console clarification,zone chat.
Naivefanboi
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Will zone chat still function in eso on ps4? As in can i type stuff into zone chat with my ps4 controller?
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Well keyboard support has been confirmed as a no-go. Nothing has been stated on any other form of text chat, I hope they have something though. I can't imagine communication over voice only.3 -
ZOS_JasonLeavey wrote: »Hey everyone,
We wanted to provide an update on keyboard support for the console version of ESOTU. Unfortunately, the message I posted in this thread yesterday was based on our development plans from earlier in the year, which included keyboard support for chat. However, keyboard support for chat is not something that will be available for the console version of the game. You will be able to use a keyboard for text entry in areas such as guild naming, etc., but not for chatting. Mouse support is not planned for the console version of ESOTU.
As things change in development, we definitely try our best to stay on top of those changes to keep you in the loop, but we know that misinformation can be frustrating. Again, we apologize for the confusion.0 -
Zazaaji✭✭✭✭Naivefanboi wrote: »Will zone chat still function in eso on ps4? As in can i type stuff into zone chat with my ps4 controller?
It's unknown, but unlikely to have any sort of text chat other than in-game mail. The chat text box will seemingly be removed entirely. If these are true and voice chat only is supported for grouping, I will not be able to group period due to my thick accent.
We'll only know more upon release of the console Beta, it seems, as ZoS is keeping quiet on this matter after it got out that there is no keyboard chatting on consoles.English is not my first language, Finnish is.
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Naivefanboi✭✭✭✭Not talking about keyboard support, how do u go from having no keyboard support to not having a zone chat channel?
They are planning on keyboard support btw read the update in the thread.
Topic is not regarding keyboard support.
Asking if zone chat exists on console or not .... Nothing about keyboards0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I think ppl are jumping to conclusions to some extent but a logical assumptions does suggest no zone chat in text format
My personal feeling is this: If it's a roleplayingngame using voice chat and emotes/other stuff then it's no different than talking to humans in real life. I know the younger generation cannot imagine living without a tablet, smartphone, or some texting but things work a lot better without all this clutter.
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However, keyboard support for chat is not something that will be available for the console version of the game. You will be able to use a keyboard for text entry in areas such as guild naming, etc., but not for chatting.
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Hey everyone,
We wanted to provide an update on keyboard support for the console version of ESOTU. Unfortunately, the message I posted in this thread yesterday was based on our development plans from earlier in the year, which included keyboard support for chat. However, keyboard support for chat is not something that will be available for the console version of the game. You will be able to use a keyboard for text entry in areas such as guild naming, etc., but not for chatting. Mouse support is not planned for the console version of ESOTU.
As things change in development, we definitely try our best to stay on top of those changes to keep you in the loop, but we know that misinformation can be frustrating. Again, we apologize for the confusion.
Edited by NewBlacksmurf on April 21, 2015 12:06AM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Zazaaji✭✭✭✭Naivefanboi wrote: »Asking if zone chat exists on console or not .... Nothing about keyboards
You're wanting voice chat support zone chat? That would be insane to have 100+ people all talking on the same voice channel at the same time.
My point and reasoning for talking to keyboards: If there is no keyboard zone chat, there will be no zone chat period, no game maker would be crazy enough to think 100+ people all in a voice chat at the same time would be a good idea. The best/closest you can get with such with voice only is local proximity chat. However, that too is unknown a this time if it'll be included or not.Edited by Zazaaji on April 21, 2015 12:03AMEnglish is not my first language, Finnish is.
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✭✭✭✭✭It's funny to me that zone chat is a concern as on PC it's just a bunch of chaos.
I sometimes give the example of walls of text. Or imagine going to the mall and there being a thousand people using bullhorns saying the same things over and over again every 2 minutes. And then ppl getting overshadowed so they too begin using bullhorns to grief the original bullhorn users.
If they confirm no text zone chat I will be SO HAPPY-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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✭Accessing the chat entry field in Neverwinter can be awkward and difficult as, without a mouse, it's not intuitive to open the text entry field and activate the on-screen keyboard.
I wonder if this may be behind them abandoning keyboard support? I know Skyrim didn't have a text field, and the UI seems pretty heavily modeled after that game. Maybe they felt that the awkward nature of a text entry field, as well as making it readable from across the room, were unnecessary hurdles or actually somehow hindering to gameplay.
