pls fix NB cloak

Lhorion

of course for magicka NBs it will be OP. Stamina NBs will still have limitated magicka. But as I said: Stamina builds have to use this skill in an other way. Like every class has to use the magicka skills in a different way when they run with a stamina build.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

BrassRazoo wrote: »

I'm sick of NBs just vanishing right in front of your eyes while they have a bunch of guys shooting (and hitting) them.

See the problem there he "vanished" but still take damage

Cody

BrassRazoo wrote: »

I'm sick of NBs just vanishing right in front of your eyes while they have a bunch of guys shooting (and hitting) them.

and im sick of being pulled out of cloak by a gap closer AFTER i cloaked.

SRIBES

Lol it works fine for me.
Just roll dodge then cloak to avoid incoming damage sounds more like a l2p issue cloak feels great 1.6. If it was any better it would be OP- this is coming from someone who mains a NB and PvPs almost everyday. Zos has made lots of great changes in 1.6 to cloak.. Guards can't see you when you cloak is probably my favorite change.
NBs are by far the most annoying class to fight in PvP atm due to cloak, you can't kill what you can't see. Only thing that limits you is your magicka pool and being able to roll dodge before hand to move out of the way and dodge some more damage.

Cody

ChannelTribes wrote: »

Lol it works fine for me.
Just roll dodge then cloak to avoid incoming damage sounds more like a l2p issue cloak feels great 1.6. If it was any better it would be OP- this is coming from someone who mains a NB and PvPs almost everyday. Zos has made lots of great changes in 1.6 to cloak.. Guards can't see you when you cloak is probably my favorite change.
NBs are by far the most annoying class to fight in PvP atm due to cloak, you can't kill what you can't see. Only thing that limits you is your magicka pool and being able to roll dodge before hand to move out of the way and dodge some more damage.

then you are lucky:(

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

ChannelTribes wrote: »

Lol it works fine for me.
Just roll dodge then cloak to avoid incoming damage sounds more like a l2p issue cloak feels great 1.6. If it was any better it would be OP- this is coming from someone who mains a NB and PvPs almost everyday. Zos has made lots of great changes in 1.6 to cloak.. Guards can't see you when you cloak is probably my favorite change.
NBs are by far the most annoying class to fight in PvP atm due to cloak, you can't kill what you can't see. Only thing that limits you is your magicka pool and being able to roll dodge before hand to move out of the way and dodge some more damage.

Rolling into a cloak only works sometimes

Piedplat

Stealth is brocken since closed beta, soooo... atleast if you beleave in god or santa, you better not suspect a fix.

True story

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

I will say this if you can kill them and don't hit anyone else it's works more often

Zsymon

My Dark Cloak keeps failing randomly against completely normal monsters. I recast over and over, but it keeps failing every single time, I just drop out of Cloak after half a second for no reason. They're not attacking me, they're not CC-immune, just melee bandits walking up to me.

Smaxx

Any chance you've got a damage over time effect on them? Or some damage that's delayed (like an arrow still in the air)?

Zsymon

Smaxx wrote: »

Any chance you've got a damage over time effect on them? Or some damage that's delayed (like an arrow still in the air)?

My Cloak breaks if I have a damage over time effect on my target? Wasn't that fixed long ago?

Piedplat

Zsymon wrote: »

My Cloak breaks if I have a damage over time effect on my target? Wasn't that fixed long ago?

Since beta there have not really fix for the stealth and cloak.

Cody

some DoTs still break cloak:(

Zsymon

I tried to do a triple world boss that didn't have CC-immunity, but it was impossible because the cloak kept breaking over and over and over for no reason. I didn't have any DoTs on my targets, or on myself, but it just kept breaking a split second after casting it.

This stinks.

I remember playing a Nightblade near the beginning of the game, and Dark Cloak worked much much better in pve then. It did not break constantly for no reason like this, certainly not five times in a row.

Smaxx

I'd disagree. I didn't even consider using the skill for almost a year since it kept breaking for no apparent reason.

