It's been a year since launch, ZOS. Where is the enforcer system?

Delith

http://gamingbolt.com/elder-scrolls-online-tamriel-unlimited-interview-return-to-glory

"Rashid K. Sayed: Are there any planned updates for the game that will be altering gameplay in any meaningful way in the wake of the upcoming changes?

Matt Firor: No, the only changes we have planned are things we’ve already talked about publicly: Imperial City, future DLC, removing veteran ranks (basing end-game advancement solely on Champion Points), and of course we’ll always fix bugs and continue to respond to feedback."

So... no enforcer system? This is the defining feature for myself and my friends, and any whisper of when we could expect to see it would be incredibly helpful.

If it's not coming, it would be great if you could tell us so we can stop playing the waiting game.

AlnilamE

I'm quite sure they've already "talked publicly about" the enforcer system.

Delith

AlnilamE wrote: »

I'm quite sure they've already "talked publicly about" the enforcer system.

True; I just didn't see it listed, and I still haven't heard a time frame on delivery, so I figured I'd post and hope they give clarity, so that if the system is no longer planned I do not spend any more time hoping.

SgtPepperUK

Last I saw was on a Reddit AMA , a ZOS employee, ZOS_MattF, was talking about the enforcer system and said, "This remains to be determined - I've been pretty clear that PvP justice is pretty scary from a game balance perspective, and we need to be very careful how we implement it. If/when it makes it in to the game, it will not be as part of a paid DLC."

This was back in January, not sure if they've said anything more concrete about it since then.

Tandor

I hope it never comes, at least not as part of the open world Justice System. Keep PvP in Cyrodil, and keep PvE penalties for PvE crimes in PvE areas.

Delith

SgtPepperUK wrote: »

Last I saw was on a Reddit AMA , a ZOS employee, ZOS_MattF, was talking about the enforcer system and said, "This remains to be determined - I've been pretty clear that PvP justice is pretty scary from a game balance perspective, and we need to be very careful how we implement it. If/when it makes it in to the game, it will not be as part of a paid DLC."

This was back in January, not sure if they've said anything more concrete about it since then.

This is the last statement I saw as well, and the "if" part is what makes me wonder why they have kept players wondering whether or not it would be added for months on end after advertising it for a good portion of time beforehand.

It is really disheartening that they have continued to ignore this feature for so long. Makes it incredibly difficult to justify giving them any money, or to even log into the game any more.

Betahkiin

The enforcer system was on the way, then they took an arrow in the knee....

Delith

Tandor wrote: »

I hope it never comes, at least not as part of the open world Justice System. Keep PvP in Cyrodil, and keep PvE penalties for PvE crimes in PvE areas.

At this point, I wouldn't even be surprised. Whether they decide to put it in or not, though, they sure should tell everybody one way or another if it's going to happen instead of remaining silent.

I have a large group of friends who won't even touch the game until we know whether or not our dreams of warring between thieves and guards will ever become a reality, and having Matt Firor come out and basically imply it might not happen at all after talking about the system in great detail prior was an incredibly depressing experience for those of us looking forward to that.

Gidorick

Maybe I was just injecting my own "emotion" into that interview but man, Mat Firor seems like he's lost that 'fire' he had a year or so ago.

Delith

Gidorick wrote: »

Maybe I was just injecting my own "emotion" into that interview but man, Mat Firor seems like he's lost that 'fire' he had a year or so ago.

It's a shame. The game could easily be one of the best MMOs on the market with a few small changes.

- Real PvP with risk and reward (keep it opt in if you're worried about scaring the "softer" players off)
- Scaling of content based on player level so that exploration is more encouraged.
- Real consequences for death.

I don't think I'd need another game on my computer, honestly.

At any rate, I'd settle for just the bounty/enforcer system we were told about.

dwtdwtdwt

Nothing brings me more joy than killing another player's avatar. It is fun in Cyrodiil, and it would be more fun in open world combat.

For those of us who desperately want this, especially after the developers told us it would happen and got our hopes up, it has been a constant topic of discussion and something that is extremely important to our game experience. For those who do not like the idea of player-enforcing in the Justice System, there is already a switch that allows you to opt out of it if you're not into that type of gameplay. As I have said before- If you don't like the punishment, do not commit the crime.