Who knows.Ruze Aulus. Mayor of Dhalmora. Archer, hunter, assassin. Nightblade.
Gral. Mountain Terror. Barbarian, marauder, murderer. Nightblade.
Na'Djin. Knight-Blade. Knight, vanguard, defender. Nightblade.
XBOX NARuze is a veteran of the PC Beta, lived through the year one drought, survived the buy-to-play conversion, and has stepped foot in the hells known as Craglorn. He mained a nightlbade when nightblades weren't good, and has never worn a robe. He converted from PC during the console betas, and hasn't regretted it a moment since.
He'd rank ESO:TU (in it's current state) a 4.8 out of 5, loving the game almost entirely.
This is an multiplayer game. I should be able to log in, join a dungeon, join a battleground, queue for a dolmen or world boss or delve, teleport in, play for 20 minutes, and not worry about getting kicked, failing to join, having perfect voice coms, or being unable to complete content because someone's lagging behind. Group Finder and matchmaking is broken. Take a note from Destiny and build a system that allows from drop-in/drop-out functionality and quick play.0 -
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Bingo! We are on the same pageruze84b14_ESO wrote: »Accessing the chat entry field in Neverwinter can be awkward and difficult as, without a mouse, it's not intuitive to open the text entry field and activate the on-screen keyboard.
I wonder if this may be behind them abandoning keyboard support? I know Skyrim didn't have a text field, and the UI seems pretty heavily modeled after that game. Maybe they felt that the awkward nature of a text entry field, as well as making it readable from across the room, were unnecessary hurdles or actually somehow hindering to gameplay.
Who knows.
I Just tried to explain this in another related post to someone else.
Neverwinter only allows controller support BUT when the text field is activated, any usb keyboard can be used for letters n numbers. But the function keys aren't supported or ENTER
Until no "text chat" is confirmed then ppl are just over reacting.
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StaticWax✭✭✭✭Hopefully there's no chat window at all. All voice with proximity/party settings.I wish nothing but joy for everyone.2 -
Naivefanboi✭✭✭✭Naivefanboi wrote: »Asking if zone chat exists on console or not .... Nothing about keyboards
You're wanting voice chat support zone chat? That would be insane to have 100+ people all talking on the same voice channel at the same time.
My point and reasoning for talking to keyboards: If there is no keyboard zone chat, there will be no zone chat period, no game maker would be crazy enough to think 100+ people all in a voice chat at the same time would be a good idea. The best/closest you can get with such with voice only is local proximity chat. However, that too is unknown a this time if it'll be included or not.
Wtf, how do u even get to that. Never even mentioned voice chat
Why so people cant run pug groups in cyrodil?ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »Accessing the chat entry field in Neverwinter can be awkward and difficult as, without a mouse, it's not intuitive to open the text entry field and activate the on-screen keyboard.
I wonder if this may be behind them abandoning keyboard support? I know Skyrim didn't have a text field, and the UI seems pretty heavily modeled after that game. Maybe they felt that the awkward nature of a text entry field, as well as making it readable from across the room, were unnecessary hurdles or actually somehow hindering to gameplay.
Who knows.
So people cant sell things in zone chat?
So people cant fill dungeon/trial groups when someone drops?
You cant get by with disableing the chat log?
Are these the reasons you want zone text chat removed?
Never know with zos.NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
Bingo! We are on the same pageruze84b14_ESO wrote: »Accessing the chat entry field in Neverwinter can be awkward and difficult as, without a mouse, it's not intuitive to open the text entry field and activate the on-screen keyboard.
I wonder if this may be behind them abandoning keyboard support? I know Skyrim didn't have a text field, and the UI seems pretty heavily modeled after that game. Maybe they felt that the awkward nature of a text entry field, as well as making it readable from across the room, were unnecessary hurdles or actually somehow hindering to gameplay.
Who knows.
I Just tried to explain this in another related post to someone else.
Neverwinter only allows controller support BUT when the text field is activated, any usb keyboard can be used for letters n numbers. But the function keys aren't supported or ENTER
Until no "text chat" is confirmed then ppl are just over reacting.
