Paulington wrote: »Accounts are "activated" by buying a copy of the game on PC, I imagine it will work the same with Consoles which would mean you'll both have to buy your own copy it seems to me.
liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »
liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »Ever since the PS3 me and my friend have game shared. Will ESO work the same way as any other ps4 game or will needing an account result in both of us having to buy are own copy?
NewBlacksmurf wrote: »liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »Ever since the PS3 me and my friend have game shared. Will ESO work the same way as any other ps4 game or will needing an account result in both of us having to buy are own copy?
Glad you posted this. I'm not on PS4 but have similar Xbox One related questions. This is a GREAT question for PS4!
Xbox one?
-Does my home Xbox allow anyone to play the game for free IF their account is setup?
-IF the above works and I have two Xbox One's sharing gold on my home Xbox one can I play on another console while a friend plays using my home xbox one and shared gold on my home xbox one?
There all work on other games but I don't have any info on IF TESO uses the Xbox profile or a Zenimax profile linked to xbox profile.
Game sharing is piracy.
starkerealm wrote: »Game sharing is piracy.
In the context of passing a CD to someone, letting them install and then wandering off? Yeah. Especially when you're talking about games that shipped without disk authentication or any DRM scheme.
In the context of consoles? Usually not so much, because the disk is the game. Or at least that was a little more clear cut. Sharing was actually passing it to them to someone else.
I mean at a really basic level, we're talking about someone paying for one copy of a game and two copies ending up in the wild.
Steam, PSN, and a few others are playing with the idea of sharing plans where you can temporarily pass a game between accounts. It's not piracy, and there isn't an unauthorized copy floating around. Especially since, in both cases, it's with the publisher's blessing.
It's emulating the whole, "I've got a disk, you want to mess around with it for a bit?" Without penalizing people over it. It's also not universal. IIRC Ubisoft titles don't work with Steam's Sharing system. And setting it up is kind of a pain. I don't know about Sony's take, except that it exists.
liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »Ps4 game sharing only works with digital copies.
I am allowed to instal a digital copy on my primary system and not need to be connected to the Internet to play. On the other console I do have to be connected to the Internet to play.
So my ps4 is at my friends set as the primary and my friends ps4 is in my house set as his primary.
When I buy a game he can play it because he's the primary and doesn't have to be logged in as me to play it. When I sign in I am on the Internet so I can sign in as me and still play the game.
Allowing both of us to play one copy of the game each using are own account.
starkerealm wrote: »liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »Ps4 game sharing only works with digital copies.
I am allowed to instal a digital copy on my primary system and not need to be connected to the Internet to play. On the other console I do have to be connected to the Internet to play.
So my ps4 is at my friends set as the primary and my friends ps4 is in my house set as his primary.
When I buy a game he can play it because he's the primary and doesn't have to be logged in as me to play it. When I sign in I am on the Internet so I can sign in as me and still play the game.
Allowing both of us to play one copy of the game each using are own account.
Yeah. I'm guessing, so, take this with a grain or twenty of salt, but I don't think ESO will work with that unless ZoS specifically goes out of their way to work with it. The problem is, even for the console release, you're going to need to set up an account, and I don't think you can log into the same account on the same server multiple times. I know you can log into the NA and PTS servers simultaneously, and I think you can sign in on the EU server along with them. But that's about the extent of multiple log ins from the same account.
Since there's no longer a subscription fee, I'd be really surprised if they'd let a single game key create multiple accounts.
The original idea of the features that allow "game-sharing" was to allow a person or household who has multiple systems the ability to download one game on as many as five different consoles, by having up to 5 'active' consoles attached to their account. Because of this, players were swapping their PSN accounts with other players, activating their PS3s under different PSN IDs and downloading other's games. Thus, game-sharing was born.
This policy was changed back in 2011 to only allow 2 active PS3s to be associated with a PSN-ID at a time. There was never any "official" reason for this change. It just happened, but we all know it was to cut down on game-sharing. The ability to activate multiple systems is to allow households the freedom to use the same software on multiple systems, not to allow users to give their PSN credentials to their friends so they can play a piece of software at no cost to them.