One thing I do not like, is all the murderers that run around cities killing NPCs and I can't do anything about it. Since this is a post directed at the developers: Please, implement a REAL Justice System. Let there be justice for these heinous criminal acts.

Auricle

Gidorick wrote: »

Maybe I was just injecting my own "emotion" into that interview but man, Mat Firor seems like he's lost that 'fire' he had a year or so ago.

Take a look at the forums, man. Every other thread is angry, demanding, and ungrateful. Can you blame him? :<

Delith

dwtdwtdwt wrote: »

Nothing brings me more joy than killing another player's avatar. It is fun in Cyrodiil, and it would be more fun in open world combat.

For those of us who desperately want this, especially after the developers told us it would happen and got our hopes up, it has been a constant topic of discussion and something that is extremely important to our game experience. For those who do not like the idea of player-enforcing in the Justice System, there is already a switch that allows you to opt out of it if you're not into that type of gameplay. As I have said before- If you don't like the punishment, do not commit the crime.

One thing I do not like, is all the murderers that run around cities killing NPCs and I can't do anything about it. Since this is a post directed at the developers: Please, implement a REAL Justice System. Let there be justice for these heinous criminal acts.

I like the way you think.

There is no justice in the current implementation. Look at all the criminal scum running around doing as they please.

I want them locked up! In the stocks! I want justice for our fallen neighbors, and their pillaged homes!

ZOS, how can you call this justice!?

Betahkiin

dwtdwtdwt wrote: »

Nothing brings me more joy than killing another player's avatar. It is fun in Cyrodiil, and it would be more fun in open world combat.

For those of us who desperately want this, especially after the developers told us it would happen and got our hopes up, it has been a constant topic of discussion and something that is extremely important to our game experience. For those who do not like the idea of player-enforcing in the Justice System, there is already a switch that allows you to opt out of it if you're not into that type of gameplay. As I have said before- If you don't like the punishment, do not commit the crime.

One thing I do not like, is all the murderers that run around cities killing NPCs and I can't do anything about it. Since this is a post directed at the developers: Please, implement a REAL Justice System. Let there be justice for these heinous criminal acts.

When the enforcer system arrive, all of you must be prepared.....

The dark forces at the service of the Night Mother arise and every enforcer go to disappear in the shadows of doom.....

Light your torchs, close the gates and pray, nothing can stop the hand of the death.....

Delith

Betahkiin wrote: »

dwtdwtdwt wrote: »

Nothing brings me more joy than killing another player's avatar. It is fun in Cyrodiil, and it would be more fun in open world combat.

For those of us who desperately want this, especially after the developers told us it would happen and got our hopes up, it has been a constant topic of discussion and something that is extremely important to our game experience. For those who do not like the idea of player-enforcing in the Justice System, there is already a switch that allows you to opt out of it if you're not into that type of gameplay. As I have said before- If you don't like the punishment, do not commit the crime.

One thing I do not like, is all the murderers that run around cities killing NPCs and I can't do anything about it. Since this is a post directed at the developers: Please, implement a REAL Justice System. Let there be justice for these heinous criminal acts.

When the enforcer system arrive, all of you must be prepared.....

The dark forces at the service of the Night Mother arise and every enforcer go to disappear in the shadows of doom.....

Light your torchs, close the gates and pray, nothing can stop the hand of the death.....

I hate you, but I also love you and truly hope we get to do battle.

Please, ZOS. Let this happen.

If people don't want to participate, they can... Not be criminals???

Betahkiin

Delith wrote: »

Betahkiin wrote: »

dwtdwtdwt wrote: »

Nothing brings me more joy than killing another player's avatar. It is fun in Cyrodiil, and it would be more fun in open world combat.

For those of us who desperately want this, especially after the developers told us it would happen and got our hopes up, it has been a constant topic of discussion and something that is extremely important to our game experience. For those who do not like the idea of player-enforcing in the Justice System, there is already a switch that allows you to opt out of it if you're not into that type of gameplay. As I have said before- If you don't like the punishment, do not commit the crime.

One thing I do not like, is all the murderers that run around cities killing NPCs and I can't do anything about it. Since this is a post directed at the developers: Please, implement a REAL Justice System. Let there be justice for these heinous criminal acts.