Might as well get rid of all text entry then huh? No guild naming, why even name our characters?Hopefully there's no chat window at all. All voice with proximity/party settings.
Dont forget no whispers or guild chat
Wouldnt wanna meet new people or help people in zone
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Zazaaji✭✭✭✭Edit: Nevermind.Edited by Zazaaji on April 21, 2015 12:55AMEnglish is not my first language, Finnish is.
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StaticWax✭✭✭✭Naivefanboi wrote: »
"All voice with... proximity settings". Why couldn't you meet new ppl through proximity voice? Seems to work well in real life...
I wish nothing but joy for everyone.2 -
Naivefanboi✭✭✭✭Naivefanboi wrote: »
"All voice with... proximity settings". Why couldn't you meet new ppl through proximity voice? Seems to work well in real life...
Cause if they are ar a dolmen and need help, doubt ima hear them accross the map in craglorn, just 1 of many examples,
Not to mention voice chat from eso is unnecessary since most groups will be in psn party chat which will over ride eso anyways ... Gg zos typical1 -
Naivefanboi✭✭✭✭Thank you for contacting The Elder Scrolls team with your query regarding using the function /zone on console.
As far as we know, this function should be available, though I guess it will take some time to type your message through the notepad. Did you know there will be some voice command as well?
There will be further announcement on the specificities and function available for console closer to launch. Please remember to check our site on regular basis:
Support gave me answer looks like zone chat is still in the game 1 -
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✭Naivefanboi wrote: »Thank you for contacting The Elder Scrolls team with your query regarding using the function /zone on console.
As far as we know, this function should be available, though I guess it will take some time to type your message through the notepad. Did you know there will be some voice command as well?
There will be further announcement on the specificities and function available for console closer to launch. Please remember to check our site on regular basis:
Support gave me answer looks like zone chat is still in the game
Very nice! Still comes down to 'wait and see', but hey, it's interesting and builds hope!
And I'm also interested in voice commands, even if I don't use them much in other games.
Ruze Aulus. Mayor of Dhalmora. Archer, hunter, assassin. Nightblade.
Gral. Mountain Terror. Barbarian, marauder, murderer. Nightblade.
Na'Djin. Knight-Blade. Knight, vanguard, defender. Nightblade.
XBOX NARuze is a veteran of the PC Beta, lived through the year one drought, survived the buy-to-play conversion, and has stepped foot in the hells known as Craglorn. He mained a nightlbade when nightblades weren't good, and has never worn a robe. He converted from PC during the console betas, and hasn't regretted it a moment since.
He'd rank ESO:TU (in it's current state) a 4.8 out of 5, loving the game almost entirely.
This is an multiplayer game. I should be able to log in, join a dungeon, join a battleground, queue for a dolmen or world boss or delve, teleport in, play for 20 minutes, and not worry about getting kicked, failing to join, having perfect voice coms, or being unable to complete content because someone's lagging behind. Group Finder and matchmaking is broken. Take a note from Destiny and build a system that allows from drop-in/drop-out functionality and quick play.0 -
Maldrix✭Naivefanboi wrote: »Thank you for contacting The Elder Scrolls team with your query regarding using the function /zone on console.
As far as we know, this function should be available, though I guess it will take some time to type your message through the notepad. Did you know there will be some voice command as well?
There will be further announcement on the specificities and function available for console closer to launch. Please remember to check our site on regular basis:
Support gave me answer looks like zone chat is still in the game
Oh thank god.
For groups I'm all for voice chat, but I would have been disappointed if there was no zone chat.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Lol people don't over react. It's gonna be OK-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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✭✭✭✭I'd trust Jessica over customer support, they gave outdated or simply wrong information in the past. But we'll see in June.
Skyrim was a single player game, of course it didn't have a text field. It also didn't have player guilds and group chat, should we remove those too to make ESO more like Skyrim?ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »Accessing the chat entry field in Neverwinter can be awkward and difficult as, without a mouse, it's not intuitive to open the text entry field and activate the on-screen keyboard.
I wonder if this may be behind them abandoning keyboard support? I know Skyrim didn't have a text field, and the UI seems pretty heavily modeled after that game. Maybe they felt that the awkward nature of a text entry field, as well as making it readable from across the room, were unnecessary hurdles or actually somehow hindering to gameplay.
