Vet dungeon..

lihentian

Well i tried my first vet dungeon last night.. and some how i keep getting one or two shot by boss.. i have 14k health am a stamina:health NB in medium armor.. am i missing something? it seem am the only one who is getting one shot all the time.. oh am current vr3

PKMN12

Yeah, 14k is low, very low.

UrQuan

There's currently a thread in the Players Helping Players section of the forum about basically exactly this (although the guy asking the question in that thread is a medium armour stamina-build Templar DPS, rather than a Nightblade - that shouldn't change anything as far as the advice though, because I don't think any of it has been focusing on class abilities):
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/166365/how-is-vet-dungeon-a-possibility/p1

lathbury

was the dungeon scaled to vr3? also you shouldnt really be getting hit by bosses unless you are the tank.

lolo_01b16_ESO

14k health are enough for a vet dungeon scaled to vr3 as long as you aren't the tank.
How did you get oneshotted? Did the tank loose aggro, have you moved out of an aoe to slowly or has it been something else?

alifesoft

lihentian wrote: »

Well i tried my first vet dungeon last night.. and some how i keep getting one or two shot by boss.. i have 14k health am a stamina:health NB in medium armor.. am i missing something? it seem am the only one who is getting one shot all the time.. oh am current vr3

I am magica build templar, have 24k magica and 14k health. I think you must do something with your gear and spell. Also don't forget about blocking.

UrQuan

I guess the TL;DR version of the thread I linked is:

1. Make sure you've got decent gear. This means sets (whether crafted or dropped), make sure they're blue quality or above, and make sure you've got the right enchants on them.
2. Make sure you're using dodge-roll, block, and interrupt appropriately in order to avoid the worst damage-dealers.
3. Make sure you've got enough total health to be able to survive the heaviest of attacks (because you won't always be able to avoid or mitigate them properly), with enough left over to survive long enough for your healer to come to your aid. For VR1-3 I'd recommend having 16-17K health, but others feel more or less is OK.
4. Make sure you're always using good food (this is a huge part of how you get up to the 16-17K health that I recommend). If you use a mix of stamina and magicka abilities (or if you mostly use magicka abilities, but do a lot of dodging, blocking, and interrupting), purple food is good, while if you mostly only use stamina abilities blue food that raises health and stamina is better.

There's other good advice in that thread too. It's worth a read IMO.

golfer.dub17_ESO

If you have 14k base health, then just eat food to get up to 16-17k.

UrQuan

lathbury wrote: »

was the dungeon scaled to vr3? also you shouldnt really be getting hit by bosses unless you are the tank.

Depends on the boss. Some of them have certain special attacks they do that can target anyone in the group randomly, regardless of taunts.

UrQuan

alifesoft wrote: »

lihentian wrote: »

Well i tried my first vet dungeon last night.. and some how i keep getting one or two shot by boss.. i have 14k health am a stamina:health NB in medium armor.. am i missing something? it seem am the only one who is getting one shot all the time.. oh am current vr3

I am magica build templar, have 24k magica and 14k health. I think you must do something with your gear and spell. Also don't forget about blocking.

Question: are you a healer? I ask because you've got less health than I would usually recommend for dungeons, but I find that a magicka-heavy Templar healer can get by with having a bit less health as long as you're careful to never run out of magicka, because you've got a good "oh ***" heal, so you usually only need enough health to avoid getting one-shotted, rather than needing enough health to avoid getting one-shotted and also survive a little bit longer before your healer saves your butt.

lihentian

lathbury wrote: »

was the dungeon scaled to vr3? also you shouldnt really be getting hit by bosses unless you are the tank.

yes we got a full group of vr3

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

14k health are enough for a vet dungeon scaled to vr3 as long as you aren't the tank.
How did you get oneshotted? Did the tank loose aggro, have you moved out of an aoe to slowly or has it been something else?

yes i did, am not sure which dungeon i did(i haven't done much).. it is the one that boss summon four shade to chain you, and you have to kill one of the shade else the person who get chained will be killed. The spider boss fire some sort of shadow skeleton, but before that she drain all my stamina which make me unable to dodge or block..

alifesoft wrote: »

lihentian wrote: »

Well i tried my first vet dungeon last night.. and some how i keep getting one or two shot by boss.. i have 14k health am a stamina:health NB in medium armor.. am i missing something? it seem am the only one who is getting one shot all the time.. oh am current vr3

I am magica build templar, have 24k magica and 14k health. I think you must do something with your gear and spell. Also don't forget about blocking.

i block whenever possible, but even when blocking it still take off 1/4 of my life..

golfer.dub17_ESO wrote: »

If you have 14k base health, then just eat food to get up to 16-17k.

yea i got food.. but am a dps so i use stamina food instead.....