When the enforcer system arrive, all of you must be prepared.....

The dark forces at the service of the Night Mother arise and every enforcer go to disappear in the shadows of doom.....

Light your torchs, close the gates and pray, nothing can stop the hand of the death.....

I hate you, but I also love you and truly hope we get to do battle.

Please, ZOS. Let this happen.

If people don't want to participate, they can... Not be criminals???

You will only be able to hear the clink of gold coins falling from the hands of my victims .... The depths of Tamriel host me and at night, I go out of her entrails to slip in cities and claim the tribute to my dear mother .... Do you want to stop me? Swears loyalty to your people, forge an army and be vigilant, you're in my territory, I am the lord of the shadows .....

Daenerys

Wait just a minute here. What about all the info we found out from the Guild Summit? Here's a good write up about the Justice System, albeit from back in November. If they changed their minds, I sure would appreciate them letting us know. @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom do you ladies have any info for us?

My main has been patiently waiting to be an Enforcer for quite some time now. Without any new content to do, she just sits in the bank and occassionally picks flowers. Please let us know if this is still in the works and @ZOS_MattFiror just forgot to mention it.

c.p.garrett1993_ESO

I understand the balancing issues and how people wish to keep PvP out of their thieving.
Perhaps they could use NPCs instead and provide a similar payout to thieving as rewards from the city? This would allow those who wish to have law-abiding heroes to have their way and not disturb other players.
At the same time it could also benefit players stealing, perhaps the guard and civilians could be distracted by NPC thieves and allow players to have a better chance of getting away with it?

Acrolas

Corporate called. They need to add a giant, highly-intelligent, genetically-modified dinosaur hybrid to the game to increase revenue.

It's not lore-breaking. This dinosaur is so intelligent it rewrites history. Mostly by just ripping pages out of lorebooks, but they're the correct pages.


I don't care what they do, really. Killer clowns. Were-worms. Flying Waffle House. Just something to make the product they have sitting on store shelves right now a little less brain-shattering mundane.

Audigy

We need it just as much as housing.

Delith

c.p.garrett1993_ESO wrote: »

I understand the balancing issues and how people wish to keep PvP out of their thieving.
Perhaps they could use NPCs instead and provide a similar payout to thieving as rewards from the city? This would allow those who wish to have law-abiding heroes to have their way and not disturb other players.
At the same time it could also benefit players stealing, perhaps the guard and civilians could be distracted by NPC thieves and allow players to have a better chance of getting away with it?

No. If people don't want to be enforced on, they can not break the law.

We were told this was coming. And now we are told it may not be.

They NEED to tell us one way or another. Not telling us is basically having lied, and that is not a way to treat people who are passionate about your product.

Delith

Acrolas wrote: »

Corporate called. They need to add a giant, highly-intelligent, genetically-modified dinosaur hybrid to the game to increase revenue.

It's not lore-breaking. This dinosaur is so intelligent it rewrites history. Mostly by just ripping pages out of lorebooks, but they're the correct pages.


I don't care what they do, really. Killer clowns. Were-worms. Flying Waffle House. Just something to make the product they have sitting on store shelves right now a little less brain-shattering mundane.

The justice system with bounty and enforcers would definitely help set the game apart from the legions of care bear gear grinding soul sucking click fests that MMOs have become.

Which means we will never get it. Too many people potentially triggered by having consequences result from breaking into a home and murdering the occupants.

Wouldn't want that.

It really is amusing watching people encouraged to behave literally so entitled that they think nobody should be able to touch them even as they steal from others and murder civilians.

It's pretty mind blowing.

"Can't have player guards! That might interfere with my ability to behave like a murderous kleptomaniac psychopath!"

Uh.. good???

Heromofo

Betahkiin wrote: »

The enforcer system was on the way, then they took an arrow in the knee....

You do know what that means right?

It means to get married id recommend a quick search although still pretty funny lol.

c.p.garrett1993_ESO

Delith wrote: »

c.p.garrett1993_ESO wrote: »

I understand the balancing issues and how people wish to keep PvP out of their thieving.
Perhaps they could use NPCs instead and provide a similar payout to thieving as rewards from the city? This would allow those who wish to have law-abiding heroes to have their way and not disturb other players.
At the same time it could also benefit players stealing, perhaps the guard and civilians could be distracted by NPC thieves and allow players to have a better chance of getting away with it?