NPCs ignoring it are a different issue, but I think my biggest gripe with stealth is it's unreliability and intransparence (pun intended).

IMO the situation became better, especially in PvP, but you still can't rely on it. Yesterday I took out two players without issues, going in and our of stealth. The next fight I couldn't stay hidden for even a second.

Joy_Division

Lava_Croft wrote: »

I'm a non-Vampire Magicka Nightblade and I depend heavily on Cloak. It's nowhere near as broken as some of you make it out to be, but it certainly isn't free of any problems. Like a lot of other skills.

However, there are too many ways to counter Cloak.

Truth.

BloodStorm

Elusive mist replaced shadow cloak for me personally. All around better in my opinion but it would be nice to have cloak work for non-vampire nightblades. Also cloak does not work vs guards in the justice system they still see you of course. This alone made this skill become useless to me.

Cody

Zsymon wrote: »

I tried to do a triple world boss that didn't have CC-immunity, but it was impossible because the cloak kept breaking over and over and over for no reason. I didn't have any DoTs on my targets, or on myself, but it just kept breaking a split second after casting it.

This stinks.

I remember playing a Nightblade near the beginning of the game, and Dark Cloak worked much much better in pve then. It did not break constantly for no reason like this, certainly not five times in a row.

CC immune enemies are also immune to cloak now.

Lava_Croft

Cloak does not break on outgoing DoTs. This was fixed a while ago.

DagothMacellarius wrote: »

Elusive mist replaced shadow cloak for me personally. All around better in my opinion but it would be nice to have cloak work for non-vampire nightblades. Also cloak does not work vs guards in the justice system they still see you of course. This alone made this skill become useless to me.

Elusive Mist is like a free kill for my Crippling Grasp spamming Nightblade.

Sylveria_Relden

Cody wrote: »

Zsymon wrote: »

I tried to do a triple world boss that didn't have CC-immunity, but it was impossible because the cloak kept breaking over and over and over for no reason. I didn't have any DoTs on my targets, or on myself, but it just kept breaking a split second after casting it.

This stinks.

I remember playing a Nightblade near the beginning of the game, and Dark Cloak worked much much better in pve then. It did not break constantly for no reason like this, certainly not five times in a row.

CC immune enemies are also immune to cloak now.

Yeah, for such a short duration period, you'd figure there would be no immunity to cloak. Either they should increase its duration, or there shouldn't be an immunity IMO.

Smaxx

It's the same for sneaking rather than using cloak. IMO those enemies would need a visual indicator (visible only while sneaking or being invisible) similar to disguises.

helediron

And considering everybody can use 15 second invisibility potions, there is no reason to keep cloak so short and buggy.

Nutronic

The 15 second invis potions might seem OP, but they aren't spamable and once your stealth is broken from a potion you have to wait 40-45 seconds before you can do it again. There is no comparison, cloak is spamable and therefore safer. If potions work better, it's only because they are finite.

Cloak should have a 4-5 sec length tops if it ever gets buffed. Also it seems to me that shadowy disguise is more important for the free crit proc it provides in combat, not some implied get out of damage free card. I personally find it broken that I can spam it on my NB during boss fights and get free hits while the mobs just stand there. That's not really playing the game so much as it's playing the game.

That being said, I've noticed melee bosses/mobs tend to be harder to shake and I assume that's because they might have a stealth detection bonus. It seems pretty consistent which ones too (bone golems, deadroth, other heavy hitters). I'd also agree it could use a bit more player side information as to why it fails especially in PVP. I will also admit it wasn't very attractive to me before 1.6 when I could rock a hybrid restro/bow NB due to the costs, but I think that's where race and other factors should come into play if you're more stamina based.

Either way, I think more empirical testing should be done before people label it broken and demand a fix. All I can say from what I've seen is that situation, lag, and who are the big determining factors whether or not it works; nothing really seems to be broken with the ability itself.