Who knows.
I don't care either way because I play on PC, but I seriously hope the LFG tool will work flawlessly when ESO hits consoles if they don't hav access to zone chat.0 -
StaticWax✭✭✭✭Naivefanboi wrote: »Naivefanboi wrote: »
"All voice with... proximity settings". Why couldn't you meet new ppl through proximity voice? Seems to work well in real life...
Cause if they are ar a dolmen and need help, doubt ima hear them accross the map in craglorn, just 1 of many examples,
Not to mention voice chat from eso is unnecessary since most groups will be in psn party chat which will over ride eso anyways ... Gg zos typical
Sound like an immersive breath of fresh air to me.
Also, if proximity chat is enabled, psn chat may be the option to discard, depending on the scenairo. This may also help break up giant guild zergs, which everyone should be excited to see. I'm looking forward to it.I wish nothing but joy for everyone.1 -
Naivefanboi✭✭✭✭Naivefanboi wrote: »Naivefanboi wrote: »
"All voice with... proximity settings". Why couldn't you meet new ppl through proximity voice? Seems to work well in real life...
Cause if they are ar a dolmen and need help, doubt ima hear them accross the map in craglorn, just 1 of many examples,
Not to mention voice chat from eso is unnecessary since most groups will be in psn party chat which will over ride eso anyways ... Gg zos typical
Sound like an immersive breath of fresh air to me.
Also, if proximity chat is enabled, psn chat may be the option to discard, depending on the scenairo. This may also help break up giant guild zergs, which everyone should be excited to see. I'm looking forward to it.
Enjoy it, ill be bypassing it with psn chat, since my guild will already be grouped, but we pick up pugs from zone chat to fill extra groups.
Good thing if zone chat gets too much for ya you can close the chat. Log, takrs like 2~5 seconds but totally managable even on a gamepad.
Wont be hearing proximity chat, unless i want to while sneaking around eaves dropping.
Cant wait to see some bandwidth from cyrodil go to voice comms ..... Im sure cyrodil doesnt need any extra help with latency lol
And zerging is a dead horse, issue was pointed out repeatedly before beta ... During beta .... Launch ect
Guess what ? RvRvR pvp is still a mess , been like that in every game thats had it. Gw2, DAoC ect
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✭Good thing Xbox Live is going to dedicated party servers. That'll take away a bit of the server load you mentioned.Ruze Aulus. Mayor of Dhalmora. Archer, hunter, assassin. Nightblade.
Gral. Mountain Terror. Barbarian, marauder, murderer. Nightblade.
Na'Djin. Knight-Blade. Knight, vanguard, defender. Nightblade.
XBOX NARuze is a veteran of the PC Beta, lived through the year one drought, survived the buy-to-play conversion, and has stepped foot in the hells known as Craglorn. He mained a nightlbade when nightblades weren't good, and has never worn a robe. He converted from PC during the console betas, and hasn't regretted it a moment since.
He'd rank ESO:TU (in it's current state) a 4.8 out of 5, loving the game almost entirely.
This is an multiplayer game. I should be able to log in, join a dungeon, join a battleground, queue for a dolmen or world boss or delve, teleport in, play for 20 minutes, and not worry about getting kicked, failing to join, having perfect voice coms, or being unable to complete content because someone's lagging behind. Group Finder and matchmaking is broken. Take a note from Destiny and build a system that allows from drop-in/drop-out functionality and quick play.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Naivefanboi wrote: »Naivefanboi wrote: »Naivefanboi wrote: »
"All voice with... proximity settings". Why couldn't you meet new ppl through proximity voice? Seems to work well in real life...
Cause if they are ar a dolmen and need help, doubt ima hear them accross the map in craglorn, just 1 of many examples,
Not to mention voice chat from eso is unnecessary since most groups will be in psn party chat which will over ride eso anyways ... Gg zos typical
Sound like an immersive breath of fresh air to me.
Also, if proximity chat is enabled, psn chat may be the option to discard, depending on the scenairo. This may also help break up giant guild zergs, which everyone should be excited to see. I'm looking forward to it.