The Playstation Network License Agreement:
"GRANT OF LICENSE. The Software is licensed to you, not sold. After the authorized release date and upon installation of the Software, Licensor grants to you a limited, non-exclusive license to use the Software for personal use on your PlayStation® system (e.g., PlayStation®4 system, PlayStation®3 system, PlayStation®Vita system, PSP® (PlayStation®Portable) system and all other current and future PlayStation® systems). ... This license does not include the right to, and you agree not to (a) rent, lease or sublicense the Software or make it available on a network to other users ..."
http://www.playstation.com/en-us/legal/softwarelicense/
Additionally, under the Terms of Service users agree to:
"8. LICENSE RESTRICTIONS AND CONDITIONS : Except as stated in this Agreement, all content and software provided through SEN First Party Services are licensed non-exclusively and revocably to you, your children and children for whom you are a legal guardian (collectively for purposes of this section, "You" or "Your"), solely for Your personal, private, non-transferable, non-commercial, limited use on a limited number of Authorized Devices in the country in which your account is registered."
http://www.sonyentertainmentnetwork.com/terms-of-service/
So, it's pretty apparent that game-sharing isn't in-line with the software license agreement or the terms of service, and that is what makes it piracy.
Now, PS4 has the same restrictions that the PS3 has, but has an additional component of having to assign a PS4 as a "primary" PS4. I haven't played around with this personally since I've just been using remote play, my vita, and a Playstation TV to share my PS4 functionality around my house. I assume only the primary PS4 would be able to download the software but then that PS4 could be made secondary and it should still be able to still play the game.
Pertaining to the ESO client, I believe users will be able to download the software to another PS4, as mentioned above, but each user account still needs to have a specific software key associated with it and I don't think the OP and his friend will be able to create two accounts with one software key.
My straightforward advice from one adult to what I should be able to assume is another adult (rated M and all)... just be an adult about it, pony up the $60, support the game and don't try to cheat ZOS or Sony out of money that you should be rightfully giving them.
That is a COMPLETELY different thing @NewBlacksmurf. That allows a player, playing on another PS4, to play the game you are playing at the time you are playing it. It's kind of like remote play and the game isn't being downloaded on the friends PS4, it's being streamed.
They call it "Share Play" and it's actually a pretty cool feature, and it's pretty new.
liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »The original idea of the features that allow "game-sharing" was to allow a person or household who has multiple systems the ability to download one game on as many as five different consoles, by having up to 5 'active' consoles attached to their account. Because of this, players were swapping their PSN accounts with other players, activating their PS3s under different PSN IDs and downloading other's games. Thus, game-sharing was born.
This policy was changed back in 2011 to only allow 2 active PS3s to be associated with a PSN-ID at a time. There was never any "official" reason for this change. It just happened, but we all know it was to cut down on game-sharing. The ability to activate multiple systems is to allow households the freedom to use the same software on multiple systems, not to allow users to give their PSN credentials to their friends so they can play a piece of software at no cost to them.
The Playstation Network License Agreement:
"GRANT OF LICENSE. The Software is licensed to you, not sold. After the authorized release date and upon installation of the Software, Licensor grants to you a limited, non-exclusive license to use the Software for personal use on your PlayStation® system (e.g., PlayStation®4 system, PlayStation®3 system, PlayStation®Vita system, PSP® (PlayStation®Portable) system and all other current and future PlayStation® systems). ... This license does not include the right to, and you agree not to (a) rent, lease or sublicense the Software or make it available on a network to other users ..."
http://www.playstation.com/en-us/legal/softwarelicense/
Additionally, under the Terms of Service users agree to:
"8. LICENSE RESTRICTIONS AND CONDITIONS : Except as stated in this Agreement, all content and software provided through SEN First Party Services are licensed non-exclusively and revocably to you, your children and children for whom you are a legal guardian (collectively for purposes of this section, "You" or "Your"), solely for Your personal, private, non-transferable, non-commercial, limited use on a limited number of Authorized Devices in the country in which your account is registered."
http://www.sonyentertainmentnetwork.com/terms-of-service/
So, it's pretty apparent that game-sharing isn't in-line with the software license agreement or the terms of service, and that is what makes it piracy.
Now, PS4 has the same restrictions that the PS3 has, but has an additional component of having to assign a PS4 as a "primary" PS4. I haven't played around with this personally since I've just been using remote play, my vita, and a Playstation TV to share my PS4 functionality around my house. I assume only the primary PS4 would be able to download the software but then that PS4 could be made secondary and it should still be able to still play the game.
Pertaining to the ESO client, I believe users will be able to download the software to another PS4, as mentioned above, but each user account still needs to have a specific software key associated with it and I don't think the OP and his friend will be able to create two accounts with one software key.
My straightforward advice from one adult to what I should be able to assume is another adult (rated M and all)... just be an adult about it, pony up the $60, support the game and don't try to cheat ZOS or Sony out of money that you should be rightfully giving them.