(I can also attest to DoTs not breaking it's stealth as I've been in duels with poison using players and it never broke their stealth, although it did make them easier to find. I think it trades some of your detection radius away when you do that but that's just a crazy theory to explain why I could see them when I got closer with a dot vs getting closer without one.)

Seth_Black

Dark Cloak won't work if:

1. you've got ANY damage over time effect on you, it breaks stealth instantly (EVEN invisibility potion)
2. detection potions CAN and always will detect you - that's completely normal and works ONLY at some specific range
3. piercing mark will detect you anyway - that's how it SHOULD work
4. Dark Cloak removes ONE damage over time effect anything more prevents from entering stealth - again, completely normal
5. Dark Clock DOESN'T cloak you from any AoE damage taken and stealth will be ALWAYS broken instantly when taking any form of damage.

In short - it's not broken

And before you start raging ...my main and only character is a nightblade and YES I'm using dark cloak
but it's always combined with Shuffle from medium armor. This way I'm removing snares, then jumping into cloak to remove DoT and hide.
Also combo of: Double Take -> Dark Cloak -> Invisibility+Speed Potion works perfectly fine if you want to escape.

Honestly? It does requires some skill for sure but it's also good to use buildings/ruins/trees or any environment cover too.

Just don't claim something is broken if it isn't

Seth_Black

Dark Cloak won't work if:

1. you've got ANY damage over time effect on you, it breaks stealth instantly (EVEN invisibility potion)
2. detection potions CAN and always will detect you - that's completely normal and works ONLY at some specific range
3. piercing mark will detect you anyway - that's how it SHOULD work
4. Dark Cloak removes ONE damage over time effect anything more prevents from entering stealth - again, completely normal
5. Dark Clock DOESN'T cloak you from any AoE damage taken and stealth will be ALWAYS broken instantly when taking any form of damage.

In short - it's not broken

And before you start raging ...my main and only character is a nightblade and YES I'm using dark cloak
but it's always combined with Shuffle from medium armor. This way I'm removing snares, then jumping into cloak to remove DoT and hide.
Also combo of: Double Take -> Dark Cloak -> Invisibility+Speed Potion works perfectly fine if you want to escape.

Honestly? It does requires some skill for sure but it's also good to use buildings/ruins/trees or any environment cover too.

Just don't claim something is broken if it isn't

Rune_Relic

BrassRazoo wrote: »

I'm sick of NBs just vanishing right in front of your eyes while they have a bunch of guys shooting (and hitting) them.

But its ok for a sorc to stack shield and flit away from combat while they have a bunch of guys shooting (and hitting) them ?
/sighs

Seth_Black

Rune_Relic wrote: »

BrassRazoo wrote: »

I'm sick of NBs just vanishing right in front of your eyes while they have a bunch of guys shooting (and hitting) them.

But its ok for a sorc to stack shield and flit away from combat while they have a bunch of guys shooting (and hitting) them ?
/sighs

Everyone should maybe rage on templars too?
Good templar player just kills everything ...and walks away

Molagent

morf87 wrote: »

Im so tired of being pulled out of cloak by half the skills in the game, cloak is not a minor skill..its a class defining skill. ESO is 1 year old, how much longer do we have to wait for you to get your act together ? like i have said before if bolt escape and green dragon blood worked 50% of the time or even less like cloak there would be an uproar..im not sure you understand how critical cloak is and how frustrating it is to use your whole magika pool and it do nothing not to mention detect pots being able to see players using cloak...
Pls fix asap before i lose my patience with my NB and this game and im sure im not the only one who feels this way.

The hell...? You use cloak? I've never used or heard of anyone using it. It's a slot killer ability, any class can stealth just fine without it and does. Class defining? L. M. A. O. Our "class defining" skills are Siphoning Strikes and it's morphs even if Zenimax says one wasn't ever supposed to heal or ever did (and it so does), Path of Darkness, and Bolstering Darkness. Others that just make us badass is Drain Power and morphs, Surprise attack, Ambush/Lotus, Reaper's Mark and Relentless Focus. Even if you were using a doubled up DW I can't ever imagine using cloak. Ever. It doesn't save a life, it doesn't help (other then for what.. 1 or 2 possible stuns on entering combat?) I don't even understand why we have the skill to begin with. I've never even seen it used once in Cyrodiil.

