its official: sorcs think we,re all stupid

hamon

sorcs think we,re all stupid. it's obvious to anyone right now sorcs AS A PACKAGE are the FOTM OP class since the champ system. ive played all 4 classes since and tried to see where the most effective builds are for each. i don't really have a bias cos i play all classes just to keep it fresh.

here's why i say sorcs think we,re stupid. everytime anyone points out what is glaringly obvious ( the sorc package is way way OP right now) they throw up all sorts of smoke screens to deflect from that conclusion in fear of ZOS taking away any of thier toys.

now i say the package. its not simply one ability that makes sorcs so far ahead at the moment. if you attack one skill they point out certain counters to deflect the arguement.

so here's the package.

SHIELDS = best in game no question (non ultimate) , hardened ward alone easily spammable for low cost especially due to the fact that it scales off magika unlike templar equivalent.

DPS = can be fully specced into with NO trade off for survivability due to shields not stacking off HP. again this is ahead of stamina stacking cos stamina stacking will be shared between DPS , dodge roll and block. This and all classes except sorc need to have more hp or magika or their shields are weak.

ESCAPE= the old fav , bolt escape.. no question the best means to evade death in the game. easily spammable when you have 25k magika and high regen, which is easily achievable by an average sorc in average gear.

so when put together this makes sorcs streets ahead of the rest right now. which is why i,m noticing more and more sorcs every day in pvp. now sorcs will throw up smoke screens about all these "perma dodge rollers" well ive yet to meet one of them . but cyrodiil is rapidly filling with insanely strong sorcs who can kill folk in seconds take a large amount of damage, then just when you think they are finnally cornered , have the resource left to blink 4 or 5 times rapid and evade death.

even while assuming we,re stupid and can't work this out for ourselves, they then post video's of themselves doing this , all the while jumping in every thread where someone points out how OP they are right now to say no sorcs are weak honestly..... sure thing..

still cos i have the luxury of having all 4 classes i can just join in with the sorcs and play one and get my fun till this insanity is rectified... but i'm not drinking the cool ade and being suckered into thinking sorcs are even remotely balanced..

bow down to your sorcerer overlords.

Dekkameron

The only sorc i have is a bow/dual wield... I don't think it's OP....

DezIsDead

Great more nerf sorc threads, and fittingly in the alliance war section right? On topic, I much prefer my NB's cloak to my sorcs blink escape. Yes Sheilds are awesome, maybe a little too awesome, but nerf the Sheilds, and then sorcs would have to go more points into hp which in turn mean less magicka, equates to lower dps (as your magicka pool also gives you your base spell damage before outside influences right? Or am I wrong?) so then they would have to buff damage. Idk why everyone is so mad about sorcs getting away from fights. Be like everyone, get some nirm armor, be OP and don't die to magicka anymore. Plus if your a stam build your probably running around with double my base damage already, now you want to lower my damage and my survivabilty all at once? Perma dodge rollers are everywhere, the fact you haven't seen them is astounding, would you like me to record a video for you and post it so you can see? Anyway I agree shield stacking is and has been insane, however the cyrodill 15% decrease to Sheilds does help a little. but unless you can come up with a viable alternative to fix it don't encourage ZOS to nerf it, because all it will do is completely break a class.

hamon

Dekkameron wrote: »

The only sorc i have is a bow/dual wield... I don't think it's OP....

if your playing a stamina sorc you aint OP, fair enough, You by choice are choosing to join in the stamina play , thats more viable now but ultimately second rate to magika sorcs..

ive messed about with stamina templar, stamina DK , and stamina NB .. some quite fun builds to be had ,, but in the end much less effective that magika sorcs...

stamina builds are very good if you want to gank. pop out of stealth and drop a couple of WB's and your golden.. doesnt matter which class right now.. but thats only one type of play.. once your in open battle your ripe for getting blown up in seconds by sorcs.

hamon

DezIsDead wrote: »

Great more nerf sorc threads, and fittingly in the alliance war section right? On topic, I much prefer my NB's cloak to my sorcs blink escape. Yes Sheilds are awesome, maybe a little too awesome, but nerf the Sheilds, and then sorcs would have to go more points into hp which in turn mean less magicka, equates to lower dps (as your magicka pool also gives you your base spell damage before outside influences right? Or am I wrong?) so then they would have to buff damage. Idk why everyone is so mad about sorcs getting away from fights. Be like everyone, get some nirm armor, be OP and don't die to magicka anymore. Plus if your a stam build your probably running around with double my base damage already, now you want to lower my damage and my survivabilty all at once? Perma dodge rollers are everywhere, the fact you haven't seen them is astounding, would you like me to record a video for you and post it so you can see? Anyway I agree shield stacking is and has been insane, however the cyrodill 15% decrease to Sheilds does help a little. but unless you can come up with a viable alternative to fix it don't encourage ZOS to nerf it, because all it will do is completely break a class.

