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c.p.garrett1993_ESO wrote: »-disagree
I'm not sure if you're trolling or you just don't feel like contributing to the topic.
Thanks for the free bump either way.
If you are being serious you should elaborate.
Do you think subscribers deserve more for less? Or do you think the current model is fine as is?
If you're disagreeing with my suggestion for an alternative model, it was merely an example and not intended as a legitimate model that should be put into effect.
c.p.garrett1993_ESO wrote: »-disagree
I'm not sure if you're trolling or you just don't feel like contributing to the topic.
Thanks for the free bump either way.
If you are being serious you should elaborate.
Do you think subscribers deserve more for less? Or do you think the current model is fine as is?
If you're disagreeing with my suggestion for an alternative model, it was merely an example and not intended as a legitimate model that should be put into effect.
Well it was a free bump was waiting to see what people would say in regards to this.
For me i would have to explain abit:
At work me and my work partner spend alot of time reving people up for eso console mainly ps4.
We talk alot about subbing and we even agree its not worth subbing at all atm.
Alot of feedback came down to these suggestions if you would like to see.
1. Each month they could give x amount of gold to the subber
2. If someone was to sub for 6 months then any dlc in that time should become their's after it finishes also more character slots.
3. Subscribers could be boosted by giving 2 extra slots for characters, 50 percent more bag/bank stuff and dlc becomes yours over time the more you sub.
4. Last but not least a reward for subbing for 3 months and 6 months.
Aett_Thorn wrote: »Subscription has a benefit to any company: it is stable, expected money. As such, it is BETTER than burst income. Therefore, they SHOULD get more benefits than someone just making one-time purchases.
This is why long-term subscriptions, even with their reduced cost per month, still get the 1,500 crown points per month, not a reduced amount.
The subscription could be 20 dollars a month and it wouldn't bother me personally but it may cause one hell of a crap storm with others.
@c.p.garrett1993_ESOc.p.garrett1993_ESO wrote: »The subscription could be 20 dollars a month and it wouldn't bother me personally but it may cause one hell of a crap storm with others.
I don't think I would pay that much. Neither would many other players.
However, if you are fine with it I am sure others are. As long as people are willing to pay for the additional benefits I am more than open to and willing to discuss the concept.
In fact, I would honestly prefer to see multiple tiers of membership that can offer more benefits and crowns to those who are willing to pay for it.
@Zosc.p.garrett1993_ESO wrote: »The subscription could be 20 dollars a month and it wouldn't bother me personally but it may cause one hell of a crap storm with others.
I don't think I would pay that much. Neither would many other players.
However, if you are fine with it I am sure others are. As long as people are willing to pay for the additional benefits I am more than open to and willing to discuss the concept.
In fact, I would honestly prefer to see multiple tiers of membership that can offer more benefits and crowns to those who are willing to pay for it.
Uuuum that is a brillant idea would you be willing to make a poll for that in detail because that may be the answer zos needs to this problem.
If I subscribe to a monthly magazine I want monthly content that I'm personally interested in. PERIOD.
That's it. Sell me something I want, once a month. Crowns? I don't give a damn. Subscriber perks? I don't give a damn.
I want to see:
• New Skills
• New Options (enchants, traits, sets, styles, etc.)
• Episodic Monthly Content
(ex: "Next month we're releasing a new 8 hour quest in a long line of quests we'll be releasing this year, one every month, called 'The Deep Cost', exploring the fate of the Falmer. This content is free to subscribers or $15 per installment. Each month will feature at least one new addition such as new armour or weapon styles, set bonuses, new enchantments, and so on. We will be offering season passes at a discount when we begin the next season 'Mysteries of Akavir' next year. Stay tuned!")
I don't rightly give a damn about a digital currency system that has no reason to exist nor actually functions like a currency. Just say "your account has $15 of credits" not some juvenile "your account has 1500 crowns", it's literally no different. Not like we're out converting in game gold into crowns or trading crowns between players, it's not an ACTUAL currency and as such it is meaningless to call something other than what it is: STORE CREDIT.
Studios make content, some of them make content I like, and I pay money for content I like. The relationship is literally that effin' simple. Ex: ZOS made a horse that's on fire, I like animals that can be lit on fire, thus I bought a horse that is permanently burning alive (and is fantastically totally cool with it).
@c.p.garret1993_ESOc.p.garrett1993_ESO wrote: »@Zosc.p.garrett1993_ESO wrote: »The subscription could be 20 dollars a month and it wouldn't bother me personally but it may cause one hell of a crap storm with others.
I don't think I would pay that much. Neither would many other players.
However, if you are fine with it I am sure others are. As long as people are willing to pay for the additional benefits I am more than open to and willing to discuss the concept.
In fact, I would honestly prefer to see multiple tiers of membership that can offer more benefits and crowns to those who are willing to pay for it.
Uuuum that is a brillant idea would you be willing to make a poll for that in detail because that may be the answer zos needs to this problem.
I'd be more than happy to.
I don't really have the time right now (at work) but when I get home I will browser the forums for already existing requests and try to work out various models that could be implemented. I'll leave pricing to ZOS but probably include some sample prices as reference to other companies that already have a similar model in place.
@c.p.garret1993_ESOc.p.garrett1993_ESO wrote: »@Zosc.p.garrett1993_ESO wrote: »The subscription could be 20 dollars a month and it wouldn't bother me personally but it may cause one hell of a crap storm with others.
I don't think I would pay that much. Neither would many other players.
However, if you are fine with it I am sure others are. As long as people are willing to pay for the additional benefits I am more than open to and willing to discuss the concept.
In fact, I would honestly prefer to see multiple tiers of membership that can offer more benefits and crowns to those who are willing to pay for it.