No. If people don't want to be enforced on, they can not break the law.

We were told this was coming. And now we are told it may not be.

They NEED to tell us one way or another. Not telling us is basically having lied, and that is not a way to treat people who are passionate about your product.

A player would literally never be able to steal anything if other players were allowed to witness a crime.
They would never be able to get away unless they severely out-leveled their pursuer. Even that may not help if they are allowed to be swarmed by multiple enforcers.
I see no way to fairly balance this so that it is fair and keeps everyone happy.
Enforcing against NPCs would keep things fair and keep (most) people happy.

Heromofo wrote: »

Betahkiin wrote: »

The enforcer system was on the way, then they took an arrow in the knee....

You do know what that means right?

It means to get married id recommend a quick search although still pretty funny lol.

Seen this multiple times. Nobody has any proof except for a handful of people who say they are native to Scandinavian areas and claim this is a legitimate thing. None of which are reputable sources.
I'll believe it the day someone presents legitimate proof.

glak

Getting over-engineered then released a couple months after console release. Need console bug fixes because not listening to console players' bug reports in console beta.

Delith

c.p.garrett1993_ESO wrote: »

Delith wrote: »

c.p.garrett1993_ESO wrote: »

I understand the balancing issues and how people wish to keep PvP out of their thieving.
Perhaps they could use NPCs instead and provide a similar payout to thieving as rewards from the city? This would allow those who wish to have law-abiding heroes to have their way and not disturb other players.
At the same time it could also benefit players stealing, perhaps the guard and civilians could be distracted by NPC thieves and allow players to have a better chance of getting away with it?

No. If people don't want to be enforced on, they can not break the law.

We were told this was coming. And now we are told it may not be.

They NEED to tell us one way or another. Not telling us is basically having lied, and that is not a way to treat people who are passionate about your product.

A player would literally never be able to steal anything if other players were allowed to witness a crime.
They would never be able to get away unless they severely out-leveled their pursuer. Even that may not help if they are allowed to be swarmed by multiple enforcers.
I see no way to fairly balance this so that it is fair and keeps everyone happy.
Enforcing against NPCs would keep things fair and keep (most) people happy.

Heromofo wrote: »

Betahkiin wrote: »

The enforcer system was on the way, then they took an arrow in the knee....

You do know what that means right?

It means to get married id recommend a quick search although still pretty funny lol.

Seen this multiple times. Nobody has any proof except for a handful of people who say they are native to Scandinavian areas and claim this is a legitimate thing. None of which are reputable sources.
I'll believe it the day someone presents legitimate proof.

Guess they won't be stealing then huh?

MCMancub

Delith wrote: »

c.p.garrett1993_ESO wrote: »

Delith wrote: »

c.p.garrett1993_ESO wrote: »

I understand the balancing issues and how people wish to keep PvP out of their thieving.
Perhaps they could use NPCs instead and provide a similar payout to thieving as rewards from the city? This would allow those who wish to have law-abiding heroes to have their way and not disturb other players.
At the same time it could also benefit players stealing, perhaps the guard and civilians could be distracted by NPC thieves and allow players to have a better chance of getting away with it?

No. If people don't want to be enforced on, they can not break the law.

We were told this was coming. And now we are told it may not be.

They NEED to tell us one way or another. Not telling us is basically having lied, and that is not a way to treat people who are passionate about your product.

A player would literally never be able to steal anything if other players were allowed to witness a crime.
They would never be able to get away unless they severely out-leveled their pursuer. Even that may not help if they are allowed to be swarmed by multiple enforcers.
I see no way to fairly balance this so that it is fair and keeps everyone happy.
Enforcing against NPCs would keep things fair and keep (most) people happy.

Heromofo wrote: »

Betahkiin wrote: »

The enforcer system was on the way, then they took an arrow in the knee....

You do know what that means right?

It means to get married id recommend a quick search although still pretty funny lol.

