NB siphoning skills

teladoy

I saw many of the skills can be morphed to lifesteal and I wanted to know if the heals are good or not. My idea was try to create a build with heavy armor and lifesteal to go in cyrodiil.

Anyone has experience with this tree?

lihentian

teladoy wrote: »

I saw many of the skills can be morphed to lifesteal and I wanted to know if the heals are good or not. My idea was try to create a build with heavy armor and lifesteal to go in cyrodiil.

Anyone has experience with this tree?

i think there are two of them.. mostly..

first one is siphon, it heal for about 500? or maybe a little bit more. it is a hot. the healing part isn't that great

the second one is on assassin tree, the mark~~ when target slain you are heal for 50% of your max helath... it heal great.. if you are not fighting boss...

teladoy

mmm yes but no, there are more skills you can morph that heal all of you, sap essense and leeching strikes.

Shunravi

Strife- deals flat damage then applies a heal over time effect based on the damage done. one morph will grant minor vitality for more incoming heals. the other morph will heal 2 allies.

Agony- its a long duration stun. it sucks.

Cripple- damage over time. pretty strong.

Siphoning Strikes- restores magica and stamina on weapon attack, has a chance to restore 15% resources on hit . One morph will add a %life leach on weapon attack. the other will give the restore chances and proc chance to all attacks.

Drain Power. boosts your damage and deals aoe damage. one morph uses stamina. the other heals you based on how many targets you hit.

teladoy

What do you want me to say?

I readed the description already, also I know people like more siphoning attacks, but if i want more healing then leeching strikes would be the option for me.

What I want to know is if the healings are decent, I mean, if it the tree is good, balanced. I know my damage goes down, but I accept the price if from the other side the healing compensate, because if they are very bad and my damage is gonna be very bad also, then not.

My curiosity is if someone test this tree and can give me a further opinion.

Endurance

- HP Leech if you solo bossses alot (procs using regular attack, but works great after you stun the target)

- Magicka/Stam Leech if you AoE alot and have a hard time keeping up those bars

nothing2591

All nightblade class heals are completly useless in pvp. you have 2 options, 1. use restostaff as your second wep or 2. use 2hand build with rally and later on when you have 100hours played and have unlocked assault lvl 10 you can use vigor aswell. but before that goodluck killing any class built for sustain

Shunravi

teladoy wrote: »

What do you want me to say?

I readed the description already, also I know people like more siphoning attacks, but if i want more healing then leeching strikes would be the option for me.

What I want to know is if the healings are decent, I mean, if it the tree is good, balanced. I know my damage goes down, but I accept the price if from the other side the healing compensate, because if they are very bad and my damage is gonna be very bad also, then not.

My curiosity is if someone test this tree and can give me a further opinion.

Aye, sorry

I was starting VDSA, and was really just responding to the other guy not the OP... a bit distracted

The leaching strikes heal is.... ok. I never really felt it was that good next to the better sustain from siphoning attacks. Siphoning Attacks + sap essence is amazing in AOE.

it all depends on how many light/heavy attacks you have in your rotation. Too few, and it wont be worthwhile when incoming damage is taken into account. even then...

its really just for a tank build.

teladoy

@nothing2591
Thanks that's essentially what I wanted to know. So NB self healing are bad, in PvP I will not sustain myself if someone dps me right?


Thanks I'm disappointed I had the hope siphoning was a good tree...

AllPlayAndNoWork

My swallow soul heals for 1k to 2.2k a tick (5xHealer set and 5xTwilight set 2xTorug set Sword/Board). Restro back up.
And will do between 3k-6k damage to an opponent.

1v1 I can stay alive against just about anyone. Also my magicka regen tick is twice the cost of my Swallow Soul cost.

teladoy

Ok I think the best is trying it by myself...

starkerealm

Shunravi wrote: »

its really just for a tank build.