Anyone signed in as me can download the game. The catch is if your not the primary you have to be signed into my account and be online to play the game. So at most only 2 people can use the game at once. One person on the primary under a diffrent PSN account from mine and one signed into my account with an active internet connection.
Between the two of us we around £1200 plus PS+ fees.
I am signing in from a playstation that isn't mine to play my games. The other person is using my playstation to play games that are on it. Where not doing anything wrong.
NewBlacksmurf wrote: »That is a COMPLETELY different thing @NewBlacksmurf. That allows a player, playing on another PS4, to play the game you are playing at the time you are playing it. It's kind of like remote play and the game isn't being downloaded on the friends PS4, it's being streamed.
They call it "Share Play" and it's actually a pretty cool feature, and it's pretty new.
Isn't this what the OP is asking?
"Will ESO work the same way as any other ps4 game or will needing an account result in both of us having to buy are own copy?"
Or did I read wrong....Title of the post "PS4 game sharing"
NewBlacksmurf wrote: »That is a COMPLETELY different thing @NewBlacksmurf. That allows a player, playing on another PS4, to play the game you are playing at the time you are playing it. It's kind of like remote play and the game isn't being downloaded on the friends PS4, it's being streamed.
They call it "Share Play" and it's actually a pretty cool feature, and it's pretty new.
Isn't this what the OP is asking?
"Will ESO work the same way as any other ps4 game or will needing an account result in both of us having to buy are own copy?"
Or did I read wrong....Title of the post "PS4 game sharing"
He's talking about using his account to log into another person's PS4 to download digital software using his account. He can keep his account associated with that PS4 and that PS4 can play that game.
So lets say you own a PS4 and you download... Farcry 4 digitally. You come over my house, sign onto my PS4 with your PSN account, go to your download list and download Farcry 4 on my PS4. Then you go home and I can then log into my PSN account and play your copy of Farcry 4 on my PS4 and you can still play your copy of Farcry 4 on your PS4 also.
One purchase... two people have "copies". This feature is intended (as outlined in the TOS) for an individual and their dependents (I.E. household), but people use it to share games.
If you kept your password "remembered" on my PS4, I could go into your PSN account whenever I wanted, go to your download list, and download any game you've bought because I am, at that point, acting AS you. If I put my PSN credentials on your PS4, you could do the same with what I have purchased.
This is what the OP is doing. You can tell because he references being able to do this on the PS3 and PS3 doesn't have the "Share Play" function you mentioned before.
Now, does ESO work with Share Play? I dunno! I'd love to find out though. But that's an entirely different question.
NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »That is a COMPLETELY different thing @NewBlacksmurf. That allows a player, playing on another PS4, to play the game you are playing at the time you are playing it. It's kind of like remote play and the game isn't being downloaded on the friends PS4, it's being streamed.
They call it "Share Play" and it's actually a pretty cool feature, and it's pretty new.
Isn't this what the OP is asking?
"Will ESO work the same way as any other ps4 game or will needing an account result in both of us having to buy are own copy?"
Or did I read wrong....Title of the post "PS4 game sharing"
He's talking about using his account to log into another person's PS4 to download digital software using his account. He can keep his account associated with that PS4 and that PS4 can play that game.
So lets say you own a PS4 and you download... Farcry 4 digitally. You come over my house, sign onto my PS4 with your PSN account, go to your download list and download Farcry 4 on my PS4. Then you go home and I can then log into my PSN account and play your copy of Farcry 4 on my PS4 and you can still play your copy of Farcry 4 on your PS4 also.
One purchase... two people have "copies". This feature is intended (as outlined in the TOS) for an individual and their dependents (I.E. household), but people use it to share games.
If you kept your password "remembered" on my PS4, I could go into your PSN account whenever I wanted, go to your download list, and download any game you've bought because I am, at that point, acting AS you. If I put my PSN credentials on your PS4, you could do the same with what I have purchased.
This is what the OP is doing. You can tell because he references being able to do this on the PS3 and PS3 doesn't have the "Share Play" function you mentioned before.
Now, does ESO work with Share Play? I dunno! I'd love to find out though. But that's an entirely different question.
So not my interpretation. Gotcha.
It sounds like the Xbox one sharing feature where anyone can play my Xbox one games and xbl gold if any Xbox user signs into the console designated as my home Xbox.
If it's by design...not sure it's wrong. Just saying
liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »Go quote me saying it's expensive. Oh wait you can't because I didn't.
liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »it's expensive
How do people have a £300+ console and yet forking out for a game creates moths from wallets??
a lot of people in this new gen are mis understanding what game share is.Game sharing is piracy.