To the AD on Azura's Star

Zyle

Why are you helping EP?

Satiar

Discount at the local Argonian brothel. Claws and tails, man.

Zyle

Satiar wrote: »

Discount at the local Argonian brothel. Claws and tails, man.

lol, then I guess I can't blame them.

Satiar

people roll EP for a reason.

Zyle

Satiar wrote: »

people roll EP for a reason.

What would that reason be?

kewl

It may seem that way, but every time we pivot towards red, blue hits us.

Zyle

kewl wrote: »

It may seem that way, but every time we pivot towards red, blue hit's us.

On the Ash/Roe side or on BRK/Alessia side?

Zyle

Only reason I ask is because if it's BRK/Alessia side, that's just AD and DC clashing because we're both pushing on that side. If we're hitting Ash/Roe everytime you guys push EP, then that's another thing. I can tell you the majority of DC desperately wants to work with AD, as EP is almost double the score.

The main reason why I'm asking why AD is working with EP is because for the past week, when we start pushing EP, a certain 2 groups of AD is backpushing our keeps to stop our EP push.

I've contacted multiple of these AD players, and have even gotten responses like "You don't see me as red?"

I fully understand that there is no control over the actions of each player per faction, I'm just not understanding the mentality behind helping EP while they have the highest population and are ahead in score by double.

Cody

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

Only reason I ask is because if it's BRK/Alessia side, that's just AD and DC clashing because we're both pushing on that side. If we're hitting Ash/Roe everytime you guys push EP, then that's another thing. I can tell you the majority of DC desperately wants to work with AD, as EP is almost double the score.

The main reason why I'm asking why AD is working with EP is because for the past week, when we start pushing EP, a certain 2 groups of AD is backpushing our keeps to stop our EP push.

I've contacted multiple of these AD players, and have even gotten responses like "You don't see me as red?"

I fully understand that there is no control over the actions of each player per faction, I'm just not understanding the mentality behind helping EP while they have the highest population and are ahead in score by double.

that's similar to how it was when EP was in 3rd place by a huge margin.

everyone always double teamed EP...

lol.

Zyle

Cody wrote: »

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

Only reason I ask is because if it's BRK/Alessia side, that's just AD and DC clashing because we're both pushing on that side. If we're hitting Ash/Roe everytime you guys push EP, then that's another thing. I can tell you the majority of DC desperately wants to work with AD, as EP is almost double the score.

The main reason why I'm asking why AD is working with EP is because for the past week, when we start pushing EP, a certain 2 groups of AD is backpushing our keeps to stop our EP push.

I've contacted multiple of these AD players, and have even gotten responses like "You don't see me as red?"

I fully understand that there is no control over the actions of each player per faction, I'm just not understanding the mentality behind helping EP while they have the highest population and are ahead in score by double.

that's similar to how it was when EP was in 3rd place by a huge margin.

everyone always double teamed EP...

lol.

An extremely fair observation. I was originally EP when I first started playing, and I remember not winning any battle for days at a time.

I guess my main point is, I feel like every factions goal should be to win. Why is AD not trying to work with us to balance EP to a losing position so that they could be in position to take lead, even if that means teaming with EP again if DC gets too high in score. Why would AD further EP's lead?

Cody

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

Only reason I ask is because if it's BRK/Alessia side, that's just AD and DC clashing because we're both pushing on that side. If we're hitting Ash/Roe everytime you guys push EP, then that's another thing. I can tell you the majority of DC desperately wants to work with AD, as EP is almost double the score.

The main reason why I'm asking why AD is working with EP is because for the past week, when we start pushing EP, a certain 2 groups of AD is backpushing our keeps to stop our EP push.

I've contacted multiple of these AD players, and have even gotten responses like "You don't see me as red?"

I fully understand that there is no control over the actions of each player per faction, I'm just not understanding the mentality behind helping EP while they have the highest population and are ahead in score by double.

that's similar to how it was when EP was in 3rd place by a huge margin.

everyone always double teamed EP...

lol.

An extremely fair observation. I was originally EP when I first started playing, and I remember not winning any battle for days at a time.

I guess my main point is, I feel like every factions goal should be to win. Why is AD not trying to work with us to balance EP to a losing position so that they could be in position to take lead, even if that means teaming with EP again if DC gets too high in score. Why would AD further EP's lead?

who knows:( I competently get what you are saying, I've seen it many times.

It could be grudges(I remember DC relentlessly hitting EP in BwB despite AD having a gigantic lead) it could be they have friends, they could just be farming AP, who knows.

