Yep, more containers, mostly empty

RDMyers65b14_ESO

Yes, ZOS added more containers to dwemer ruins. They are mostly empty. Avanchnzel is 100% empty.

We get it, ZOS. You want us to buy the motif for crowns.

nastuug

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

Yes, ZOS added more containers to dwemer ruins. They are mostly empty. Avanchnzel is 100% empty.

We get it, ZOS. You want us to buy the motif for crowns.

Zershar_Vemod

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

Yes, ZOS added more containers to dwemer ruins. They are mostly empty. Avanchnzel is 100% empty.

We get it, ZOS. You want us to buy the motif for crowns.

It was blatantly obvious that that was the reason for the drop nerf.

P3ZZL3

@RDMyers65b14_ESO So, you went through Avanchnzel and absolutely, positively, 100% of ALL Dwemer pots were empty?

rynth

Slow down chicken little all motifs that have been in game have had their drop rates nerfed some of them several times way before crown store dwemer drops are no different. I'm going to assume you haven't been here from the start because if you had I'd hope that you'd use some critical thinking and remember that all motifs have had their drop rate nerfed.

UrQuan

P3ZZL3 wrote: »

@RDMyers65b14_ESO So, you went through Avanchnzel and absolutely, positively, 100% of ALL Dwemer pots were empty?

Seems more than a little unlikely, doesn't it?

Robbmrp

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

Yes, ZOS added more containers to dwemer ruins. They are mostly empty. Avanchnzel is 100% empty.
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@ZOS_GinaBruno so what's the point in adding more EMPTY containers?

PKMN12

Robbmrp wrote: »

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

Yes, ZOS added more containers to dwemer ruins. They are mostly empty. Avanchnzel is 100% empty.
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@ZOS_GinaBruno so what's the point in adding more EMPTY containers?

to give the "illusion" that they care.

Arunei

Did you check all the ruins that were buffed? Pretty sure Avanchnzel wasn't one of them, considering it was one of the two that was nerfed not long ago.

I ran Inner Sea not long ago and there were tons of containers with stuff in them. Got three recipes and a whole bunch of lockpicks, which is fine by me.

It's not a bad thing to have to work for the Motifs instead of expecting to spend five minutes running one ruin and getting any.

pecheckler

Increasing the time-to-farm gap to push microtransctions. NO WAY!

Rune_Relic

WAI... you wanted them filled too ? Come on..be realistic
How about some guts ?

retyler3_ESO

pecheckler wrote: »

Increasing the time-to-farm gap to push microtransctions. NO WAY!

Well that is how they are able to make money from the game, and as they make more money they will improve, patch, update, and add content. I have no problem paying for the Motifs, even though I find them a bit expensive, but what I would really love to see is the ability to buy bag and bank space. I would also like to see a respect for the mounts as well; though that should not be cheap.

nimander99

UrQuan wrote: »

P3ZZL3 wrote: »

@RDMyers65b14_ESO So, you went through Avanchnzel and absolutely, positively, 100% of ALL Dwemer pots were empty?

Seems more than a little unlikely, doesn't it?

Does this mean I don't have to eat my hat?

*crosses fingers

nimander99

retyler3_ESO wrote: »

pecheckler wrote: »

Increasing the time-to-farm gap to push microtransctions. NO WAY!

Well that is how they are able to make money from the game, and as they make more money they will improve, patch, update, and add content. I have no problem paying for the Motifs, even though I find them a bit expensive, but what I would really love to see is the ability to buy bag and bank space. I would also like to see a respect for the mounts as well; though that should not be cheap.

Why respect mounts? You can buy every skill for them... would you respect and not add all your points? Cause that would be your only option for a different respec

UrQuan

nimander99 wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

P3ZZL3 wrote: »

@RDMyers65b14_ESO So, you went through Avanchnzel and absolutely, positively, 100% of ALL Dwemer pots were empty?

Seems more than a little unlikely, doesn't it?

Does this mean I don't have to eat my hat?