Uuuum that is a brillant idea would you be willing to make a poll for that in detail because that may be the answer zos needs to this problem.
I'd be more than happy to.
I don't really have the time right now (at work) but when I get home I will browser the forums for already existing requests and try to work out various models that could be implemented. I'll leave pricing to ZOS but probably include some sample prices as reference to other companies that already have a similar model in place.
Can you meesage me when you set it up because i think it may be the answer they need and with enough community support it could just happen.
c.p.garrett1993_ESO wrote: »Those may not be useful to others, though.
Gold is easy enough to make that there's no need to worry about those things.
At least not to the point that it would drive me to buying them.
c.p.garrett1993_ESO wrote: »Also, the issue at hand isn't whether or not the crown store is relevant, it's the fact that people are requesting more perks and expect to keep the full 1,500 crowns at no extra cost.
I am completely fine with crowns and them being incorporated into membership, I just do not think it should be the primary selling point or that it should offer as many as buying the crowns directly.
Aett_Thorn wrote: »Subscription has a benefit to any company: it is stable, expected money. As such, it is BETTER than burst income. Therefore, they SHOULD get more benefits than someone just making one-time purchases.
This is why long-term subscriptions, even with their reduced cost per month, still get the 1,500 crown points per month, not a reduced amount.
LucyferLightbringer wrote: »Aett_Thorn wrote: »Subscription has a benefit to any company: it is stable, expected money. As such, it is BETTER than burst income. Therefore, they SHOULD get more benefits than someone just making one-time purchases.
This is why long-term subscriptions, even with their reduced cost per month, still get the 1,500 crown points per month, not a reduced amount.
Subscription stable and expected? Don't think so. Subscriber can cancell at any time, even on the same day he is supposed to be billed.
Even 3 and 6 month subs are no different, you get billed whole amount at the start and then there is no telling if you will be willing to subscribe for another period.
Its no more stable and expeced than random crown store purchases.
Disagree.
Some of us are interested in the Crown store, especially considering it will continue to grow. The 1500 Crowns gives us incentive to keep using it. I've always been a supporter of ESO and would have been fine if the subscription was still required as opposed to being optional. Now I get to pay the sub fee that I was always okay with, while getting some added perks on top of it.
Having the subscription cost the same amount as just buying 1500 crowns on their own gives incentive to subscribe because you get added bonuses on top of it. The more players who are subscribed, the better.
c.p.garrett1993_ESO wrote: »Disagree.
Some of us are interested in the Crown store, especially considering it will continue to grow. The 1500 Crowns gives us incentive to keep using it. I've always been a supporter of ESO and would have been fine if the subscription was still required as opposed to being optional. Now I get to pay the sub fee that I was always okay with, while getting some added perks on top of it.
Having the subscription cost the same amount as just buying 1500 crowns on their own gives incentive to subscribe because you get added bonuses on top of it. The more players who are subscribed, the better.
- Not everybody is interested in the crown shop.
- The base subscription is common in an MMO that offers regular content, this does not.
- The initial subscription was ditched due to how horrible the game did at beta/ launch.
- The incentive is not enough for many.
- Subscriptions are being cancelled.
c.p.garrett1993_ESO wrote: »Disagree.
Some of us are interested in the Crown store, especially considering it will continue to grow. The 1500 Crowns gives us incentive to keep using it. I've always been a supporter of ESO and would have been fine if the subscription was still required as opposed to being optional. Now I get to pay the sub fee that I was always okay with, while getting some added perks on top of it.
Having the subscription cost the same amount as just buying 1500 crowns on their own gives incentive to subscribe because you get added bonuses on top of it. The more players who are subscribed, the better.
- Not everybody is interested in the crown shop.
- The base subscription is common in an MMO that offers regular content, this does not.
- The initial subscription was ditched due to how horrible the game did at beta/ launch.
- The incentive is not enough for many.
- Subscriptions are being cancelled.
The funny thing is current subscribers are paying $15/month for a 10% XP Boost.
That's because the "access to DLC" is null because there is no DLC and won't be for quite some time.
When they release DLC the pricing on the DLC will most likely be the factor of whether people choose to subscribe or not. Thing is, they won't get away with charging more than 3,000 crowns for DLC as anything more than $30 for a single area will be met with outrage by the player base.
Thing is, you have a lot of people sitting with 3k+ crowns in their account. So for them, continuing to sub is still just for a 10% XP bonus because they'll have enough crowns for the first DLC (unless ZoS does something stupid like trying to charge $50 for a single area).
This is why you need other perks for subscribing that characters actually care about.
- Priority PvP queue has to be the most asked for so far.
- How about a Subscriber only PvP zone? Those non-subs could buy "passes" for X crowns that last for a period of time.
- Structured PvP (arenas and BGs). You can either sub and get them, or buy access.
- Special Events (Tamriel Holiday Themed). Subs get access, pay as you go can buy a pass for the duration of the even.
- Player Housing. Subs get access to a base house that they can expand or improve through in-game gold and crafting. Non-Subs can buy a house for Crowns.
- Thieves Guild, Dark Brotherhood, Dawnguard, etc. membership for subscribers. Gated by a quest of course... Non-sub pay crowns for access.
I guess the point it, make subbing worthwhile. Right now, even if DLC were coming it's still not worth it.
Edit:Spelling and clarity.
@Giles.floydub17_ESOGiles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »@jkemmery
I have to disagree with tempers being required when leveling vet ranks. It seemed you were talking about leveling through vet ranks. I leveled my first get character with green gear without issue before they nerfed the vet content the first time.
At end game purple quality gear is more than fine and those upgrade mats are cheap and plentiful, almost as plentiful as gold is.