Vizier

1: Cloak and stealth are working way better than they used to.

2: Cloak and stealth while working better are now mitigated by increased methods of detection so cloak and stealth gains are now null and void.

3. About the only way to make cloak viable in PvP is to also be a Vampire for movement speed to keep or gain distance from detection sources AND be very proficient with the use of Blur-Double Take, rapid maneuvers and Purge. Movement speed is the overall best synergy with cloak. If you dont' have that you have nothing.

4: However, Purge isn't really working very well and fails more than 50% of the time in removing Mark and Curse.

5: Blur is good but other classes pretty much have access to the same spell in med armor skill evasion. (it's virtually the same exact skill.)

Honestly I use cloak to decent effect and I am happier with it now than before 1.6. It is a life-saver but not by it'self. As stated above. It needs other skills attached to it in order for it to keep you alive. Rapid Maneuvers for great speed boost and initial immunity vs CC, Blur-double-take for extra dodge then spamming cloak works most of the time. This helps you get out of LOS and use terrain to evade those pesky pursuing Sorcs- hate those guys.

ZOS needs to:

1: Make Cloak actually remove one from combat and keep them there. (no more popping back out of stealth because someone was damaged and moved out of LOS. I think part of THAT problem may be that if a player is damaged by a NB but moves off BUT remains in combat with others it keeps the NB in combat even though they are now 100's of meters away from each other and out of LOS.) Just make cloak remove a NB from combat permanently until they engage or are engaged again.)

2: Cloak should be better than all other invisibility methods by trumping all detection methods EXCEPT maybe Magelight. IMO Magelight should be a cast spell that lasts for about 20 secends but if cloak actually trumped everything else the current toggled spell can be lived with.

3: Cloak should last about 5 seconds. The 2.9 seconds max is just dumb. Who the hell every thought that was OK? Of course when it matters the spel doesn't last 2.9 seconds but rather needs to be spammed every .5 seconds or so because it keeps being broken.

DGVish

Shadow Cloak and it's morphs aren't meant to completely drop combat and instantly enter Stealth. That would be insanely powerful. It's meant to drop targeting and give you a slight edge IN COMBAT. It accomplishes this probably 7/10 times. Multiple factors go into getting a clean "stealth" with it: Projectiles already coming towards you, AoE abilities, and the ill-timed auto attack. If there's a MOB of players attacking you, you should probably double dodge roll+Cloak instead of just spam Cloak and hoping they miraculously don't know how to find you.

The ability could use a safeguard from being seen from flares and other revealing mechanics.

In PvE it works pretty well from my experience. 9/10 times it works as intended. 3+ mobs>Shadow Cloak>Surprise Attack for CC on one, or follow it up with a Wrecking Blow.

In PvP there's a lot more going on and things you just can't control. That's why Shadow Cloak looses some of it's effectiveness. People think just because they're a Nightblade they should be impossible to find in Stealth. So many people have the "WoW Rogue" mentality of "Vanishing." "

I should have an ability to "VANISH" because I'm a Nightblade"... no you have to work at it. This isn't WoW. Also Shadow Cloak makes it easier to do this. It's not a one button "STEALTHderp" but it makes it considerably easier.

People want to be in super close quarters as a NB and expect to not be seen. It's just not attractive gameplay IMO. The idea of being with a group is safety or strength in numbers. The playstyle yall are looking for scrubs that idea completely. You're wanting to go into a large group, instagib a healer or priority target, and walk away unscathed. That's not fun for anyone except you.

In small group situations of 5-10 people, of which there are plenty, it is a very powerful ability. You can smoke a priority target or lock a healer down and escape in situations like that.