PikkonMG

Or maybe they have come to the conclusion that team green is why your both losing the campaign.

Zyle

Cody wrote: »

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

Only reason I ask is because if it's BRK/Alessia side, that's just AD and DC clashing because we're both pushing on that side. If we're hitting Ash/Roe everytime you guys push EP, then that's another thing. I can tell you the majority of DC desperately wants to work with AD, as EP is almost double the score.

The main reason why I'm asking why AD is working with EP is because for the past week, when we start pushing EP, a certain 2 groups of AD is backpushing our keeps to stop our EP push.

I've contacted multiple of these AD players, and have even gotten responses like "You don't see me as red?"

I fully understand that there is no control over the actions of each player per faction, I'm just not understanding the mentality behind helping EP while they have the highest population and are ahead in score by double.

that's similar to how it was when EP was in 3rd place by a huge margin.

everyone always double teamed EP...

lol.

An extremely fair observation. I was originally EP when I first started playing, and I remember not winning any battle for days at a time.

I guess my main point is, I feel like every factions goal should be to win. Why is AD not trying to work with us to balance EP to a losing position so that they could be in position to take lead, even if that means teaming with EP again if DC gets too high in score. Why would AD further EP's lead?

who knows:( I competently get what you are saying, I've seen it many times.

It could be grudges(I remember DC relentlessly hitting EP in BwB despite AD having a gigantic lead) it could be they have friends, they could just be farming AP, who knows.

Yeah, I'm definitely leaning more towards grudges xD. AD made a very impressive emp push yesterday, but then after they attacked Glade, all of DC was pushing AD instead of EP. Then DC logged, and EP pushed map.

PikkonMG wrote: »

Or maybe they have come to the conclusion that team green is why your both losing the campaign.

Care to explain a bit further?

Agrippa_Invisus

You can't overcome a large point gap by excluding a full faction's holdings as a place to gain points per hour from.

If AD/DC split the map evenly, each earns around 199-200 points per hour. If one side monopolizes the map, they get double that. If AD, for example, grabs the Imperial keeps and all six scrolls (relinquishing the pizza slices back to their owners as these get hard to hold) they earn about 330 points per hour. As the last place team, they need to catch up on both other factions, not just EP.

Zyle

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

You can't overcome a large point gap by excluding a full faction's holdings as a place to gain points per hour from.

If AD/DC split the map evenly, each earns around 199-200 points per hour. If one side monopolizes the map, they get double that. If AD, for example, grabs the Imperial keeps and all six scrolls (relinquishing the pizza slices back to their owners as these get hard to hold) they earn about 330 points per hour. As the last place team, they need to catch up on both other factions, not just EP.

I totally understand that, but you can't overcome a large point gap by furthering that gap...and as I said in my previous post, even if AD needed to team up with EP again if DC became too high in score, that would be understandable. What I'm not understanding, is why AD is doing everything possible to make themselves lose.

rambo4uub17_ESO

I think it has to do with ease of the push......I'm always on the EP side but recall days when AD was too strong to take keeps from so we went and worked on the DC side or vice versa. Wondering about what other factions were doing never seemed to enter the equation, it was more like which side was softer at the time.

Rojnaar

Can't really be mad at us who were lapping up the AP at the gate. Walking away from 5 digit ticks, and ton's of kill ap is hard to do amigo.

glak

"You don't see us as red?" should have been "We're accustomed to playing against team Purple" (DC + EP offensively supporting each other against & dividing what was a bigger AD)

rfennell_ESO

The entire notion that AD was helping EP is pretty laughable.

Last I checked it was usually DC showing up and sieging alongside EP vs AD. Not to say that DC and EP didn't fight, but there was regular cross faction teaming up going on... and this was AD not being pop locked and both DC and EP pop locked.

That's fine, but you gotta be just a little silly to think AD was working with EP heh. Well, other than the spies that are AD and taunt AD in /zone most of the time.

kaithuzar

I'm going to say what I can hopefully w/o letting the cat out of the bag. I think AD has the most hardcore nerds out of the faction & I'll claim that title on myself as well. There is a method to the madness so my recommendation to anyone asking questions about our tactics to go read Sun Tzu's Art of War. It's very obvious who has our scrolls & when & it's always on our priority table, but if the scenario isn't right for grabbing, then fighting for massive amounts of AP is fine until the scenario is right. Good leaders & good tacticians assess the map before they make the call.