Yeah, most of the siphoning tree really shines for tanks. Soul Shred is a good quick AOE stun for dealing with adds, and the heal is nice. Siphoning Attacks applies too much of a damage debuff for it to make sense for a DPS. Drain Power is a pretty good, if unconventional damage mitigation option. Though I don't think I've used it since 1.6 hit. Strife is just permanently useful, it's a quick ranged attack, Swallow Soul give it some additional utility by boosting all your received healing.

Pre 1.6 it was the tank tree for NBs. Now... Shadow's been revised to make it fairly attractive, and Mark Target looks like a decent include for nearly any NB. So there's more flexibility on that front.

But, the short version is; the Siphon tree will boost your survivability. Building into it will make for a really good tank. But, with the kind of numbers that get tossed around in Cyrodiil, it won't do it enough for it to matter.

teladoy

My idea is create a dual wield, heavy armor, life steal, vampire, dunmer.

But if the life steal sucks...

starkerealm

teladoy wrote: »

My idea is create a dual wield, heavy armor, life steal, vampire, dunmer.

But if the life steal sucks...

Yeah, not for Cyrodiil. Dual Wield is a pretty popular trash set choice for tanking. Though, vampire tanking is... let's call it "temperamental." It's a lot less forgiving than tanking for non-vamps. Not more difficult, per say. But mistakes will wreck you.

Vamp was the dominant meta in Cyrodiil for a long time. And, they paid a pretty hefty price in nerfs as a result. You can take one there, but you're signing up for a world of hurt.

teladoy

I don't want exactly tank, I want life steal and sustain... I don't want to use shield.

Is not the same guys...

Samadhi

Siphoning is my favourite Nightblade tree.

If you want to make good use of them though, you are best off in Light Armour and using a Restoration staff for burst heal; even on a full Magicka build the effects of the lifesteal skills are not entirely sufficient on their own.

There was a point before 1.6 where it was quite easy to use a Sword and Shield with Sap Essence + Ultimate spam to Ambush into the middle of groups and Sap spam for ages killing disorganized groups off.
Viability since the armour changes is not so high.

On a Heavy Armour build in current patch, it is viable to make a Sap-tank but turning it into a killing machine is a bit less viable.
The Siphoning Attacks morph that has a chance to proc on all attacks works to maintain Stamina and Magicka without having the regen afforded by being in either Light or Medium, but overall damage output is pretty bad. Heavy does not get the attack bonuses of the other two armours, and Siphoning Attacks really hits the Weapon Damage and Spell Damage pools hard with no caps.

Still working on tweaking a Heavy Armour build for my Nightblade (already have new Light and Medium builds that meet my satisfaction with the new system), but most of my old setups have become less than satisfactory, so it is going to take me something new and it's conflicting with my laziness.

Cody

assassins blade can be morphed to heal you for 17-20% of your max health.

mark target heals you for about 30-50% of your max health; both of these require that the target be killed.... making them non-reliable in combat.

strife is an HoT that heals for 25% of the damage inflicted every 2 seconds for 10 seconds. not very useful in my opinion.

teladoy

Ok so the effects of the lifesteal skills are not entirely sufficient on their own... what a pity I had the hope oto create a lifesteal combat style NB :_(

Gilvoth

nothing2591 wrote: »

All nightblade class heals are completly useless in pvp. you have 2 options, 1. use restostaff as your second wep or 2. use 2hand build with rally and later on when you have 100hours played and have unlocked assault lvl 10 you can use vigor aswell. but before that goodluck killing any class built for sustain

this^

Gilvoth

teladoy wrote: »

Ok so the effects of the lifesteal skills are not entirely sufficient on their own... what a pity I had the hope oto create a lifesteal combat style NB :_(

if your a dragonight tho you can cast "dragonsblood" that skill can be spamed and instantly heals you to full health as a dragonight. the sorcerers also have somthing similar to that with thier shield spaming, just like the templars can insta heal themselves also.
but us nightblades do not have anything like that at all.
i dont know why the developers saw fit to weaken the nightblade class and take away thier damage and survivability and also thier sneak speeds but obviously it was for a reason that none of us can see.

WillhelmBlack

Argonians are ok at it. Get some decent heavy armour (Unassailable?) that adds more healing taken and you should be ok with just potions and potion buffing jewellry.

