often have odd skills in different locations on each bar until I unlock the ability that I really want in that location. So I have toggles and what not mixed up all the time.

newtinmpls · May 2015

Hookgrin wrote: »

They can be in different slots. When leveling a character, I often have a slot or two on each bar that is mostly unused so I will throw some ability on there just so that it can get some xp and level up. As a result, I often have odd skills in different locations on each bar until I unlock the ability that I really want in that location. So I have toggles and what not mixed up all the time.

ARgh! And I thought I was chaotic.

CodyFurlong · May 2015

Sigh, I'm going to have to completely re do my character now! They should change it, so if you toggle an ability on, on one bar, it stays on when you switch. I was hoping to put my familiars and bound armor on the second bar, so I would have room for all my attack abillites on the first bar.

newtinmpls · May 2015

Hold on there - it's not 'abilities' that don't stay - it's just summoned bits (critters, armor).

So when my character does Thunderous Presence (the 'turn to lightning' sorc ability) I can swap to my other bar and it's still working.

UrQuan · May 2015

CodyFurlong wrote: »

Sigh, I'm going to have to completely re do my character now! They should change it, so if you toggle an ability on, on one bar, it stays on when you switch. I was hoping to put my familiars and bound armor on the second bar, so I would have room for all my attack abillites on the first bar.

And that's exactly why they don't have it work like that. If it did, sorcerers would be way more powerful than other classes, because they have access to way more toggle abilities, so they could have all of the toggles active and still have an entire bar of other abilities to use at the same time, while other classes wouldn't be able match that.

newtinmpls · May 2015

Well in a way this is a little mini-version of the fact that this game is all about making choices.

Guess now would be a good time to wander over to the "I want my [everything] account wide" discussions...

EramTheLiar · May 2015

The summoning thing is definitely frustrating, but it's intentionally so. You get to have an always-on power, but the sacrifice you make is that it takes up a slot for something else. This gets worse when you find a lot of different tempting toggle powers -- it would be great to have my Cleanfear out while I'm running Inner Light and Bound Aegis, but that would leave me with only two slots on each bar for actual combat-related powers, and I'll want one of those four to be Hardened Ward, so that's only THREE slots left over for actual combat powers. Oh, and Thundering Presence! I love that power. OK, two actual target-and-fire combat powers.

Uh... hm.

Yep. All about the choices.

ShadowMage · May 2015

Hookgrin wrote: »

They can be in different slots. When leveling a character, I often have a slot or two on each bar that is mostly unused so I will throw some ability on there just so that it can get some xp and level up. As a result, I often have odd skills in different locations on each bar until I unlock the ability that I really want in that location. So I have toggles and what not mixed up all the time.

Is this something that was changed recently? When I unlocked the swap a month or so ago, I just added skills randomly or as I got them to my second bar. One of those was the clannfear, and it happened to be in different slots. When I swapped weapons, it de-summoned. When I put it in the same slot, it would stay.

Nestor · May 2015

I will have to test this. I tend to put skills on the same position just so I don't have to remember where they are on each bar. I never even thought of mixing them up on the bars.