Zyle

kaithuzar wrote: »

I'm going to say what I can hopefully w/o letting the cat out of the bag. I think AD has the most hardcore nerds out of the faction & I'll claim that title on myself as well. There is a method to the madness so my recommendation to anyone asking questions about our tactics to go read Sun Tzu's Art of War. It's very obvious who has our scrolls & when & it's always on our priority table, but if the scenario isn't right for grabbing, then fighting for massive amounts of AP is fine until the scenario is right. Good leaders & good tacticians assess the map before they make the call.

I was on AS for a very long time yesterday, from the point at which DC was being pushed by the EP night cappers 20 times at Alma to the point in which we crowned emp, and then when AD decided to log on.

I want to clarify, I have no problem with AD logging on and destroying everything in sight. I do have a problem, however, when DC has nothing but their back keeps and Ash, EP has AD scrolls, and I see AD smashing into Rayles for no reason. That allowed EP to push us with no resistance while maintaining your scrolls. Then I see a half assed attempt to grab a scroll from Farragut (I say half assed because the main AD zerg didn't attempt it) fail, and AD is back to hitting our back keeps.

I have read Sun Tzu's Art of War, and I'd say you guys don't qualify for any of that. Sounds like you guys just hit where the AP may be most. If that is the case, them simply say it.

I asked for clarification, and all I'm getting is "read this book" or "there is rhyme to our reason".

Zyle

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

The entire notion that AD was helping EP is pretty laughable.

Last I checked it was usually DC showing up and sieging alongside EP vs AD. Not to say that DC and EP didn't fight, but there was regular cross faction teaming up going on... and this was AD not being pop locked and both DC and EP pop locked.

That's fine, but you gotta be just a little silly to think AD was working with EP heh. Well, other than the spies that are AD and taunt AD in /zone most of the time.

I'm not sure what campaign you're in, but the most recent AS, EP/DC have been at each others throats. Where are you seeing them show up and sieging alongside EP versus AD?

JTorus

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

I have read Sun Tzu's Art of War, and I'd say you guys don't qualify for any of that. Sounds like you guys just hit where the AP may be most. If that is the case, them simply say it.

I asked for clarification, and all I'm getting is "read this book" or "there is rhyme to our reason".

"All warfare is based on deception."

"Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush him."

"If his forces are united, separate them."

"Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected."

"..the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself."

"The skillful fighter puts himself into a position which makes defeat impossible...."

"The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy..."

"Appear at points which the enemy must hasten to defend march swiftly to places where you are not expected."

"When you penetrate deeply into a country, it is serious ground."

Are you sure you've read it?

Zyle

JTorus wrote: »

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

I have read Sun Tzu's Art of War, and I'd say you guys don't qualify for any of that. Sounds like you guys just hit where the AP may be most. If that is the case, them simply say it.

I asked for clarification, and all I'm getting is "read this book" or "there is rhyme to our reason".

"All warfare is based on deception."

"Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush him."

"If his forces are united, separate them."

"Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected."

"..the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself."

"The skillful fighter puts himself into a position which makes defeat impossible...."

"The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy..."

"Appear at points which the enemy must hasten to defend march swiftly to places where you are not expected."

"When you penetrate deeply into a country, it is serious ground."

Are you sure you've read it?

Absolutely, but what you're not understanding is, you are doing nothing to further your lead by attacking DC home keeps while EP has your scrolls. You are furthering your loss. Are you sure you've understood what you've read?

JTorus

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

Absolutely, but what you're not understanding is, you are doing nothing to further your lead by attacking DC home keeps while EP has your scrolls. You are furthering your loss. Are you sure you've understood what you've read?

I beleive DC had emp at the time? The scrolls are trinkets, offering little more than a badge swiftly swapped from one hand to the next. Emperorship is more of an achievement, and with it comes morale, a thing best eroded swiftly at the first opportunity. It would seem that you were frustrated, confused, and upset by the tactics that played out last night? I would wager that was part of the goal.

Truthfully, all of this BS aside, the point is to enjoy the game. A balanced map, or one painted entirely in one faction's color is about as boring as it gets. Chaos is a good thing, even if it appears pointless.

Zyle

JTorus wrote: »

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

Absolutely, but what you're not understanding is, you are doing nothing to further your lead by attacking DC home keeps while EP has your scrolls. You are furthering your loss. Are you sure you've understood what you've read?