Rally and Vigor are for stam builds, they scale off weapon power and max stam I think so I wouldn't go for those.

timborggrenlarsenb16_ESO

teladoy wrote: »

I saw many of the skills can be morphed to lifesteal and I wanted to know if the heals are good or not. My idea was try to create a build with heavy armor and lifesteal to go in cyrodiil.

Anyone has experience with this tree?

Its not worth it anless you are running in groups with all the backup that you need, and stay away from the HA go LA for samp, the HA is a joke.
Same goes for pve.

teladoy

I was reading all answer and I appreciate all, but I don't want to confuse the things.

People here confuses be a tank, take potions and use resto staff with lifesteal.

If I would like to be a tank I would ask advices to mitigate damage and healing, if I would like to be healer then healing skills, but! I want to lifesteal!!

The main idea is not heal, is steal the health from enemy and make it yours.

I know that alone is impossible, but I don't want a resto staff, I don't want a shield.

NB have skills to lifesteal, morphs to heal and passives to build ultimate points more faster, all this plus combinated with vampire!

If you read well all the siphoning skill, passive, and vampire skills you would understand what I mean, you would understand why I want to use dual welding and leeching strikes for example, and devouring swarm.

Cody

the lack of reliable self heals is why the NB is a little weaker than the other 3 classes. Its why you will find many NBs using a restoration staff.

timborggrenlarsenb16_ESO

teladoy wrote: »

I was reading all answer and I appreciate all, but I don't want to confuse the things.

People here confuses be a tank, take potions and use resto staff with lifesteal.

If I would like to be a tank I would ask advices to mitigate damage and healing, if I would like to be healer then healing skills, but! I want to lifesteal!!

The main idea is not heal, is steal the health from enemy and make it yours.

I know that alone is impossible, but I don't want a resto staff, I don't want a shield.

NB have skills to lifesteal, morphs to heal and passives to build ultimate points more faster, all this plus combinated with vampire!

If you read well all the siphoning skill, passive, and vampire skills you would understand what I mean, you would understand why I want to use dual welding and leeching strikes for example, and devouring swarm.

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I know that you mean, and no its not worth it and its to weak to keep u a life on pure as a ShadowKight setup. The game dont offer that, only with use of Sap essence, and on trash mobs. Sorry i am in the same boat.Been trying to get around the lifedraining / vamp only build sense beta

teladoy

Ah I'm sorry also... no skill is lifesteal, I was the confused, all of them do damage and heal by the damage done or enemies hit... xD

teladoy

@timborggrenlarsenb16_ESO

More or less how do you see this build?

The second bar I did very quick, but the first one is the one I was working to create my lifesteal NB.

http://www.esohead.com/calculator/skills#1.mcmztg00000008GFlT8IPbk8jKvQ8IPSd8IPUI8jKEL8IPbk8injt8jKvQ8IrxW8GFts8jKEL8L7rcdoQr6MdoQF6MdoQC8T7JMrqAi6MrqAZ6MrqAI6MrqAD6crqLw8t7rrsg16LsgZ8g7CrsXt6rsXy6Mippo6MipL46Mippq8C7Drzqu6Lzqq6Lzqa6MGFWc6MGFWi6MGFWA6MGFWn8D7JLzdm6LzdM6Lzdc6rbMz6MIrEf6MIsaM6MIrv36MIrEh8F7Jrbut6LzrJ6LzrO6MIPAT6MIPAv6MIPAh6Lbux6MIPNU8Y7sLfJN6rfJI6rfJu6MjKBj6MjFYi6zjFYd6MjFYh6zjFYf6zjFYb8zk7pzvKVv6cvKVB6cvKVD6cvKVO8zf7zzNbo8zu7zzHfYE6zHfZd8zG7zzHQ3F8zI7zzJIoX6zJIkL8zN7zzJZcY8zA7zzKpUN8zL7zzK4EX

Can you share what you tried with me?