*crosses fingers

No! You eat that hat! There are starving children who would love to eat your hat!

glak

Robbmrp wrote: »

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

Yes, ZOS added more containers to dwemer ruins. They are mostly empty. Avanchnzel is 100% empty.
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@ZOS_GinaBruno so what's the point in adding more EMPTY containers?

Iterative development

Xendyn

nimander99 wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

P3ZZL3 wrote: »

@RDMyers65b14_ESO So, you went through Avanchnzel and absolutely, positively, 100% of ALL Dwemer pots were empty?

Seems more than a little unlikely, doesn't it?

Does this mean I don't have to eat my hat?

*crosses fingers

Choose the Bacon hat...you'll be fine

Xendyn

Okay so I'm seeing a lot more Empty containers everywhere. Houses, Delves, Landscape.
Anyone else?

Victus

nimander99 wrote: »

retyler3_ESO wrote: »

pecheckler wrote: »

Increasing the time-to-farm gap to push microtransctions. NO WAY!

Well that is how they are able to make money from the game, and as they make more money they will improve, patch, update, and add content. I have no problem paying for the Motifs, even though I find them a bit expensive, but what I would really love to see is the ability to buy bag and bank space. I would also like to see a respect for the mounts as well; though that should not be cheap.

Why respect mounts? You can buy every skill for them... would you respect and not add all your points? Cause that would be your only option for a different respec

Why respect mounts? Because they carry you everywhere, respond to your every command, and at times, provide that companion you need as a lonely adventurer on the road. They deserve respect.

RDMyers65b14_ESO

P3ZZL3 wrote: »

@RDMyers65b14_ESO So, you went through Avanchnzel and absolutely, positively, 100% of ALL Dwemer pots were empty?

Yep, I did. EVERY LAST ONE!

RDMyers65b14_ESO

rynth wrote: »

Slow down chicken little all motifs that have been in game have had their drop rates nerfed some of them several times way before crown store dwemer drops are no different. I'm going to assume you haven't been here from the start because if you had I'd hope that you'd use some critical thinking and remember that all motifs have had their drop rate nerfed.

Actually, I have been here since pre-release. And even last week after they nerfed Avanchnzel the first time I was finding things in the containers, including dwemer pages.

Sentinel

Well, according to the notes, all I can guess is that Avanchnzel isnt meant to be the go-to area anymore. They're trying to encourage people to move out to the other various dwemer ruins to farm n' such... Maybe try one of the areas that was listed as buffed?

RDMyers65b14_ESO

For me, Avanchnzel is V10. I have a V14. Why would I want to run a delve that isn't going to help with the Champion system grind? Yeah, I know Lower Bthantal was on the list but barely get XP there. The one in Stonefalls is even less XP. The others are in my home zones which means absolutely no XP as the highest mentioned is Razak's and I outrank it by more than five level. So, yes, I tried those. I normally managed a page a run if I didn't find a rare book. No, I didn't run the delve every day, but it was close enough that I have helped nearly a dozen people get every page. Plus I found the Ancient Elf, Daedric and the Imperial motif in the delves.

Sentinel

Yeah, I know Kass (Jo here, ya helped me as well). I don't really have any suggestions for you though. ZOS is very opposed to people going through a grind in a specific area, so they adjust it. So, unfortunately, we have just been told to 'spread out'. I suppose you could still do Avanchnzel for the fun of it, but according to ZOS's beleifs, you won't be getting many pages there, and if you do want pages, you cant get them while obtaining nice XP.

EQBallzz

retyler3_ESO wrote: »

pecheckler wrote: »

Increasing the time-to-farm gap to push microtransctions. NO WAY!

Well that is how they are able to make money from the game, and as they make more money they will improve, patch, update, and add content. I have no problem paying for the Motifs, even though I find them a bit expensive, but what I would really love to see is the ability to buy bag and bank space. I would also like to see a respect for the mounts as well; though that should not be cheap.