you assume a few tweaks here and there would swing the pendulum from being OP to gimped.. as if there's nothing in the middle.. which again is completely insulting to anyone's intelligence..

i'm not saying lets gimp sorcs into the ground.. but anyone of even moderate honesty knows they need tweaking down a bit to level the playing field .. but you can't have a reasonable debate with sorcs cos they all want to deflect that , which is understandable.

but its so obvious they need tweaking , to believe otherwise is stupid imo.

just like when dk's were insanely OP , everyone knew it even the DK's who tried just as hard to deflect everyone.

ToRelax

The main problem is infinite resource builds, there are other things like rediculous stacking of weapon damage, but large resource pools with high regen and cost reduction is just rediculous. Nerfing any class because of this would be idiotic, fix what is broken.

Kaghei

hamon wrote: »

sorcs think we,re all stupid. it's obvious to anyone right now sorcs AS A PACKAGE are the FOTM OP class since the champ system. ive played all 4 classes since and tried to see where the most effective builds are for each. i don't really have a bias cos i play all classes just to keep it fresh.

No lol

Ive seen 3 sorcs playing sorc right this patch. Hard to kill, doing damage, the rest just bolt away, that doesnt make them good.

Literally every magicka nb with fear on their bar is hard to kill. its that simple nbs are by far the strongest class atm and it will never be admitted because 50%+ of the people who play this game are nbs.
Sure nbs dont have a heal or a shield, but they are so many other abilities that the other classes dont: shade teleport, fear, cloak, minor berserker, empower in a gap closer, soul harvest, dodge chance... the list goes on.
The fact that fear is the only cc not affected by block (fossilise, rune prism, luminous spears), to continue to cc after damage has been applied is stupid, let alone it affects 3 people....

Currently there are a few nbs using nirn armour and are practically unkillable. frags hit them for 5k when they arent being dodged, whips hit for 2k when youre in range. Then if youre not blocking you'll be smashed by a 10k soul harvest and if you are blocking you'll be feared then hit by 10k soul harvest.

Xiphyla

lol @ people who asking for sorc nerf.

DezIsDead

hamon wrote: »

DezIsDead wrote: »

Great more nerf sorc threads, and fittingly in the alliance war section right? On topic, I much prefer my NB's cloak to my sorcs blink escape. Yes Sheilds are awesome, maybe a little too awesome, but nerf the Sheilds, and then sorcs would have to go more points into hp which in turn mean less magicka, equates to lower dps (as your magicka pool also gives you your base spell damage before outside influences right? Or am I wrong?) so then they would have to buff damage. Idk why everyone is so mad about sorcs getting away from fights. Be like everyone, get some nirm armor, be OP and don't die to magicka anymore. Plus if your a stam build your probably running around with double my base damage already, now you want to lower my damage and my survivabilty all at once? Perma dodge rollers are everywhere, the fact you haven't seen them is astounding, would you like me to record a video for you and post it so you can see? Anyway I agree shield stacking is and has been insane, however the cyrodill 15% decrease to Sheilds does help a little. but unless you can come up with a viable alternative to fix it don't encourage ZOS to nerf it, because all it will do is completely break a class.

you assume a few tweaks here and there would swing the pendulum from being OP to gimped.. as if there's nothing in the middle.. which again is completely insulting to anyone's intelligence..

i'm not saying lets gimp sorcs into the ground.. but anyone of even moderate honesty knows they need tweaking down a bit to level the playing field .. but you can't have a reasonable debate with sorcs cos they all want to deflect that , which is understandable.

but its so obvious they need tweaking , to believe otherwise is stupid imo.

just like when dk's were insanely OP , everyone knew it even the DK's who tried just as hard to deflect everyone.