Anywayz thx for the reply~~~~~~~~ ill read the guide thx guys

Valymer

That's Fungal Grotto, and that fight with the four adds that chain someone requires people to actually work together and pay attention. It can be a tough one to pug sometimes.

lihentian

Valymer wrote: »

That's Fungal Grotto, and that fight with the four adds that chain someone requires people to actually work together and pay attention. It can be a tough one to pug sometimes.

yea i get through that one.. it is the last one(i hope thats the last?) where we get stuck.. there is some laser beam from above..which we can evade, the boss does aoe which we can dodge away.. but the boss sometime fire a beam at you which take off 1/2 of my health..

also the boss before that.. put some buff on me.. and drain all my stamina before she fire a shadow skeleton.. which instant kill me several times

UrQuan

lihentian wrote: »

lathbury wrote: »

was the dungeon scaled to vr3? also you shouldnt really be getting hit by bosses unless you are the tank.

yes we got a full group of vr3

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

14k health are enough for a vet dungeon scaled to vr3 as long as you aren't the tank.
How did you get oneshotted? Did the tank loose aggro, have you moved out of an aoe to slowly or has it been something else?

yes i did, am not sure which dungeon i did(i haven't done much).. it is the one that boss summon four shade to chain you, and you have to kill one of the shade else the person who get chained will be killed. The spider boss fire some sort of shadow skeleton, but before that she drain all my stamina which make me unable to dodge or block..

alifesoft wrote: »

lihentian wrote: »

Well i tried my first vet dungeon last night.. and some how i keep getting one or two shot by boss.. i have 14k health am a stamina:health NB in medium armor.. am i missing something? it seem am the only one who is getting one shot all the time.. oh am current vr3

I am magica build templar, have 24k magica and 14k health. I think you must do something with your gear and spell. Also don't forget about blocking.

i block whenever possible, but even when blocking it still take off 1/4 of my life..

golfer.dub17_ESO wrote: »

If you have 14k base health, then just eat food to get up to 16-17k.

yea i got food.. but am a dps so i use stamina food instead.....


Anywayz thx for the reply~~~~~~~~ ill read the guide thx guys

If you're using green stamina-only food, switching to blue food that boosts both health and stamina could make all the difference right there.

lihentian

UrQuan wrote: »

lihentian wrote: »

lathbury wrote: »

was the dungeon scaled to vr3? also you shouldnt really be getting hit by bosses unless you are the tank.

yes we got a full group of vr3

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

14k health are enough for a vet dungeon scaled to vr3 as long as you aren't the tank.
How did you get oneshotted? Did the tank loose aggro, have you moved out of an aoe to slowly or has it been something else?

yes i did, am not sure which dungeon i did(i haven't done much).. it is the one that boss summon four shade to chain you, and you have to kill one of the shade else the person who get chained will be killed. The spider boss fire some sort of shadow skeleton, but before that she drain all my stamina which make me unable to dodge or block..

alifesoft wrote: »

lihentian wrote: »

Well i tried my first vet dungeon last night.. and some how i keep getting one or two shot by boss.. i have 14k health am a stamina:health NB in medium armor.. am i missing something? it seem am the only one who is getting one shot all the time.. oh am current vr3

I am magica build templar, have 24k magica and 14k health. I think you must do something with your gear and spell. Also don't forget about blocking.

i block whenever possible, but even when blocking it still take off 1/4 of my life..

golfer.dub17_ESO wrote: »

If you have 14k base health, then just eat food to get up to 16-17k.

yea i got food.. but am a dps so i use stamina food instead.....


Anywayz thx for the reply~~~~~~~~ ill read the guide thx guys

If you're using green stamina-only food, switching to blue food that boosts both health and stamina could make all the difference right there.

oh.. kk ill try to craft some of those. ty~~ haven't the luck to find a vr recipe yet. .but am sure ill find one soon

UrQuan

lihentian wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

lihentian wrote: »

lathbury wrote: »

was the dungeon scaled to vr3? also you shouldnt really be getting hit by bosses unless you are the tank.

yes we got a full group of vr3

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

14k health are enough for a vet dungeon scaled to vr3 as long as you aren't the tank.
How did you get oneshotted? Did the tank loose aggro, have you moved out of an aoe to slowly or has it been something else?

yes i did, am not sure which dungeon i did(i haven't done much).. it is the one that boss summon four shade to chain you, and you have to kill one of the shade else the person who get chained will be killed. The spider boss fire some sort of shadow skeleton, but before that she drain all my stamina which make me unable to dodge or block..

alifesoft wrote: »

lihentian wrote: »

Well i tried my first vet dungeon last night.. and some how i keep getting one or two shot by boss.. i have 14k health am a stamina:health NB in medium armor.. am i missing something? it seem am the only one who is getting one shot all the time.. oh am current vr3

I am magica build templar, have 24k magica and 14k health. I think you must do something with your gear and spell. Also don't forget about blocking.

i block whenever possible, but even when blocking it still take off 1/4 of my life..

golfer.dub17_ESO wrote: »

If you have 14k base health, then just eat food to get up to 16-17k.

yea i got food.. but am a dps so i use stamina food instead.....