**** sorry I post double.

timborggrenlarsenb16_ESO

teladoy wrote: »

@timborggrenlarsenb16_ESO

More or less how do you see this build?

The second bar I did very quick, but the first one is the one I was working to create my lifesteal NB.

http://www.esohead.com/calculator/skills#1.mcmztg00000008GFlT8IPbk8jKvQ8IPSd8IPUI8jKEL8IPbk8injt8jKvQ8IrxW8GFts8jKEL8L7rcdoQr6MdoQF6MdoQC8T7JMrqAi6MrqAZ6MrqAI6MrqAD6crqLw8t7rrsg16LsgZ8g7CrsXt6rsXy6Mippo6MipL46Mippq8C7Drzqu6Lzqq6Lzqa6MGFWc6MGFWi6MGFWA6MGFWn8D7JLzdm6LzdM6Lzdc6rbMz6MIrEf6MIsaM6MIrv36MIrEh8F7Jrbut6LzrJ6LzrO6MIPAT6MIPAv6MIPAh6Lbux6MIPNU8Y7sLfJN6rfJI6rfJu6MjKBj6MjFYi6zjFYd6MjFYh6zjFYf6zjFYb8zk7pzvKVv6cvKVB6cvKVD6cvKVO8zf7zzNbo8zu7zzHfYE6zHfZd8zG7zzHQ3F8zI7zzJIoX6zJIkL8zN7zzJZcY8zA7zzKpUN8zL7zzK4EX

Can you share what you tried with me?

**** sorry I post double.

Just a few fast setup's, tryed millions

+ Vampires kiss(armor - plate) life drain on wep attaks.

First link: http://www.esohead.com/calculator/skills#1.mczzyt9k8GHau8IPbk8If0n8IPSd8IPU48jKEL8IryZ8w2ld8jKvQ8IrtP8IPU48jKEL8y7MLR3r8t7mLsgW6LsgZ8C7xLzqq6LzqI8D7GLzdM6Lzdm6LzdR6Lzds8F7JLzrJ6Lbux6Lbut8Y7VrfJI6LfJN8zc7zzgeXm8zk7068zf7zzNbo8zu7zzHfYE6zHfZd8zG7zzHQ3F8zI7zzJIoX6zJIkL8zN7zzJZcY8zA7zzKpUN8zL7zzK4EX

1/S Framing mass mobs(pve)
DW singel target (pvp)

2nd link:
http://www.esohead.com/calculator/skills#1.mczzgt9k8GHau8innU8IPbk8IrtP8IPU48A4uT85oy7MLR3r8t7mLsgW6LsgZ8g7CrsXt8C7xrzqa6Lzqq6LzqI8D7GLzdM6Lzdm6LzdR6Lzds8F7JLzrJ6Lbux6Lbut8O7aLkP8Y7VrfJI6LfJN8zc7zzgeXm8zk7068zf7zzNbo8zu7zzHfYE6zHfZd8zG7zzHQ3F8zI7zzJIoX6zJIkL8zN7zzJZcY8zA7zzKpUN8zL7zzK4EX

Bow: Range build(pvp) Meteor only becuse "lifedran setup" dont have range and becuse its OF and anyone are using it.

timborggrenlarsenb16_ESO

But now its staff, and LA as most others(And magician build) I am afraid:(

1. Farming
2. Pvp
http://www.esohead.com/calculator/skills#1.mczzvv9k8hesE8IPbk8heqM8IPSd8IPU48Ir3D8GFlT8IryZ8heqM8IPbk8IPU48jKEL8v7CLanS6LanX8C7mLzqq8D7bLzdM6LzdR8F7JLzrJ6Lbux6Lbut8Y7VLfJN8zc7zzgeXm8zf7zzNbo8zu7zzHfYE6zHfZd8zG7zzHQ3F8zI7zzJIoX6zJIkL8zN7zzJZcY8zA7zzKpUN8zL7zzK4EX

Shunravi

teladoy wrote: »

Ok so the effects of the lifesteal skills are not entirely sufficient on their own... what a pity I had the hope oto create a lifesteal combat style NB :_(

i did too