Enjoy it, ill be bypassing it with psn chat, since my guild will already be grouped, but we pick up pugs from zone chat to fill extra groups.
Good thing if zone chat gets too much for ya you can close the chat. Log, takrs like 2~5 seconds but totally managable even on a gamepad.
Wont be hearing proximity chat, unless i want to while sneaking around eaves dropping.
Cant wait to see some bandwidth from cyrodil go to voice comms ..... Im sure cyrodil doesnt need any extra help with latency lol
And zerging is a dead horse, issue was pointed out repeatedly before beta ... During beta .... Launch ect
Guess what ? RvRvR pvp is still a mess , been like that in every game thats had it. Gw2, DAoC ect
Devils advocate...what if BETA disables Cyrodil?
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Naivefanboi✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Naivefanboi wrote: »Naivefanboi wrote: »Naivefanboi wrote: »
"All voice with... proximity settings". Why couldn't you meet new ppl through proximity voice? Seems to work well in real life...
Cause if they are ar a dolmen and need help, doubt ima hear them accross the map in craglorn, just 1 of many examples,
Not to mention voice chat from eso is unnecessary since most groups will be in psn party chat which will over ride eso anyways ... Gg zos typical
Sound like an immersive breath of fresh air to me.
Also, if proximity chat is enabled, psn chat may be the option to discard, depending on the scenairo. This may also help break up giant guild zergs, which everyone should be excited to see. I'm looking forward to it.
Enjoy it, ill be bypassing it with psn chat, since my guild will already be grouped, but we pick up pugs from zone chat to fill extra groups.
Good thing if zone chat gets too much for ya you can close the chat. Log, takrs like 2~5 seconds but totally managable even on a gamepad.
Wont be hearing proximity chat, unless i want to while sneaking around eaves dropping.
Cant wait to see some bandwidth from cyrodil go to voice comms ..... Im sure cyrodil doesnt need any extra help with latency lol
And zerging is a dead horse, issue was pointed out repeatedly before beta ... During beta .... Launch ect
Guess what ? RvRvR pvp is still a mess , been like that in every game thats had it. Gw2, DAoC ect
Devils advocate...what if BETA disables Cyrodil?
Wouldnt suprise me, why would u show potential customers cyrodil? Lmao lose 30% instantly.
And ruze im not talking about console party chat, reffering to proximity chat that some are sooo excited for. Its an eso feature sooo theyre gonna have to fit it in the same bandwidth.
But yea would!be funny if everyone uses the console party chat, idk if ps4 has dedicated party servers ... Lol never had any issue with voicecomms on ps4 works just aswell as ts3 vent raidcall ect0 -
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✭I guess we won't know for sure until the beta.
BTW, shouldn't the beta be launching by now? It's only 6 weeks from the release.0 -
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I keep thinking this each week as the console email for beta questionnaire was sent out earlier this month but.......maybe the game has been delayed to November due to some new reasonI guess we won't know for sure until the beta.
BTW, shouldn't the beta be launching by now? It's only 6 weeks from the release.
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H3Li0S✭✭✭I really hope they change their mind and give us text chat. Im french canadian, my english isnt bad, i can communicate in english pretty well in a chat but i never speak english and i don't feel comfortable with it.I am pretty sure i ain't the only one in this situation, I have a feeling this will just split the community... They should just give us the opportunity to toggle in game chat. FFXIV:RR has in game chat on PS4, i use a keyboard for chatting, if i couldnt chat in game, the game wouldnt feel the same.
What's is a Megaserver if you can't communicate properly ? ZOS is taking really weird descision without explanation...Edited by H3Li0S on April 21, 2015 7:27PM2 -
LorenzoButtigieg✭✭✭What about disabled people who are mute or have speech impediment, my friend is one of them and we always communicate via chat to make it easy for him.
These people will be driven away cause of this dissension. I really hope they change there minds because it would be a shame.Edited by LorenzoButtigieg on April 22, 2015 10:54AM2 -
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You're talking about a game which doesn't even have a colorblind mode... ZOS doesn't care.LorenzoButtigieg wrote: »What about disabled people who are mute or have speech impediment, my friend is one of them and we always communicate via chat to make it easy for him.
These people will be driven away cause of this dissension. I really hope they change there minds because it would be a shame.0