I beleive DC had emp at the time? The scrolls are trinkets, offering little more than a badge swiftly swapped from one hand to the next. Emperorship is more of an achievement, and with it comes morale, a thing best eroded swiftly at the first opportunity. It would seem that you were frustrated, confused, and upset by the tactics that played out last night? I would wager that was part of the goal.

Truthfully, all of this BS aside, the point is to enjoy the game. A balanced map, or one painted entirely in one faction's color is about as boring as it gets. Chaos is a good thing, even if it appears pointless.

DC had emp, yes, we had just gotten it after recovering from the EP nightcap crew. Then AD zerged in, and a select EP crew joined in at the same time. That doesn't address my point whatsoever though, my point is this: Why are you furthering your loss? If all AD can focus on is dethroning DC when EP has their scrolls and the majority of the map, then you deserve to lose the campaign.

I was only frustrated because of the double team, we could have held EP off but they had an out of campaign guild show up right when AD showed. Not confused or upset, absolutely dumbfounded by AD "tactics."

Cody

kaithuzar wrote: »

I'm going to say what I can hopefully w/o letting the cat out of the bag. I think AD has the most hardcore nerds out of the faction & I'll claim that title on myself as well. There is a method to the madness so my recommendation to anyone asking questions about our tactics to go read Sun Tzu's Art of War. It's very obvious who has our scrolls & when & it's always on our priority table, but if the scenario isn't right for grabbing, then fighting for massive amounts of AP is fine until the scenario is right. Good leaders & good tacticians assess the map before they make the call.

i call BS. I am pretty sure most of y'all have not read that book(if any of you) hard to adapt strategy from something you have not read

the fact you are going to THAT length to try to make your faction look good is.... worrisome

Cody

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

kaithuzar wrote: »

I'm going to say what I can hopefully w/o letting the cat out of the bag. I think AD has the most hardcore nerds out of the faction & I'll claim that title on myself as well. There is a method to the madness so my recommendation to anyone asking questions about our tactics to go read Sun Tzu's Art of War. It's very obvious who has our scrolls & when & it's always on our priority table, but if the scenario isn't right for grabbing, then fighting for massive amounts of AP is fine until the scenario is right. Good leaders & good tacticians assess the map before they make the call.

I was on AS for a very long time yesterday, from the point at which DC was being pushed by the EP night cappers 20 times at Alma to the point in which we crowned emp, and then when AD decided to log on.

I want to clarify, I have no problem with AD logging on and destroying everything in sight. I do have a problem, however, when DC has nothing but their back keeps and Ash, EP has AD scrolls, and I see AD smashing into Rayles for no reason. That allowed EP to push us with no resistance while maintaining your scrolls. Then I see a half assed attempt to grab a scroll from Farragut (I say half assed because the main AD zerg didn't attempt it) fail, and AD is back to hitting our back keeps.

I have read Sun Tzu's Art of War, and I'd say you guys don't qualify for any of that. Sounds like you guys just hit where the AP may be most. If that is the case, them simply say it.

I asked for clarification, and all I'm getting is "read this book" or "there is rhyme to our reason".

i doubt they have read that book. dont buy into that unless he posts a pic or a vid proving otherwise

Cody

JTorus wrote: »

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

Absolutely, but what you're not understanding is, you are doing nothing to further your lead by attacking DC home keeps while EP has your scrolls. You are furthering your loss. Are you sure you've understood what you've read?

I beleive DC had emp at the time? The scrolls are trinkets, offering little more than a badge swiftly swapped from one hand to the next. Emperorship is more of an achievement, and with it comes morale, a thing best eroded swiftly at the first opportunity. It would seem that you were frustrated, confused, and upset by the tactics that played out last night? I would wager that was part of the goal.

Truthfully, all of this BS aside, the point is to enjoy the game. A balanced map, or one painted entirely in one faction's color is about as boring as it gets. Chaos is a good thing, even if it appears pointless.

the arrogance is just.....

its amazing:D

That post where you pulled up all those Sun Tzu quotes...... I dont know whether to feel disgusted or just to laugh.

next time EP is winning ill pull up some Sun Tzu Art of War quotes too.

Agrippa_Invisus

Don't worry, DC.

You can untwist your feathers as I hear the map's blue again during a work hours daycap fest where 3 bars of blue plowed a map with one bar of each other faction.

Such skill, much pvp, so wow.

Cody

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Don't worry, DC.

You can untwist your feathers as I hear the map's blue again during a work hours daycap fest where 3 bars of blue plowed a map with one bar of each other faction.

Such skill, much pvp, so wow.

#ARGONIANMASTERRACE