You say few tweaks, is that not what I said? I said shield stacking is an issue, it does need changed, but nerfing one class for something a lot of classes can do (although not as well) is not the answer. If I agree it needs changed but I don't know how, I think it's obvious I'm saying it needs tweaking. Your insulting your own intelligence by inferring I said one little change would destroy the class. I think I clearly stated that it needs to be done properly or the class would be useless. If I didn't there it is. This is a sad attempt to push an agenda by you and you haven't provided one thing constructive. If you have an idea on how to fix the issue let's hear it. Otherwise stop saying people are insulting others intelligence. Most people on this section truly try to have creative discussions, not just yell nerf every 5 seconds.

themdogesbite

Woah woah woah, sorcs?? Im sure you mean NIGHTBLADES are the overlords.

hamon

DezIsDead wrote: »

hamon wrote: »

DezIsDead wrote: »

Great more nerf sorc threads, and fittingly in the alliance war section right? On topic, I much prefer my NB's cloak to my sorcs blink escape. Yes Sheilds are awesome, maybe a little too awesome, but nerf the Sheilds, and then sorcs would have to go more points into hp which in turn mean less magicka, equates to lower dps (as your magicka pool also gives you your base spell damage before outside influences right? Or am I wrong?) so then they would have to buff damage. Idk why everyone is so mad about sorcs getting away from fights. Be like everyone, get some nirm armor, be OP and don't die to magicka anymore. Plus if your a stam build your probably running around with double my base damage already, now you want to lower my damage and my survivabilty all at once? Perma dodge rollers are everywhere, the fact you haven't seen them is astounding, would you like me to record a video for you and post it so you can see? Anyway I agree shield stacking is and has been insane, however the cyrodill 15% decrease to Sheilds does help a little. but unless you can come up with a viable alternative to fix it don't encourage ZOS to nerf it, because all it will do is completely break a class.

you assume a few tweaks here and there would swing the pendulum from being OP to gimped.. as if there's nothing in the middle.. which again is completely insulting to anyone's intelligence..

i'm not saying lets gimp sorcs into the ground.. but anyone of even moderate honesty knows they need tweaking down a bit to level the playing field .. but you can't have a reasonable debate with sorcs cos they all want to deflect that , which is understandable.

but its so obvious they need tweaking , to believe otherwise is stupid imo.

just like when dk's were insanely OP , everyone knew it even the DK's who tried just as hard to deflect everyone.

You say few tweaks, is that not what I said? I said shield stacking is an issue, it does need changed, but nerfing one class for something a lot of classes can do (although not as well) is not the answer. If I agree it needs changed but I don't know how, I think it's obvious I'm saying it needs tweaking. Your insulting your own intelligence by inferring I said one little change would destroy the class. I think I clearly stated that it needs to be done properly or the class would be useless. If I didn't there it is. This is a sad attempt to push an agenda by you and you haven't provided one thing constructive. If you have an idea on how to fix the issue let's hear it. Otherwise stop saying people are insulting others intelligence. Most people on this section truly try to have creative discussions, not just yell nerf every 5 seconds.

you also said this but unless you can come up with a viable alternative to fix it don't encourage ZOS to nerf it, because all it will do is completely break a class.

which as you know is the emotive language of "dont touch it or we,re totally broken"

now i wasn't screaming for the nerf of a single ability, cos as you know that opens the door to all the strawman arguements of direct comparisons to whatever they think is favourable as a distraction of the whole package being Op.

if you talk about frags, they compare to WB or snipe. if you talk about shields they try to deflect with armour types as a comparrison.. if you talk about bolt they talk about cloak..

so basically the real balanced counter to all those skills would be a a class who could stack stamina have massive regen while wearing heavy armour and being able to spam cloak .. which doesnt really work ,, as they well know.

Elara_Northwind

I think its about time that sorcerers were able to do great damage and survive. Before the update, my magic sorcerer was partially retired and now she is finally good enough to play again! Sorcerers do have some powerful shields and damage skills, but we also lack in other areas, such as self heals (unless you count dark exchange, which is a joke and leaves us completely vulnerable) And the fact that most sorcerers wear light armour, and so once our shields have been broken down, we can be one shot fairly easily... All classes have an advantage in some area or another, and at least sorcerers aren't as OP as the DK's before update! Some of which were literally invincible! If they nerf sorcerer, then they should nerf 2 handed and NB stealth damage also, as my Templar has been one shot by a two handed sword or a NB stealth attack far more often than any sorcerer skills...

Bashev

As I said it before I will say it again. Sorcs skills synergize extremely well in 1.6 because of the soft cap removal and the rest of the magcika skills as healing ward, magicka detonation, efficent purge, entropy, etc. The most important part for their success though is their mobility. Nerf a little bit BE and then Sors will be balanced.

Rylana

"Overpowered" Magicka Sorc, meet 2h weapon damage stam build DK or NB. (especially DK)

Crit charge, talons (or fear), wreck, repeat. Sorc dead.