That's a pretty huge assumption on your part. You *assume* that the money they make will go to improve, patch, update and add content but there is no evidence of this. In fact, there is evidence to the contrary. Some of us (quite a lot) have been paying them a subscription for over a year with the expectation of patches, fixes and content that was released regularly (even if not on the time frame they promised of every 4-6 weeks) but we didn't get that did we? How many months has it been since the last measly update? How many more months will it be? Why would micro-transactions be any different?

The more likely scenario is they will eventually lay people off, put the game on cruise control and use the money to continue adding more junk and possible P2W items to the cash shop and continue tweaking game mechanics to push (or even force) players into purchases instead of playing the game. This is what F2P games do. If we are lucky some of the cash shop items will be DLC that isn't horribly broken/incomplete and arriving before everyone leaves the game but at this point I wouldn't hold your breath.

rynth wrote: »

Slow down chicken little all motifs that have been in game have had their drop rates nerfed some of them several times way before crown store dwemer drops are no different. I'm going to assume you haven't been here from the start because if you had I'd hope that you'd use some critical thinking and remember that all motifs have had their drop rate nerfed.

Just because they have adjusted motiff drop rates in the past (one of the adjustments was to increase drop rates) doesn't mean they didn't adjust them down recently for the sole purpose of driving people to the cash shop. The other adjustments were ostensibly to adjust the rate to be in-line with their intentions since there was no cash shop in game. The fact that they adjusted them down again right before making them purchasable in the crown shop is more than just a coincidence. It's possible this was just not the intention but I would say highly unlikely. Don't be naive.

Julianos

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

Yes, ZOS added more containers to dwemer ruins. They are mostly empty. Avanchnzel is 100% empty.

We get it, ZOS. You want us to buy the motif for crowns.

It was obvious i didnt suprise. Its not just dwemer containers all containers mostly empty now. I didnt find any motif since crown motifs added. Thank god my main char got them all i bought them all for 5-10k in last summer lol

cote-bmsb16_ESO

Get outta my wallet

Ley

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

Yes, ZOS added more containers to dwemer ruins. They are mostly empty. Avanchnzel is 100% empty.

We get it, ZOS. You want us to buy the motif for crowns.

Funny story because I just went there to check it out and only about 50% of the containers were empty.

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO

What's next? Certain flowers become almost extinct "from too meticulous harvesting by local alchemists", and "imported Columbine from Elsweyr" becomes available in the Crown Store? We can't have such a useful little flower appearing all over the game world free for the taking, can we?

If ZOS wants me to buy anything in the Crown Store, they should release new content, because I would happily pay for that.

(Edit: typo.)

anitajoneb17_ESO

I for one am glad that ZOS pushed up the number of containers in the other ruins so quickly. And i don't disagree with the move of nerfing Avanchenzel.

I used to be one of those people who made a fortune in game gold by (among other things) farming and selling dwemer motifs, even though I never understood why people would spend gold (let alone real money...) for something that is/was so ridiculously easy to farm.

I just ran the ruin today again (for the 1st time in weeks) and the containers are by far not 100% empty !! maybe 50%-60% empty, 40% full. I did not get any motif but that means nothing in just 1 run. On the other hand i got 5 dwemer scraps of which 3 dropped from a container. Scraps dropping from containers and not from mobs is new, at least to me.

At least, the poor ruin doesn't look like an Ibiza night club in August any more.

As to the overall drop rates of stuff that has recently appeared in the crown store, all I can say is that I got 2 purple motifs, 2 dwemer pages and even 1 imperial motif in the last 2 weeks so I cannot testify of any sort of nerf or ninja nerf. Blue and purple recipes even seem to drop slightly more often given that the containers are not as easy to farm as before due to the justive system.

Islyn

pecheckler wrote: »

Increasing the time-to-farm gap to push microtransctions. NO WAY!

LOL yep - and given also the state of Nirncrux (for everyone I know anyway) since last week's patch I cannot wait to see that in Crown Store.