Anywayz thx for the reply~~~~~~~~ ill read the guide thx guys

If you're using green stamina-only food, switching to blue food that boosts both health and stamina could make all the difference right there.

oh.. kk ill try to craft some of those. ty~~ haven't the luck to find a vr recipe yet. .but am sure ill find one soon

Provisioning writs are the best source of recipes. You're guaranteed to get a recipe from them (although it may not be one you need), and they are often blue. You can also always check guild stores. Every time I get a recipe I already know I put it up for sale cheap in my guild's store, and I'm sure loads of other people do too.

golfer.dub17_ESO

yea i got food.. but am a dps so i use stamina food instead.....

Blue quality food can give you buffs to two different attributes at the same time. Grandmam's Roast Rabbit is a V5 food that buffs both health and stamina for example.

Purple quality food gives you buffs to all three attributes.

If you're using Green quality food...well...you're doing it wrong.

Grunim

PKMN12 wrote: »

Yeah, 14k is low, very low.

And unfortunately so many new NB DPS veterans are running with HP in that range lately. It's been driving my healing templar nuts how often I'm seeing this these days. I do some PUGs for the challenge and those people do challenge me

Robbmrp

lihentian wrote: »

lathbury wrote: »

was the dungeon scaled to vr3? also you shouldnt really be getting hit by bosses unless you are the tank.

yes we got a full group of vr3

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

14k health are enough for a vet dungeon scaled to vr3 as long as you aren't the tank.
How did you get oneshotted? Did the tank loose aggro, have you moved out of an aoe to slowly or has it been something else?

yes i did, am not sure which dungeon i did(i haven't done much).. it is the one that boss summon four shade to chain you, and you have to kill one of the shade else the person who get chained will be killed. The spider boss fire some sort of shadow skeleton, but before that she drain all my stamina which make me unable to dodge or block..

alifesoft wrote: »

lihentian wrote: »

Well i tried my first vet dungeon last night.. and some how i keep getting one or two shot by boss.. i have 14k health am a stamina:health NB in medium armor.. am i missing something? it seem am the only one who is getting one shot all the time.. oh am current vr3

I am magica build templar, have 24k magica and 14k health. I think you must do something with your gear and spell. Also don't forget about blocking.

i block whenever possible, but even when blocking it still take off 1/4 of my life..

golfer.dub17_ESO wrote: »

If you have 14k base health, then just eat food to get up to 16-17k.

yea i got food.. but am a dps so i use stamina food instead.....


Anywayz thx for the reply~~~~~~~~ ill read the guide thx guys

Use at least a double buff food that has health and stamina. It will be a little lower than the Stamina only but it makes a dig difference and should help keep you from getting one shotted all the time.

idk

alifesoft wrote: »

lihentian wrote: »

Well i tried my first vet dungeon last night.. and some how i keep getting one or two shot by boss.. i have 14k health am a stamina:health NB in medium armor.. am i missing something? it seem am the only one who is getting one shot all the time.. oh am current vr3

I am magica build templar, have 24k magica and 14k health. I think you must do something with your gear and spell. Also don't forget about blocking.

And an occasional dodge roll. Sub 17k hp is sufficient for all end game content if you can avoid damage well. 14K with vet 3 scale should be sufficient with good movement.

jluceyub17_ESO

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

alifesoft wrote: »

lihentian wrote: »

Well i tried my first vet dungeon last night.. and some how i keep getting one or two shot by boss.. i have 14k health am a stamina:health NB in medium armor.. am i missing something? it seem am the only one who is getting one shot all the time.. oh am current vr3

I am magica build templar, have 24k magica and 14k health. I think you must do something with your gear and spell. Also don't forget about blocking.

And an occasional dodge roll. Sub 17k hp is sufficient for all end game content if you can avoid damage well. 14K with vet 3 scale should be sufficient with good movement.

I don't know about all end game content, don't bring that sub-17k toon to a fight with the Mantikora, you'll most likely get curb stomped

UrQuan

golfer.dub17_ESO wrote: »

yea i got food.. but am a dps so i use stamina food instead.....

Blue quality food can give you buffs to two different attributes at the same time. Grandmam's Roast Rabbit is a V5 food that buffs both health and stamina for example.

Purple quality food gives you buffs to all three attributes.

If you're using Green quality food...well...you're doing it wrong.

Green quality food is fine for most content - you can even use it for regular dungeons (although I prefer blue or purple for that), but for vet dungeons you're right, it's just not good enough. You need to be able to buff your health and your main skill stat (and sometimes all 3, depending on your build and role).