Youre welcome.

Some_Guy

Have you tried changing your build? I don't mean to insult your intelligence, but I've seen plenty of people kill plenty of sorcs (I don't include potential hackers/exploiters in this statement). And as was pointed out, there are numerous ways to counter them. They're tougher now, and tweaking might help, but as with many of the problems this game has had, tweaking could lead to a domino effect and changing one ability can inadvertently affect another, which affects another, and so on.
If (and most likely when) the tweaking is done, it needs to be tested thoroughly, or they're going to send sorcerers back to the dark ages again.

hamon

SadieJoan wrote: »

I think its about time that sorcerers were able to do great damage and survive. Before the update, my magic sorcerer was partially retired and now she is finally good enough to play again! Sorcerers do have some powerful shields and damage skills, but we also lack in other areas, such as self heals (unless you count dark exchange, which is a joke and leaves us completely vulnerable) And the fact that most sorcerers wear light armour, and so once our shields have been broken down, we can be one shot fairly easily... All classes have an advantage in some area or another, and at least sorcerers aren't as OP as the DK's before update! Some of which were literally invincible!

see here's another fav sorc deflection ... self heals, but thats deflecting the fact you can re-cast 16k wards instantly for the same rough price of one cast of BOL on a templar .. thats the largest instant cast heal in the game.. which doesnt heal for 16k a cast and costs more magika.

and add to that you cant be crit through your 16k shield .. so why would you need a heal on top of that?

Bahalul

Woah 16k ward.

I want one.

But my 32k magicka only gives me 10k shield.

Any sorc help me how to get 16k shield?

pls

Rune_Relic

The price of rock paper scissors designs. Unbalancable.

Bashev

hamon wrote: »

SadieJoan wrote: »

I think its about time that sorcerers were able to do great damage and survive. Before the update, my magic sorcerer was partially retired and now she is finally good enough to play again! Sorcerers do have some powerful shields and damage skills, but we also lack in other areas, such as self heals (unless you count dark exchange, which is a joke and leaves us completely vulnerable) And the fact that most sorcerers wear light armour, and so once our shields have been broken down, we can be one shot fairly easily... All classes have an advantage in some area or another, and at least sorcerers aren't as OP as the DK's before update! Some of which were literally invincible!

see here's another fav sorc deflection ... self heals, but thats deflecting the fact you can re-cast 16k wards instantly for the same rough price of one cast of BOL on a templar .. thats the largest instant cast heal in the game.. which doesnt heal for 16k a cast and costs more magika.

and add to that you cant be crit through your 16k shield .. so why would you need a heal on top of that?

Even if they need a heal they can bolt escape with a shield, switch to rest heal and came back. Yep thats what every sorc does

LameoveR

Bahalul wrote: »

Any sorc help me how to get 16k shield?

pls

Use the Force, young Padavan.

Bahalul

I bet no sorc can do 50k crystal frags like me.

I love making up numbers!

DezIsDead

hamon wrote: »

DezIsDead wrote: »

hamon wrote: »

DezIsDead wrote: »

Great more nerf sorc threads, and fittingly in the alliance war section right? On topic, I much prefer my NB's cloak to my sorcs blink escape. Yes Sheilds are awesome, maybe a little too awesome, but nerf the Sheilds, and then sorcs would have to go more points into hp which in turn mean less magicka, equates to lower dps (as your magicka pool also gives you your base spell damage before outside influences right? Or am I wrong?) so then they would have to buff damage. Idk why everyone is so mad about sorcs getting away from fights. Be like everyone, get some nirm armor, be OP and don't die to magicka anymore. Plus if your a stam build your probably running around with double my base damage already, now you want to lower my damage and my survivabilty all at once? Perma dodge rollers are everywhere, the fact you haven't seen them is astounding, would you like me to record a video for you and post it so you can see? Anyway I agree shield stacking is and has been insane, however the cyrodill 15% decrease to Sheilds does help a little. but unless you can come up with a viable alternative to fix it don't encourage ZOS to nerf it, because all it will do is completely break a class.

you assume a few tweaks here and there would swing the pendulum from being OP to gimped.. as if there's nothing in the middle.. which again is completely insulting to anyone's intelligence..

i'm not saying lets gimp sorcs into the ground.. but anyone of even moderate honesty knows they need tweaking down a bit to level the playing field .. but you can't have a reasonable debate with sorcs cos they all want to deflect that , which is understandable.

but its so obvious they need tweaking , to believe otherwise is stupid imo.

just like when dk's were insanely OP , everyone knew it even the DK's who tried just as hard to deflect everyone.

You say few tweaks, is that not what I said? I said shield stacking is an issue, it does need changed, but nerfing one class for something a lot of classes can do (although not as well) is not the answer. If I agree it needs changed but I don't know how, I think it's obvious I'm saying it needs tweaking. Your insulting your own intelligence by inferring I said one little change would destroy the class. I think I clearly stated that it needs to be done properly or the class would be useless. If I didn't there it is. This is a sad attempt to push an agenda by you and you haven't provided one thing constructive. If you have an idea on how to fix the issue let's hear it. Otherwise stop saying people are insulting others intelligence. Most people on this section truly try to have creative discussions, not just yell nerf every 5 seconds.

you also said this but unless you can come up with a viable alternative to fix it don't encourage ZOS to nerf it, because all it will do is completely break a class.

which as you know is the emotive language of "dont touch it or we,re totally broken"

now i wasn't screaming for the nerf of a single ability, cos as you know that opens the door to all the strawman arguements of direct comparisons to whatever they think is favourable as a distraction of the whole package being Op.

if you talk about frags, they compare to WB or snipe. if you talk about shields they try to deflect with armour types as a comparrison.. if you talk about bolt they talk about cloak..

so basically the real balanced counter to all those skills would be a a class who could stack stamina have massive regen while wearing heavy armour and being able to spam cloak .. which doesnt really work ,, as they well know.

I think your reading what I'm writing but not getting what I'm saying. I'm saying don't just tell ZOS to nerf it, because everything they touch breaks. Every "fix" breaks something else. Every act of balance they attempt makes so etching else unbalanced. Obviously people will always feel something is overpowered. But I think Sheilds are unanimously felt to be too strong. So what I was trying to say was yes they need fixed,however don't just say " nerf it" because they will, and it will break something else. Instead provide me with something you think would work, and maybe with some of the great minds her a few viable alternatives can be brought forward to ZOS.

Minnesinger

Fair enough sorcs are pretty awesome, but I wonder if you haven´t figured a way to beat them. On my nb the fights tend to be quite even. Of course, I have seen sorcs that I have less or even no chance of winning but that is due to them being really good. There is still a fair share of sorcs who are busy stacking shields or bolting away. They do no damage. If they escape good for them. Often I just kill them as easy as any class.

Maulkin

Bahalul wrote: »

Woah 16k ward.

I want one.

But my 32k magicka only gives me 10k shield.

Any sorc help me how to get 16k shield?

pls

I can help you. You just make fake numbers up.

I keep going round saying NBs hit for 30k, it's what I like doing. And tbh I'm closer to the truth than the OP

EDIT: I think he might be talking about Healing Ward, which can be 16k. That said, how is that a Sorc issue?

hamon

DezIsDead wrote: »

hamon wrote: »

DezIsDead wrote: »

hamon wrote: »

DezIsDead wrote: »

Great more nerf sorc threads, and fittingly in the alliance war section right? On topic, I much prefer my NB's cloak to my sorcs blink escape. Yes Sheilds are awesome, maybe a little too awesome, but nerf the Sheilds, and then sorcs would have to go more points into hp which in turn mean less magicka, equates to lower dps (as your magicka pool also gives you your base spell damage before outside influences right? Or am I wrong?) so then they would have to buff damage. Idk why everyone is so mad about sorcs getting away from fights. Be like everyone, get some nirm armor, be OP and don't die to magicka anymore. Plus if your a stam build your probably running around with double my base damage already, now you want to lower my damage and my survivabilty all at once? Perma dodge rollers are everywhere, the fact you haven't seen them is astounding, would you like me to record a video for you and post it so you can see? Anyway I agree shield stacking is and has been insane, however the cyrodill 15% decrease to Sheilds does help a little. but unless you can come up with a viable alternative to fix it don't encourage ZOS to nerf it, because all it will do is completely break a class.

you assume a few tweaks here and there would swing the pendulum from being OP to gimped.. as if there's nothing in the middle.. which again is completely insulting to anyone's intelligence..

i'm not saying lets gimp sorcs into the ground.. but anyone of even moderate honesty knows they need tweaking down a bit to level the playing field .. but you can't have a reasonable debate with sorcs cos they all want to deflect that , which is understandable.

but its so obvious they need tweaking , to believe otherwise is stupid imo.

just like when dk's were insanely OP , everyone knew it even the DK's who tried just as hard to deflect everyone.

You say few tweaks, is that not what I said? I said shield stacking is an issue, it does need changed, but nerfing one class for something a lot of classes can do (although not as well) is not the answer. If I agree it needs changed but I don't know how, I think it's obvious I'm saying it needs tweaking. Your insulting your own intelligence by inferring I said one little change would destroy the class. I think I clearly stated that it needs to be done properly or the class would be useless. If I didn't there it is. This is a sad attempt to push an agenda by you and you haven't provided one thing constructive. If you have an idea on how to fix the issue let's hear it. Otherwise stop saying people are insulting others intelligence. Most people on this section truly try to have creative discussions, not just yell nerf every 5 seconds.

you also said this but unless you can come up with a viable alternative to fix it don't encourage ZOS to nerf it, because all it will do is completely break a class.

which as you know is the emotive language of "dont touch it or we,re totally broken"

now i wasn't screaming for the nerf of a single ability, cos as you know that opens the door to all the strawman arguements of direct comparisons to whatever they think is favourable as a distraction of the whole package being Op.

if you talk about frags, they compare to WB or snipe. if you talk about shields they try to deflect with armour types as a comparrison.. if you talk about bolt they talk about cloak..

so basically the real balanced counter to all those skills would be a a class who could stack stamina have massive regen while wearing heavy armour and being able to spam cloak .. which doesnt really work ,, as they well know.

I think your reading what I'm writing but not getting what I'm saying. I'm saying don't just tell ZOS to nerf it, because everything they touch breaks. Every "fix" breaks something else. Every act of balance they attempt makes so etching else unbalanced. Obviously people will always feel something is overpowered. But I think Sheilds are unanimously felt to be too strong. So what I was trying to say was yes they need fixed,however don't just say " nerf it" because they will, and it will break something else. Instead provide me with something you think would work, and maybe with some of the great minds her a few viable alternatives can be brought forward to ZOS.

its not rocket science you just tweak, adjust the numbers so they come into line... i,m not asking for removals of whole skills etc... just simple tweaks... adjust base cost of skills. or base damage , or change shields to stack from HP same as on temps.... small tweaks ,, not big smashes of the nerf hammer.

Legedric

Don't nerf Sorcerers... just bring other Specs (Stamina for example) in line with shielding and excape mechanics. Ok the shielding may be nerfed a bit though.

olsborg

How is stacking max stam not contributing to "perm dodge rollers" effectiveness? Youve encountered none? Ive encountered pleeeenty.

hamon

Legedric wrote: »

Don't nerf Sorcerers... just bring other Specs (Stamina for example) in line with shielding and excape mechanics. Ok the shielding may be nerfed a bit though.

indeed it doesnt need to be tweaked with nerfs, buffs to other things on other classes achieves the same result... either or a mix of both is clearly whats needed.

Xael

Stop whining and get some accountability for your failure. Stop making scapegoats for your poor decisions. Sorcs are not the problem, you are. I have no trouble at all with Sorcs on 3 different classes.

Artemiisia

And again OP of these threads only think of PVP..................

DKs had a year in PVP and in PVE as the masters, now its only PVE so I welcome the change for once

Elara_Northwind

hamon wrote: »

SadieJoan wrote: »

I think its about time that sorcerers were able to do great damage and survive. Before the update, my magic sorcerer was partially retired and now she is finally good enough to play again! Sorcerers do have some powerful shields and damage skills, but we also lack in other areas, such as self heals (unless you count dark exchange, which is a joke and leaves us completely vulnerable) And the fact that most sorcerers wear light armour, and so once our shields have been broken down, we can be one shot fairly easily... All classes have an advantage in some area or another, and at least sorcerers aren't as OP as the DK's before update! Some of which were literally invincible!

see here's another fav sorc deflection ... self heals, but thats deflecting the fact you can re-cast 16k wards instantly for the same rough price of one cast of BOL on a templar .. thats the largest instant cast heal in the game.. which doesnt heal for 16k a cast and costs more magika.

and add to that you cant be crit through your 16k shield .. so why would you need a heal on top of that?

Meh, I disagree that sorcerers need nerving. My Templar is far more OP than my sorc could ever hope to be. I don't stack shields with my Sorcerer, I only use one, and its not exactly fun having to bolt escape away because somebody is pounding you into the ground... We need these skills to be a viable class at all as most of our class abilities completely suck! A light armoured sorcerer would not stand a chance against a heavily armoured 2 handed DK without a shield or two (at least mine wouldn't)