Seen this multiple times. Nobody has any proof except for a handful of people who say they are native to Scandinavian areas and claim this is a legitimate thing. None of which are reputable sources.
I'll believe it the day someone presents legitimate proof.

Guess they won't be stealing then huh?

So your solution is to nullify the Justice System by introducing the Enforcer System? Please go find another game to play.

Daemons_Bane

I agree with the crowd thinking it's a bad idea.. keep the PvP, as that is what it will be, in the PvP area.. A great many players don't care for openworld PvP, and forcing it on them will be a mistake that will result in a loss of players

c.p.garrett1993_ESO

Delith wrote: »

c.p.garrett1993_ESO wrote: »

Delith wrote: »

c.p.garrett1993_ESO wrote: »

I understand the balancing issues and how people wish to keep PvP out of their thieving.
Perhaps they could use NPCs instead and provide a similar payout to thieving as rewards from the city? This would allow those who wish to have law-abiding heroes to have their way and not disturb other players.
At the same time it could also benefit players stealing, perhaps the guard and civilians could be distracted by NPC thieves and allow players to have a better chance of getting away with it?

No. If people don't want to be enforced on, they can not break the law.

We were told this was coming. And now we are told it may not be.

They NEED to tell us one way or another. Not telling us is basically having lied, and that is not a way to treat people who are passionate about your product.

A player would literally never be able to steal anything if other players were allowed to witness a crime.
They would never be able to get away unless they severely out-leveled their pursuer. Even that may not help if they are allowed to be swarmed by multiple enforcers.
I see no way to fairly balance this so that it is fair and keeps everyone happy.
Enforcing against NPCs would keep things fair and keep (most) people happy.

Heromofo wrote: »

Betahkiin wrote: »

The enforcer system was on the way, then they took an arrow in the knee....

You do know what that means right?

It means to get married id recommend a quick search although still pretty funny lol.

Seen this multiple times. Nobody has any proof except for a handful of people who say they are native to Scandinavian areas and claim this is a legitimate thing. None of which are reputable sources.
I'll believe it the day someone presents legitimate proof.

Guess they won't be stealing then huh?

You're kidding right? You're suggesting it's acceptable to practically eliminate the Justice system?
That would also, in turn, eliminate the Enforcer system over time. No crime means nothing to enforce.

Not to mention it would be eliminating a game-play choice that has been around since Morrowind, maybe longer, I haven't played the older games. That's simply absurd. Why would anybody think that's a good idea?

Egonieser

Betahkiin wrote: »

Delith wrote: »

Betahkiin wrote: »

dwtdwtdwt wrote: »

Nothing brings me more joy than killing another player's avatar. It is fun in Cyrodiil, and it would be more fun in open world combat.

For those of us who desperately want this, especially after the developers told us it would happen and got our hopes up, it has been a constant topic of discussion and something that is extremely important to our game experience. For those who do not like the idea of player-enforcing in the Justice System, there is already a switch that allows you to opt out of it if you're not into that type of gameplay. As I have said before- If you don't like the punishment, do not commit the crime.

One thing I do not like, is all the murderers that run around cities killing NPCs and I can't do anything about it. Since this is a post directed at the developers: Please, implement a REAL Justice System. Let there be justice for these heinous criminal acts.

When the enforcer system arrive, all of you must be prepared.....

The dark forces at the service of the Night Mother arise and every enforcer go to disappear in the shadows of doom.....

Light your torchs, close the gates and pray, nothing can stop the hand of the death.....

I hate you, but I also love you and truly hope we get to do battle.

Please, ZOS. Let this happen.

If people don't want to participate, they can... Not be criminals???

You will only be able to hear the clink of gold coins falling from the hands of my victims .... The depths of Tamriel host me and at night, I go out of her entrails to slip in cities and claim the tribute to my dear mother .... Do you want to stop me? Swears loyalty to your people, forge an army and be vigilant, you're in my territory, I am the lord of the shadows .....

Wha... With your vr5 templar? I'll eat you for lunch and wipe the floor with your entrails... Repeatedly :P All you'll get from me is a free trip to nearest wayshrine lol

bloodenragedb14_ESO

ZOS answer to any content


"but-but......consoles! look, they are shiny"

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kinda like the following

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEjWTDEkMaY