Mooncalf broken

Rune_Relic

Can someone else corroborate ?


Setup 1...
BOOTS + HELMET + SHOULDERS OF AIR & JACK + GUARD OF CYRODIIL WARD
DOMINION SHIELD + PACTS SWORD
STAMINA 18085
ST REGEN 1600 [800 /s]

Setup 2....
5X MEDIUM
DOMINION SHIELD + PACTS SWORD
STAMINA 18494
ST REGEN 1034 [517 /s]

SPRINT COST 3100 / 2s [1550 /s]
MOONCALF 10%


Setup 1 continuous sprint time = app. 21s [expected 24s+]
Setup 2 continuous sprint time = app. 17s [expected 17s+]
18085 / (1550 - 800) = 24.11
18494 / (1550 - 517) = 17.90

Actual result....
18085 / (1550 - (800 /1.1)) = 21.98
18494 / (1550 - (517 /1.1)) = 17.12

Conclusion...
Mooncalf is being applied to character sheet, but not used in calculations.

Armitas

I tested it a different way and it appeared to be working. I tested it like this.

Hit dodge roll, wrote down my stamina then waited for first regen tick and compared the difference to determine how much stamina I regained at that tick. Then I put cp in and compared the difference to the previous value.

I know that when you stealth your stamina recovery drops to 0, something similar may happen while sprinting. That could be why the sprint test is failing. I have also experienced bugs where "recovery" is showing up in the character sheet but is only working while in combat. (more info on that here)

prototypefb

Rune_Relic wrote: »

Can someone else corroborate ?


Setup 1...
BOOTS + HELMET + SHOULDERS OF AIR & JACK + GUARD OF CYRODIIL WARD
DOMINION SHIELD + PACTS SWORD
STAMINA 18085
ST REGEN 1600 [800 /s]

Setup 2....
5X MEDIUM
DOMINION SHIELD + PACTS SWORD
STAMINA 18494
ST REGEN 1034 [517 /s]

SPRINT COST 3100 / 2s [1550 /s]
MOONCALF 10%


Setup 1 continuous sprint time = app. 21s [expected 24s+]
Setup 2 continuous sprint time = app. 17s [expected 17s+]
18085 / (1550 - 800) = 24.11
18494 / (1550 - 517) = 17.90

Actual result....
18085 / (1550 - (800 /1.1)) = 21.98
18494 / (1550 - (517 /1.1)) = 17.12

Conclusion...
Mooncalf is being applied to character sheet, but not used in calculations.

there are 2 different stamina regenerations - combat and non combat, non combat one is usually high, while you sprint stamina regenchanges into combat regeneration, which usually is a lot lower(unless you build for it) therefore sets that give you non-combat stamina regeneration will be useless at that point.
i beleive mooncalf is working correctly.

Rune_Relic

@Armitas Thanks for the link I will dig deeper.

@prototypefb You think its a combat regen vs noncombat regen issue ?
Ok maybe, but surely the character screen should match with the regen rate regardless ?
Should the indicated regen rates not change from one mode to the next to whatever mode is appropriate ?


Also there is nothing on the armour sets that says 'while in combat' ?

prototypefb

Rune_Relic wrote: »

@Armitas Thanks for the link I will dig deeper.

@prototypefb You think its a combat regen vs noncombat regen issue ?
Ok maybe, but surely the character screen should match with the regen rate regardless ?
Should the indicated regen rates not change from one mode to the next to whatever mode is appropriate ?


Also there is nothing on the armour sets that says 'while in combat' ?

well, if you have time you can test more.
i'm pretty sure many of the stamina regen bonuses are out of combat bonuses, unless specifically mentioned.

Jules

prototypefb wrote: »

Rune_Relic wrote: »

@Armitas Thanks for the link I will dig deeper.

@prototypefb You think its a combat regen vs noncombat regen issue ?
Ok maybe, but surely the character screen should match with the regen rate regardless ?
Should the indicated regen rates not change from one mode to the next to whatever mode is appropriate ?


Also there is nothing on the armour sets that says 'while in combat' ?

well, if you have time you can test more.
i'm pretty sure many of the stamina regen bonuses are out of combat bonuses, unless specifically mentioned.

If you download "harvens extended stats" you will be able to see your in combat stam recov and out of combat (or "idle") stam recov. Hope this helps your testing

Rune_Relic

prototypefb wrote: »

Rune_Relic wrote: »

@Armitas Thanks for the link I will dig deeper.

@prototypefb You think its a combat regen vs noncombat regen issue ?
Ok maybe, but surely the character screen should match with the regen rate regardless ?
Should the indicated regen rates not change from one mode to the next to whatever mode is appropriate ?


Also there is nothing on the armour sets that says 'while in combat' ?

well, if you have time you can test more.
i'm pretty sure many of the stamina regen bonuses are out of combat bonuses, unless specifically mentioned.

will do.

Rune_Relic

Jules wrote: »

prototypefb wrote: »

Rune_Relic wrote: »

@Armitas Thanks for the link I will dig deeper.

@prototypefb You think its a combat regen vs noncombat regen issue ?
Ok maybe, but surely the character screen should match with the regen rate regardless ?
Should the indicated regen rates not change from one mode to the next to whatever mode is appropriate ?


Also there is nothing on the armour sets that says 'while in combat' ?

well, if you have time you can test more.
i'm pretty sure many of the stamina regen bonuses are out of combat bonuses, unless specifically mentioned.

If you download "harvens extended stats" you will be able to see your in combat stam recov and out of combat (or "idle") stam recov. Hope this helps your testing

I'll see if its 2.0+ ready without adding to the problems.....thanks.
No reports of freaky stats with this ?

Frankly I am having a hard time trusting anything at the moment lol.

Jules

Rune_Relic wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

prototypefb wrote: »

Rune_Relic wrote: »

@Armitas Thanks for the link I will dig deeper.

@prototypefb You think its a combat regen vs noncombat regen issue ?
Ok maybe, but surely the character screen should match with the regen rate regardless ?
Should the indicated regen rates not change from one mode to the next to whatever mode is appropriate ?


Also there is nothing on the armour sets that says 'while in combat' ?

well, if you have time you can test more.
i'm pretty sure many of the stamina regen bonuses are out of combat bonuses, unless specifically mentioned.

If you download "harvens extended stats" you will be able to see your in combat stam recov and out of combat (or "idle") stam recov. Hope this helps your testing

I'll see if its 2.0+ ready without adding to the problems.....thanks.
No reports of freaky stats with this ?

Frankly I am having a hard time trusting anything at the moment lol.

I haven't heard any reports no. But yeah I feel you, always the possibility. And testing things based on false stats is just craptastic.

Rune_Relic

Update:

Harvens attribute bars....show stamina reg rates and costs live.
Harvens extended stats ..show missing stamina idle regen

Test 1 - no armour

stamina = 15793
sprint cost 3600 /2s
regen = 734 /2s
idle regen = 1469 /2s
sprinting shows -550 every 0.5 seconds
sprinting out of combat... -550 active & +1469 recovering
sprinting in combat... -550 active & +734 recovering

15793 / ((3600/2)-(1469/2)) = 14.82s sprint time (in or out of combat)
(550*4 + 1469) / 2 = 1,834.5 sprint cost /s

Test 2 - various medium armour 7 pc

stamina = 20771
sprint cost 3600 /2s
regen = 1930 /2s
idle regen = 1785 /2s
sprinting shows -451 every 0.5 seconds
sprinting out of combat... -451 active & +1785 recovering
sprinting in combat... -451 active & +1930 recovering

20771 / ((3600/2)-(1785/2)) = 22.88s sprint time (in or out of combat)
(451*4 + 1785) / 2 = 1,794.5 sprint cost /s

Conclusion:
In or out of combat stamina gets used at the same rate [-451 or -550 per half second].
As the sprint cost is fixed at app. 1800/s this can only mean..
a. only idle regen is being used for sprinting which appears all over the place and is not shown by ZOS
but the recovery rate when the sprint is stopped is that shown for idle or combat mode.

I will look into other abilities...
-53 sneak both modes [per half second]
-2709 dodge both modes
.. on test 2 setup